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Rock Defender [53]
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US Supreme Court
Jan 13, 2022, 9:21 PM
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The US Supreme Court’s conservative-majority court denied corporations the ability to implement vaccine-or-test requirements, but they allowed a vaccine mandate (vaccine-or-test requirements) to stand for medical facilities that take Medicare or Medicaid payments.
Why did they do this?
Does it make sense to deny a healthcare workers right to freedom of choice?
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 13, 2022, 9:28 PM
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They didn’t deny companies. They denied OSHA the power to force companies, in the name of all-mighty Brandon. Get your ### straight.
The companies can still do what they want, and that in essence is why medical workers get the shaft. Based upon the percentage of Medicaid/Medicare those entities receive, they are basically seen as govt contractors. Therefore, the fed govt can impose such; as if they are the “employer”. Another reason single payer is a terrible idea.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 13, 2022, 9:45 PM
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Brandon the NASCAR driver? Wow!
Regarding the health care providers, OK now I understand, just wanted to confirm why it’s OK to deny them their freedoms.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 6:06 AM
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As far as the Medicaid/Medicare vaccine mandate ruling - seems the Supreme Court essentially affirmed that the Feds have the power to attach conditions in order to receive Federal money and contracts.
Kind of reminds me of when the Feds threatened to withhold Federal highway funds to any State that didn't lower the speed limit to 55 in 1974. The Feds went to this same playbook when they wanted to establish a national drinking age of 21.
Now it will be interesting to see what happens the next time a conservative administration stops sending Federal law enforcement dollars (i.e. DOJ grant money) to sanctuary cities because they refuse to uphold Federal immigration law. Seems to me the Supreme Court just affirmed that the Feds can withhold funds if the States are not meeting a criteria that the Feds establish for receiving that money.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 10:01 AM
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 3:35 PM
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This is part of the fundamental transformation the dems want. Think about what happens if the Feds pay for more and more stuff.
If they pay for critical services that you use, the Feds can threaten to deny those critical services unless you (the populous) do what they say/want. The sheep must be compliant or the sheep shall not receive water, power, food, etc.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 13, 2022, 9:50 PM
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 13, 2022, 9:54 PM
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I agree. That was a terrible decision. They will just make the stretch now. Oh…public schools get funding, roads, 5G towers, etc., so if you use any of those you have to get vaxxed.
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I think I agree with the difference, if I understand it
Jan 13, 2022, 11:05 PM
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correctly. Does a governmental agency have the right to tell people what mandates they must then impose on others? No. Does an organization, governmental or otherwise, have the right to set conditions for itself? Yes.
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Yep....
Jan 14, 2022, 9:54 AM
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I think too many of us are infusing what WE would like to see done over what the law allows.
I think SCOTUS got it right on both parts.
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wife will quit nursing if forced to get boosted***
Jan 14, 2022, 3:32 AM
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Why?***
Jan 14, 2022, 9:53 AM
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Re: Why?***
Jan 14, 2022, 10:03 AM
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No, the second Vax put her in the hospital for 3 days
Jan 14, 2022, 10:14 AM
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about 7-8 hours after the second vax she was on the floor and I had to call 911 to get her to the hospital. She was out of work for a couple months. She is much better now but still under doctors care. Heart issues where there were none before.
She is slammed with covid patients at work now. She is a dialysis nurse, they need treatment or they die.
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Would that not qualify as a medical exemption?***
Jan 14, 2022, 10:20 AM
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Yes it would.***
Jan 14, 2022, 2:41 PM
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The ones treating them poorly are the anti-vax crowd***
Jan 14, 2022, 10:51 AM
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Re: The ones treating them poorly are the anti-vax crowd***
Jan 14, 2022, 11:12 AM
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Nah...at this point, given the % of people in the hospital..
Jan 14, 2022, 11:26 AM
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for COVID that are un-vaxxed, the un-vaxxed are crapping all over healthcare workers.
