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Clemson Student Gov. "Pledge of Allegiance" Sitting Protest
Sep 27, 2017, 5:34 PM
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https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxji6kkWGEM
"More than 10 student senators on Clemson University’s student government sat in protest during the Pledge of Allegiance at a Monday session.
According to a video of the meeting obtained by Campus Reform, a cohort of senators is seen taking a seat just prior to the Pledge of Allegiance, though most senators remained standing.
Additionally, screenshots of the Clemson Undergraduate Student Government (CUSG) Senate’s GroupMe chat, provided to Campus Reform by a CUSG senator, reveal that the protest was planned.
“These divisive comments are the antithesis of what America is all about. We are not a nation that ostracizes their own simply due to a difference of opinion,” CUSG senator Willie Webb wrote in the chat, referring to President Trump’s controversial comments on the protests sweeping the NFL.
Webb went on to declare that he and “many other senators will sit” in order to “show that we stand with our fellow Americans that choose to respectfully exercise their rights as an American citizen,” even encouraging “any and all to join” them.
During the meeting itself, CUSG Vice-President Jaren Stewart, who also sat during the pledge, took time out to explain his decision.
“I’d like to talk about why I decided to sit down for the Pledge of Allegiance. Again, this was like, on my own accord, but like, on a national scale, like, this is a trend that’s extremely new,” he explained.
“And myself, this is for me, sitting down for the pledge, is that actively changing it? For me, no. But, I am bringing light to an issue that plagues us day in and day out,” Stewart continued, later asking attendees if they were aware “that Clemson’s 83 percent white? Like, but do you think about it when you put on your shoes and when you go out to eat lunch?”
“Our racial divide is ingrained and it’s very real. But that does not mean it’s not changeable,” Stewart concluded.
Another senator, who spoke with Campus Reform on the condition of anonymity, objected to the protest, stating that “refusal to participate in the Pledge of Allegiance isn’t a peaceful protest of discrimination in our country,” but rather “a sign of disrespect to the values that make this country great.
“They are instead undermining the principles of unity and a prosperous republic,” the anonymous senator continued. “To protest the Pledge means to further divide the country while simultaneously attempting to stand on a platform of toleration and acceptance.”
Campus Reform reached out to CUSG Vice-President Jaren Stewart and Student Senator Willie Webb, but did not receive any responses in time for publication."
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Legend [15492]
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Campus Reform regularly runs down Clemson
Sep 27, 2017, 5:42 PM
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They're one of the ones that went after Dabo on Religion.
That is a far-right website and if you believe anything it says you are hopelessly confused.
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I think we already know your last statement is true.
Sep 27, 2017, 6:14 PM
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Aren't there rules against trolling on Tigernet?
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Rock Defender [53]
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Campus Reform did NOT "run down Dabo"
Sep 27, 2017, 7:07 PM
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They were very supportive of Dabo being vocal about his faith and openly supported it. I know because I was one of the editors of Clemson's division of Campus Reform along with Mitchell Gunter when it went down. Campus Reform is a pro-Conservative, pro-Republican, pro-American college media outlet run by college students from across the US.
It was an independent SJW group, akin to the ACLU, out in California that penned a letter against Dabo advertising his faith.
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they are against freedom of speech so therefore they are un American...
Sep 28, 2017, 9:53 AM
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They need to go back to Russia from where they came from
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Re: Campus Reform did NOT "run down Dabo"
Sep 28, 2017, 5:43 PM
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Campus Reform is an alt-right website that routinely targets Clemson. It has zero credibility because it sensationalizes the mundane and demonizes Clemson University.
Get used to not being very important.
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Re: Clemson Student Gov. "Pledge of Allegiance" Sitting Protest
Sep 27, 2017, 5:50 PM
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I won't give this any time for further comment
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I guess they're all Jehovah's Witnesses now.***
Sep 27, 2017, 6:06 PM
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Re: Clemson Student Gov. "Pledge of Allegiance" Sitting Protest
Sep 27, 2017, 6:25 PM
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What a dumb ###. I guess he doesn't know that 77% of Americans are white. Yes Clemson is slightly more than 77% white, but I bet SC State is mostly non-white. For me, who cares, except the dumb snowflakes.
