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Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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May 26, 2023, 12:49 PM
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It is the most curious thing that so many ‘conservatives’ are oblivious to the fact that Trump has a broad constituency, with a large number of his constituents having strong dislike of his personality.
Yes indeed, Trump does have one large group of supporters who cheer when Trump makes a juvenile dig at person(s) with whom he is in disagreement. However, it is myopic to generalize that the majority of Trump supporters prize this unseemly personal characteristic of his.
There is another rock-solid Trump constituency from among Rust Belt union workers (and retired union workers) who saw with their very own eyes how Trump worked to return America to a competitive environment in which American based manufacturing could compete against foreign manufacturing.
There is a large Trump constituency who are quiet people, not prone to putting MAGA bumper stickers on their cars or MAGA signs in their front yard. They are committed to Trump more than ever as the best hope since Ross Perot to unwind much of the pervasive corruption within the federal government.
Most of these quiet Trump supporters harbored no illusions that the 2016 vintage Trump would have been either highly knowledgeable or highly committed to rooting out the corruption in the government. However, after being hit repeatedly with nuisance lawsuits and true multi-agency conspiracies that were coordinated with the assistance of the Democrat party, this quiet Trump constituency recognizes that Trump understands that government corruption and lawlessness is the single biggest threat to America.
Does this quiet Trump constituency like his mouthing off? Heck no. I, for one, hate it. Love his stupid (Truth Social) tweets? Heck no.
ALSO, as the wheels on the orchestrated J6 insurrection keep getting looser, those former Trump supporters who turned away are starting to understand that the FBI, in coordination with selected highly placed long-standing politicians, was just another in a litany of ‘keep Trump out of here before we get exposed’ schemes.
It’s all about substance and recognizing that Trump, as the consummate outsider to the political class, is worth the gamble as the Republican Party nominee for POTUS.
Social shaming has been the best tactic to erode support from Trump.
The tactic of predicting that he can’t win (why … who knows?) and therefore we should not support his candidacy is self-defeating.
There’s a lot more to Trump than the MAGA characture.
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
May 26, 2023, 12:58 PM
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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May 26, 2023, 1:52 PM
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Sure … but 2022 midterm under-performance was due to timing of SCOTUS RvW decision.
A blowout win in Senate, House, and Gubernatorial races was in the bag before the RvW reversal.
Trump haters have tried to hang this on Trump, which is not correct.
BTW, Trump was also on his way to a solid re-election until COVID knocked the wheels out from under the economy. There’s a lot of truth in that old expression ‘it’s the economy …’
Heck, McCain would have easily beaten Obama had the financial meltdown not hit during Q3-2008.
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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May 26, 2023, 2:18 PM
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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May 26, 2023, 4:10 PM
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Trump is a philanderer, of that there is no doubt. His current wife knew that when she married him. This ‘she’s shocked that he would dally outside of the marriage’ thing doesn’t work. She chose to get married for reasons other than an expectation of fidelity.
Outside of his infidelity, on what basis do you conclude that Trump is a dirtbag of a human being?
Diddling the baby sitter while his first wife was away? Oooops, that was J.Biden diddling with “Doctor Jill” when Biden was married to the mother of Beau and Hunter.
Ruining the man who was involved in the fatal head-on collision with his first wife, falsely proclaiming that the other driver had ‘drunk his lunch’ before the fatal head-on? Ooops again, that was J.Biden, whose first wife was drunk and created the head-on collision with the completely sober trucker. Of course, no mention was suggested that JB wife #1 was in a state of despondency about her husband being a dirt bag of a human being.
Disavowal of a grandchild because acknowledging the grandchild’s existence might hurt his public image? Oooops yet again. It’s dirtbag Joe who has dodged and weaved his way away from his illegitimate granddaughter.
Darn, each time that an example of a dirtbag of a human being comes to mind, Joe Biden keeps on showing up.
(I know that you, same as me, are not much of a Biden fan.)
No rush here, but at your convenience remind me of the ‘dirtbag of a human being’ examples for Trump. Infidelity examples are fine, but not necessary.
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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May 26, 2023, 4:20 PM
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
May 27, 2023, 3:03 PM
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I value your thoughts and perspectives.
Enjoy the Memorial weekend.
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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May 26, 2023, 3:03 PM
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The funny part is that Trump would have a shot against Biden in 2024 had he not given a speech on Jan 6. Now, he has no chance in the general election.
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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May 26, 2023, 3:07 PM
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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May 26, 2023, 3:19 PM
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Or, if he truly thought there was election fraud and as quietly as possible addressed it through the courts, he might have a chance. Just the fact that he was there on Jan 6 is enough for me to never even consider voting for him again. I think there are a lot of people in that category.
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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May 26, 2023, 3:21 PM
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As the DeSantis campaign fizzles, sputters and pops,
May 26, 2023, 1:27 PM
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more and more Republicans are falling in line behind Trump.