If there was someway they were all mistreated prior to covid...ok...but right now...pretty sure the overwhelming majority of them would say COVID is making their life/work tough.
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Re: Nah...at this point, given the % of people in the hospital..
Jan 14, 2022, 11:31 AM
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Annnd....he's backkkk....
Jan 14, 2022, 1:47 PM
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you'd have to be an idiot to think that the majority of ICU nurses don't wish more people were vaccinated and not hospitalized.
Come on
But you go ahead and share that you know one that doesn't think like that...therefore you must be right.
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Re: Annnd....he's backkkk....
Jan 14, 2022, 2:42 PM
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I'm married to a nurse with decades of experience in the ER in case we're looking for that sort of opinion.
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Maybe...as long as you're don't have an engineering degree***
Jan 14, 2022, 2:50 PM
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you're = you***
Jan 14, 2022, 2:51 PM
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I didn't call people idiots...
Jan 14, 2022, 4:32 PM
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I called people who don't think COVID is the biggest frustration for health care professionals right now - idiots.
But your story about the police not cracking the whip on a prisoner in the hospital might really change my mind about COVID.
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Re: I didn't call people idiots...
Jan 14, 2022, 4:46 PM
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Why do you keep talking about my job?....
Jan 14, 2022, 5:09 PM
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you're really strange like that and many find it very odd about you.
Anyways...yes, I tend to call idiots idiots. Not one of my strong suits.
And you thinking covid has impacted health professions for 4-6 months out of the last 22 months perfectly illustrates your ignorance on the subject.
Another point...you argue with people on here more than most, yet you think me disagreeing with something makes me a know-it-all. I also find that odd.
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Re: Why do you keep talking about my job?....
Jan 14, 2022, 5:20 PM
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It tells me my comments were well placed...
Jan 14, 2022, 6:46 PM
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You think healthcare workers have only been impacted by ICU patients? Again...come on mane.
And oh yeah...boy do I watch the heck out of CNN and MSNBC. You nailed it.
And how did this become a political discussion...oh yeah...you're a one trick pony. Go Team!
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Re: It tells me my comments were well placed...
Jan 14, 2022, 7:06 PM
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You've stopped taking your meds again haven't you?...
Jan 14, 2022, 7:13 PM
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You need help with co pays?
But seriously, you seem to be hard of reading. You keep making points against things I haven't said. It must be entertaining to have your train of logic.
Now...your turn to take a shot at my degree or job or something stupid.
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Re: You've stopped taking your meds again haven't you?...
Jan 14, 2022, 7:24 PM
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Re: Annnd....he's backkkk....
Jan 15, 2022, 10:49 AM
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You seem to think having a person close to you in the healthcare profession makes you an expert on it. It does not. I have far more family members in that profession than you do, likely. I am not an expert on it.
You are experienced in your field. That's it.
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Re: Annnd....he's backkkk....
Jan 15, 2022, 11:32 AM
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Re: Annnd....he's backkkk....
Jan 15, 2022, 4:57 PM
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I don't dispute or disagree with any of that. I'm pointing to your attack on Flow for his profession and not being an expert on the industry when you are in the exact same boat with the exact same expertise. You don't have any more ground to question his knowledge on the matter than he does for you.
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Re: Annnd....he's backkkk....
Jan 15, 2022, 6:00 PM
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The first booster put me down for three days.
Jan 14, 2022, 3:32 PM
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I felt better after three days but honestly, dying would have been easier than going through that again. I've said it before, I'd just as soon get one of covid 19's offsprings than another shot.
I suspect this is about Biden's family getting paid somehow.
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Re: The first booster put me down for three days.
Jan 14, 2022, 3:40 PM
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Now flow,
Jan 15, 2022, 10:28 AM
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you know these politicians back companies in which they have stock. You're not naive.
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So all of the politicians all around the world are...