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Re: Clemson Student Gov. "Pledge of Allegiance" Sitting Protest
Sep 27, 2017, 6:31 PM
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Once again Mitchell you are writing articles and posting them with the intent to incite some controversy on the Clemson campus. You are everything that is wrong with the "media" and with your generation. You carelessly write articles that disparage our university. What do you expect to gain? A few likes? Have your ego stroked because hopefully it will catch on in the national news - although the majority of what you write are lies and sensationalized that it is laughable to those of us with an education higher than a GED. Hopefully, at some point soon, you mature, grow up, and most importantly gain some integrity before graduating and continuing to represent our university.
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Re: Clemson Student Gov. "Pledge of Allegiance" Sitting Protest
Sep 27, 2017, 8:35 PM
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I don't normally respond to comments like this, but yours was so moronic that I'll make an exception.
You've accused me of writing lies, but I doubt you can point to a single reporting error considering my articles are 100% factual--otherwise, national programs wouldn't pick them up. C'mon, that's just common sense, buddy.
You say I'm everything "wrong with media," and yet my articles have already instituted valuable reforms on campus, like training RAs on the First Amendment to avoid the infringement of student rights.
You say I lack integrity, but again, my articles are 100% factual, so where does that place you? You are angry because of factual news articles. Please continue your caterwauling, it's hilarious.
Finally, I'm about to graduate Clemson with a degree in Civil Engineering, so your claim to be more highly educated than me is pretentious at best.
Cheers!
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Yeah right, I am reminded of your..
Sep 28, 2017, 7:59 AM
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"Heterosexual Questionnaire" Article which is nothing more than a biased attempt to attack the University by making it seem like that was a advocacy for gays instead of an actual course plan for sociology which many schools are using. Actual course plan:
"Explain to the group that, when gay, lesbian, and bisexual youth are beginning to 'come out,' they are often asked questions that are nearly impossible to answer. In order to help participants understand the heterosexist bias* in our culture, you will ask them to grapple with these same questions in regard to heterosexuality.
Say that you will give them each a handout. They will break up into groups of four or five and try to come up with answers. Say that you want them to try to answer each question as well as to react to the questions as a whole. Irrespective of each participant's sexual orientation, everyone should attempt to answer as though he/she is heterosexual.
After about 10 minutes, ask everyone to reassemble in the large group. Ask the participants the Discussion Questions below.
Discussion Questions:
Did you find the questions hard to answer? Were some harder than others? Which? What, specifically, was so difficult?
How did the questions make you feel?
What does it say about our society that gay, lesbian, and bisexual youth are asked similar questions?
What can you do in the future if you hear someone asking such questions?"
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Re: Yeah right, I am reminded of your..
Sep 28, 2017, 8:31 AM
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My articles don't contain opinion or editorializing. They are literally just quotes and factual events.
Posting articles that shine a light on progressive professors who play politics on campus does not equate to attacking the university. The very fact that you think this reveals that you are blindly "pro-university." I'm pro-Clemson, the Clemson that stands for free expression and the values that make this country great.
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Orange Blooded [2281]
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Right !!!! Perhaps you need to take a journalism course..
Sep 28, 2017, 9:08 AM
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to find out what " opinion or editorializing" means!!! From that same article:
"Photos of the questionnaire, provided to Campus Reform by a Criminal Justice student who wishes to remain anonymous, reveal that it is filled with loaded questions apparently designed to make students feel guilty or uncertain about their preference for members of the opposite sex."
That is definitely a PERSONAL opinion and editorializing. And without checking to see what the survey meant in relation to the class which is called "Sociology of Sex and Gender". You are not posting journalism, you are posting from your own personal agenda and making your University look bad with half-facts and unnamed sources. Way too many of your articles end with "Campus Reform reached out to 'so-and-so' but did not receive a response in time for publication" to really make me believe you gave them proper time to reply. I view you as a "gadfly" in training, not a journalist.