It's not a broad coalition, however.
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Re: As the DeSantis campaign fizzles, sputters and pops,
May 26, 2023, 1:29 PM
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The GOP anointed DeSantis before they vetted him because
May 26, 2023, 1:49 PM
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they understand that Trump's coalition isn't broad enough to win elections and were eager to find a replacement. Now, coupled with the fact that Trump and his minions are demonizing DeSantis at every opportunity, they are coming to the realization that Ronnie D. just doesn't have it and they are moving back into the Trump column.
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Re: The GOP anointed DeSantis before they vetted him because
May 26, 2023, 2:04 PM
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I don't see Trump attacking Haley or Scott. Just DeSantis.
May 26, 2023, 2:15 PM
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He is garnering the most support of the Trump contenders, but is way behind Trump in the latest polling. DeSantis has plummeted to around 20% support, while Haley and Scott are under 5% and probably just vying for the VP spot, so Trump is probably correct to target DeSantis with his attacks.
It seems to be working.
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Re: I don't see Trump attacking Haley or Scott. Just DeSantis.
May 26, 2023, 2:20 PM
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Everyone knew DeSantis was a candidate, so Trump was right
May 26, 2023, 2:33 PM
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to go after him. Trump doesn't see Haley or Scott as legitimate candidates for the nomination and I think most agree with his assessment, but sees them as possible running mates.
Unfortunately for DeSantis, as people get to know him better and Trump continues to pound away at him, his support falls.
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Do you agree with DeSantis strategy to attack Trump?
May 26, 2023, 2:49 PM
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I mean, we know Trump is gonna Trump, but he seems to relish drawing people into these kind of sparring matches. He crushed the GOP field with that tactic in 2016. Biden, for the most part, avoided it. I wonder if DeSantis should take a similar strategy and just focus on the message.
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Re: Do you agree with DeSantis strategy to attack Trump?
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May 26, 2023, 3:10 PM
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Re: I don't see Trump attacking Haley or Scott. Just DeSantis.
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May 26, 2023, 4:26 PM
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You have hit upon one of my numerous frustrations about Trump.
If Trump somehow senses that either Haley &/or Scott are threats, then he will (attempt) to eviscerate either / both. Just as he had done with DeSantis.
IMO, taking this scorched earth tactic with DeSantis, Scott, &/or Haley does not help his own electoral ambitions. I really believe that this behavior is fundamental to his personality.
Again, it is not Trump’s personality that appeals to the ‘quiet’ Trump constituency. I hate that he is so over-the-top with his ‘hit back’ tactics.
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Silver lining? Whether it be DeSantis, Trump, Scott (really trying for VP), Haley (see Scott), or someone else, the Republican POTUS nominee will be battle hardened by the time when the Dem and Pub race gets underway.
The Republican nominee will be at great disadvantage to Biden if there is an ice cream eating competition, though.
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Re: As the DeSantis campaign fizzles, sputters and pops,
May 26, 2023, 1:55 PM
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The left’s attempt to demonize DeSantis reminds me of the little kids … those who didn’t get picked for the playground soccer game … jeering at the kids who got picked to play.
In other words, not very convincing.
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Re: As the DeSantis campaign fizzles, sputters and pops,
May 26, 2023, 2:51 PM
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It would be a smart strategy to do that
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May 26, 2023, 2:09 PM
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Since DeSantis has a far, far better chance of dethroning Biden.
But it still doesn't change that too many are loyal to Trump and deify him. If the GOP doesn't find a way to force him out of the race, they may be ######.
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No, no.
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May 26, 2023, 1:28 PM
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The MAGA caricature is pretty much face value with Trump.
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oh yeah, its a broad (yet shrinking) base of idiots
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May 26, 2023, 1:47 PM
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anyone who supports (or even tolerates) trump after Jan. 6 is dead to me.
Let me be clear: I would rather hang out with actual Nazis, Marxists, and even Liberal Democrats than MAGAts at this point.
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Re: oh yeah, its a broad (yet shrinking) base of idiots
May 26, 2023, 2:41 PM
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Many political ideologues cannot allow themselves to see the cracks showing on the government’s orchestration of the J6 ‘insurrection’ because doing so will lead to self-realization of (1) embarrassment about swallowing the hook about yet another govt coordinated propaganda piece -&- (2) a core value of condoning unjustified punishment on those to whom you privately believe to be inferior.
Likely FBI plant Ray Epps … the man bearing a firearm who, on Capitol City Police video & audio footage … crossing the ‘no trespass’ barriers and exhorting nearby J6’ers to follow him and enter the Capitol Bldg. Stone cold silence from Capitol City police, FBI, anti-Trump politicians about this guy. The excuse that ‘this investigative matter is ongoing; no comment’ is viable is simply laughable. The FBI and other fed govt agencies leak stories like crazy all the time … but only when they want the info leaked out.