Jan 15, 2022, 10:36 AM
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Invested together...Trump, Biden, etc...
Makes perfect sense.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 5:37 AM
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Quit and do what? McD's? Good luck with that. Let them quit.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 5:51 AM
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Quit or stay. What difference does the forced booster make? Nothing, other than it’s forced. Power is all that matters, there is no science backing any of this ###.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 6:39 AM
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Outside of people getting vaccinated have anywhere from 4-20x less chance of getting severely sick and dying? You mean that science?
Honestly if she wants to quit good riddance. Being in the medical system is wanting to serve others and protect them, often in situations you don’t agree with, but it’s important for the patient.
If your wife has lost that desire then go do something else. Her choice. Bye Felicia.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 6:45 AM
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She’s not protecting anyone if she gets vaccinated. She still can and will spread it if she’s vaccinated. I had lunch a few days ago with 2 friends. One friend was blasting me and the other because we are not vaccinated even though we’ve both had Covid. Today the vaccinated friend is home sick with Covid the the 2 of us unvaccinated are just fine! So did we somehow asymptomatic ally spread it to the triple shot friend? Bull crap.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 6:56 AM
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Okie dokie. Believe what ever you want and your “research”. (Notice you didn’t dent my point just decided to try and provide an unrelated example) Tired of telling into the void
I have to wear a button down shirt at work. Does that make me a better worker? More professional? Etc? No but that’s company policy so I follow it. If I don’t I get fired.
So the facts are this … if she doesn’t want to comply peace out. Her choice. No one is impacting her freedoms.
I hear there is a shortage of workers at McDonald’s. She can just boot strap it up.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 7:28 AM
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You’re being a real pos this morning.
You pulled some bs number out of your rectum to act like it’s science when the vaxed are more likely to get omicron than the unvaxed with zero discernible difference in severity of symptoms. Then you choose to be a huge prick about his wife.
Too early here for that- start over.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 7:37 AM
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Am I just pulling stats out of my ###? I didn’t deny vaccinated people can’t get Covid. My remark was around severe illness and death.
And I’m tired of trying to explain to you lot the basics of data. If you don’t want to live in the world with the majority of people and just complain and sue people and be ########, cool. That’s your right and you have the ability to do so.
But society as a majority has decided that you suck and while we’ll listen, we don’t have to do anything about it. So yes. Bye Felicia. Good luck living in your Florida paradise and don’t ask for my money when the next hurricane or 10 hit.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 8:11 AM
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Neal said "boosted". Stop showing b.s. stats as if she is un-vaxxed, da.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 8:24 AM
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A requirement for her job, as a whole, is to stay up to date in vaccinations and shots. It is her responsibility as a health care worker to do so.
And the initial shots last year do have waning immunity. No one ever said they would last forever. Thus by not keeping up with her shots she’s putting herself and her patients at risk.
I’m not the #### here.
Her employer has a requirement for her in a role. She is refusing to comply. Ok fine. Quit. Move on. Im sorry she feels that way but I’m not sorry that she’s making a decision which she is 100% in control of.
Im sure she’s a perfectly capable human who will find something else to do.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 8:28 AM
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Much better. Thank You!
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 8:17 AM
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Not sure who shat on your crumpet this morning.
I didn’t say vaxed can get covid. I said the vaxed are getting omicron at a higher rate than unvaxed and with no difference in hospitalization/ death rates.
That article is completely misleading. It’s example is a 20% death rate. Furthermore, can this not be better explained through comorbidities and age? What % of vaxed and unvaxed have comorbidities? Is that not a better question?
About 5-6 years ago, I saw my PCP about what I felt was my heart beating too hard. He checked me out and said he could do nothing for me- including even sending me to get a EKG or referring me to a specialist because I wasn’t in any high-risk group. Now compare that to what’s going on now. There is zero consideration for any of this and why? I think you just have to follow the money, but that’s just my guess.