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Re: Clemson Student Gov. "Pledge of Allegiance" Sitting Protest
Sep 28, 2017, 10:57 AM
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The author is not inciting any controversy. He is only responding to the divisive nature of the "protest," which by its very nature is pure DISRESPECT for the entire country, and not related to any specific complaint. One cannot blame the author (nor Trump) for the actions started by Kapaernick (when Obama, not Trump, was President), who sides with the communist rebel Che Guevera. This is not the ideal that Americans should strive to emulate. The DISRESPECT is a useless mechanism to accomplish change. The DISRESPECT is indisputable. The DISRESPECT is unwarranted and misplaced. The comment about Clemson being 83% white is completely without merit as it appears to advocate favoritism (discrimination, racism) based on the color of skin, which is illegal and unethical. Furthermore, it promotes a culture of aimed ONLY at cultural diversity, not at academic excellence. That is not the primary purpose of education. I would suggest real action and a direct correlation of a respectful protest for specific complaints with the protest appropriately aimed at the specific complaint instead of misdirected and antagonistic tactics that are counterproductive. I would hope that these students who participated will gain some insight before they graduate and realize their mistakes. That is the purpose of education...not to repeat the same mistake again.
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Orange Blooded [2281]
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Right!!!! Che Guevera, that is a new one!..
Sep 28, 2017, 5:59 PM
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perhaps you can post something where Kapaernick has spoken favorably about Che Guevera? I know he wore a shirt with Castro and Malcolm X on it, but wearing a shirt is not necessarily an endorsement of anything.
Now the bases for your arguments:
(1)"The author is not inciting any controversy." Really? Every article I have seen by the author incites controversy, and all the ones about Clemson cast the University in a bad light as having an anarchistic student government, ultra left-wing professors, a gay lobby with power far beyond reality, an Antifa group that is outrageously powerful(but seems to accomplish nothing), and a weak administration. Perhaps you could point me to an article where he said something GOOD about Clemson? I seem to have missed any of those!
(2)I have already pointed out the obvious problems with his inserting "opinion and editorializing" in his article on "Heterosexual Questionnaire" without bothering to check out the facts which would have explained it and creating a spurious conclusion to fit his agenda. That, and the way too many of his articles ending with "Campus Reform reached out to 'so-and-so' but did not receive a response in time for publication" to really make me believe he gave them proper time to reply, and too many "anonymous sources" that appear in so many of his articles that disagree but are afraid to be on the record. Those should be a "red flag" to anyone viewing serious journalism.
(3)Your statement: "The DISRESPECT is a useless mechanism to accomplish change." I can only hope you didn't take an American History course with that statement. This country is founded on disrespect and it has CHANGED many things. The American Revolution was caused by DISRESPECT of English Laws. Disrespect by Northerners of the Fugitive Slave Act was one of the major causes of the Civil War. Disrespect of Jim Crow and Segregation laws caused the Civil Rights Movement. Disrespect of authority helped end Vietnam and reveal the underhanded dealings of "Watergate".
(4)Your statement:" "I would suggest real action and a direct correlation of a respectful protest for specific complaints with the protest appropriately aimed at the specific complaint instead of misdirected and antagonistic tactics that are counterproductive." This was a PEACEFUL form of protest, certainly not like Ferguson or Charlottesville therefore "antagonistic" seems way over the top as a description of what happened here. Basically a bunch of young people stayed seated. They didn't threaten people; they didn't damage property. As protests go, this is very mild.
In fact I would suggest that YOUR author has done far more damage to Clemson by broadcasting this to "social media"! My Two Cents!
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Not to give any support/nonsupport to this article
Sep 27, 2017, 6:36 PM
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I would like to point out that I find it funny they all stood for the invocation.