For the record the only reason I even responded to any of this is because you’re being such a deuchy troll about his wife. It’s not typically like you. Why would you insult someone’s integrity and motives for a noble career just because they don’t think exactly like you? Then to pile on- you imply she is going to have to work at McDonalds. I for one would rather flip burgers than take “your money” (lol uk- I feel sure you’re paying a ton of taxes).
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 8:31 AM
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And Boris Johnson shat on my crumpet this morning. It wasn’t pleasant
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 10:20 AM
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I mean the likelihood of me spending time in a hospital for Covid is nil. Not surprised you were in … seems like you are all for treatment once the boogeyman comes.
But to your point, do I want to see health care professionals leave? Of course not. But you know why the vast majority of people are leaving? It’s because vaccine deniers are clogging the system and telling nurses and doctors how to be treated. And then becoming belligerent if they don’t get treated the way Joe Rogan and the guy on the internet said.
So how about we treat them with a modicum of respect and not be ######## to them? If that was the case we would be in much better shape.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 10:42 AM
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 10:53 AM
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If her employer makes it a requirement then yes she should.
Sorry. That’s the breaks.
And fyi … when I speak of Covid hospitalization I speak of severely Ill and death. Ask your daughter the break down of patients in the ICU who have been vaccinated and who haven’t. Best case scenario is 80% unvaccinated to 20%. In most cases it’s near 95%.
So again the majority of this country and world have moved in one direction. Who are choosing to stay in the minority by your own choices. Fine. That’s your right. But now you’ll feel what it’s like to be a minority. It sucks my friend.
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 11:07 AM
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 11:37 AM
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Not sure why you’re obsessed with my location? Do you ever wake early to do things before work? I’ve felt admitted I’m a US citizen living in the UK so I provide a unique insight which none of you all have.
No peer pressure mate. It’s your choice. If you want to pay higher insurance rates and medical bills and curtailing of your ability to hold jobs. That’s up to you. No one is forcing you to be cool. I mean we’d like for you to be a responsible adult but whatevs. Your choice.
And yes with over a billion people getting a shot, I doubtly are going to be examples of reactions and unfortunately death. The cases presented are definitely sad but in a significant minority as compared to the impact caused by unvaccinated individuals.
Anyway I’m done chatting about it. Clearly “your research” trumps phds and lifetimes working towards developing these shots. And I hope it doesn’t come back to bite you one day. I truly do. I don’t revel in the suffering you have a significantly higher chance of enduring than I do. I don’t revel in the fact you’d be left with significant long term health issues or death than your family will be left dealing with. All which could have been prevented in a simple way.
But you’re the smart one. Good luck
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 14, 2022, 12:02 PM
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Re: US Supreme Court
Jan 13, 2022, 9:59 PM
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SCOTUS got it right. I'm proud of the result. The real question is how did Three Low Information Liberal Justices ever end up on the bench? Embarrassing. Elite intellectuals? No way in he!!...
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All-In [42170]
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I don't think this is an accurate portrayal
Jan 14, 2022, 8:06 AM
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They didn't deny the corporations' ability. They stopped Biden from single-handedly mandating that they vaccine or test under penalty of fines. And they should have.
I stand by the argument that they should have stopped him. A president should not solely have this much power over American corporations.
Our fake conservatives here who stupidly think I'm liberal will furiously pound their keyboards with their little hands because they don't want to admit they agree with me.
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Lot o points [155930]
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I agree with you, and
Jan 14, 2022, 10:17 AM
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I also agree that you try to dunk more than Spud Webb.
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All-TigerNet [10891]
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Is that English or retarded?
Jan 14, 2022, 9:32 PM
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Corporations can mandate vaccines and tests. That had nothing to do with the case.
But I agree, they failed miserably and should have completely and entirely shot this mandate down and proclaimed that any further attempt at mandated medical experiments or treatments would be struck down as well.
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