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Re: Clemson Student Gov. "Pledge of Allegiance" Sitting Protest
Sep 27, 2017, 8:28 PM
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the culture war is very real and active on one side of the matter........ will be nice if everyone else gets woke to what is really going on.
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Re: Clemson Student Gov. "Pledge of Allegiance" Sitting Protest
Sep 27, 2017, 8:38 PM
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Someone gets it.
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Dumbassesss
Sep 27, 2017, 8:40 PM
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Puting it litely.
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Re: Clemson Student Gov. "Pledge of Allegiance" Sitting Protest
Sep 27, 2017, 10:10 PM
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I don't understand your end game here. Do you believe Clemson, my alma mater, the school you hope to graduate soon, should be an even split amongst all ethnicities. So if 80% of the applicants where white and a portion of other races were less qualified based on the criterior used for acceptance, CU should choose a particular demographic b/c of the color of their skin? To make it more fair? Are you protesting that our football team is majority African American or that on that there are too many Kenyans on the long distance run team? Perhaps less whites on the swim team?
If you stop dividing everyone, there would be less divisiveness, however you are to young or too ignorant to understand how the world works outside your bubble... I am almost disappointing that I even responded to this, don't bother replying, I am not going to come back and read it...
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I bet no one sits if I bring my friends to this meeting
Sep 27, 2017, 10:57 PM
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Also, you'd be a great member of the NY Times. You might should give them a call.
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Re: I bet no one sits if I bring my friends to this meeting
Sep 28, 2017, 8:29 AM
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NYT is super progressive, though
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Orange Blooded [3389]
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Wrong board for this topic.
Sep 28, 2017, 12:19 AM
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Also, don't care about the content.
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Re: Wrong board for this topic.
Sep 28, 2017, 11:23 AM
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Actually, it was the correct board, and honestly who cares about your opinion?
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Orange Blooded [3389]
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That must be why mods moved it to P&R.***
Sep 29, 2017, 10:14 AM
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6 letters...
Sep 28, 2017, 1:09 AM
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Losers
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I didn't even know Clemson had a Student Gov.
Sep 28, 2017, 8:12 AM
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Oh well... back to these TPS reports.
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Re: I didn't even know Clemson had a Student Gov.
Sep 28, 2017, 11:23 AM
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You got the memo?
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like, you know, like,,,,good grief***
Sep 28, 2017, 8:22 AM
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I wish my conscience would allow me to feel like a better
Sep 28, 2017, 8:24 AM
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human being simply by doing something as easy as sitting or kneeling "in protest" during a patriotic ceremony.
Unfortunately, I'm just not programmed that way. I have to actually DO something of value and sacrifice to feel better about myself, that I am actually contributing towards humanity. It's a burden.
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So taking your dog for a walk does nothing for you?
Sep 28, 2017, 12:35 PM
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Catching a fish? Sitting on the porch, drinking a beer on a crisp fall day? Giving the cashier back that 10 spot she incorrectly gave you in change? Finding a $20 bill in your coat pocket you left there last year?
No?
Nothing?
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CU Medallion [60229]
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taking a nap does wonders.
Sep 28, 2017, 12:41 PM
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I will say that.
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Re: Let's refer to them as "Kneelers"
Sep 28, 2017, 10:07 AM
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First it was religion
Then it was offensive statues
Now it's the flag
If you haven't yet figured out that there is an organized and well-funded effort to erase our national identity, it is slapping you in the face right now.
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Oculus Spirit [81073]
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Who is funding this conspiracy effort?***
Sep 28, 2017, 12:36 PM
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Re: Who is funding this conspiracy effort?***
Sep 28, 2017, 7:42 PM
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George!
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Re: Let's refer to them as "Kneelers"
Sep 28, 2017, 5:46 PM
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If by 'national identity' you mean religious persecution, slavery and the white supremacy of the Jim Crow era...then they aren't trying to erase it. They are trying to illuminate it for all to see.
You can love America while at the same time recognizing and not repeating it's errors. We are a work in progress, our story hasn't been completely written yet.
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