Face of the J6 ‘insurrection’ Jacob Chansley (the goofball wearing the horns and face paint: Jailed for being the “face” of the J6 insurrection. In complete contradiction to law, exculpatory evidence possessed by the prosecution was denied to defense council for Mr. Chansley and hundreds of other ‘insurrectionists.’ The pretext for not sharing the video / audio footage was ‘national security concerns.’ What a load of BS. Anyway, off to jail went J.Chansley and hundreds of others.
Then …. Ooooops! The release of a small part of that exculpatory video / audio clip happens despite the strenuous objections of Mitch McConnell, Chuck Schumer, and many others. This clip (kept from the defense on the grounds of “national security” concerns) reveals a peaceful and collegial Mr. Chansley walking and talking with Capitol City security staff. Pooof! Mr. Chansley is then released from jail.
(*). Subsequent releases of additional sequestered … for ‘national security’ concerns (right!) reasons … video / audio footage have not happened. Powerful Republican + Democrat political figures are more than happy for non-criminals to remain in prison as long as this injustice keeps the ‘Orange Man J6 insurrectionist’ narrative alive.
Trump coordinated the bad behavior from those few dozen of nut jobs that became violent? More BS. Trump recommended to both DC Mayor Bowser and Speaker of House Pelosi that they should request National Guard to improve overall security at the Capitol on J6. Both ladies refused this. (Obviously, if National Guard was on hand … e.g., a security force that had not been pre-rehearsed to participate in the ‘overwhelmed Capitol City Police’ theatrics … then the carefully choreographed fake J6 insurrection performance would have been ruined.
Facts bother people when those facts expose them as being gullible, dishonorable, or just plain lazy..
It’s no wonder that the America haters keep howling louder and louder to drown out the gradually growing chorus of truth about J6. The America haters last tactic is to hope that Election Day 2024 takes place before the entire J6 insurrection hoax blows up.
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The QAnon Shaman pleaded guilty to the charges.
May 26, 2023, 2:49 PM
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His lawyer stated that “[The QAnon Shaman] regrets very, very much having not just been duped by the president, but by being in a position where he allowed that duping to put him in a position to make decisions he should not have made.”
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Makes sense
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May 27, 2023, 9:25 AM
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Your old “Zionist” comments and fawning love of antisemite Pat Buchanan already let us know the part about preferring to hang out with Nazis, and your “everyone who didn’t get the vaccine should die” stance announced your arrival in the Marxist camp. Being a lawyer in Dilworth, the Liberal democrat propensity was just a matter of time.
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Y'all know the overwhelming majority of America...
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May 26, 2023, 2:07 PM
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Never wanted Trump as a president and his approval/disapproval ratings as a president were atrocious, right?
People who think the majority of America liked Donald Trump as a president and still want him live in a fantasy world.
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Re: Y'all know the overwhelming majority of America...
May 26, 2023, 2:49 PM
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The more that Americans see of Biden and the outrageous attempts to politically prosecute Trump, the more that people realize Trump is more important to them.
Even some of TNet’s lefties admit that these endless frivolous lawsuits are building up Trump as a victim of political persecution.
Trump did not enjoy that favorable- to-the-voter attribute in either 2016 or 2020. He’s sure got that in his favor now.
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It's just Republicans who are glomming onto Trump as
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May 26, 2023, 2:55 PM
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his legal woes mount and DeSantis struggles. There is no broad coalition of support that Trump is building.
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Yeah?
May 26, 2023, 3:00 PM
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And you draw this conclusion over what? Jim Bob who lives down the street? Brad in the cubicle next to you? Bubba as he orders another Miller Lite at happy hour (not that #### Bud Light anymore)?
Do you have some real data that shows your claims are actually making people who DIDN'T want Trump as president suddenly change their mind? How is he "important" to them?
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Based on his approval numbers,
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May 26, 2023, 2:23 PM
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Trump's constituency was a bit smaller than Biden's.
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FAKE NEWS!***
May 26, 2023, 2:37 PM
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Re: Based on his approval numbers,
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It's getting repeatedly tiring to hear people who live in Podunk, SC, and only surround themselves with Trumpies talk to us like they think they know how the majority of America feels about Trump.
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Re: Based on his approval numbers,
May 26, 2023, 3:01 PM
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I don't like him. But then again I'm not most of America
May 26, 2023, 4:28 PM
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either. I'm not even most of the republican party, evidently. My primary vote has NEVER gone on to win the nomination.
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Prettt much same here. Who’d you vote for in 96?***
May 27, 2023, 9:16 AM
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Re: I don't like him. But then again I'm not most of America
May 27, 2023, 3:44 PM
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FWIW, I voted for Ross Perot in both ‘92 and ‘96.
It requires someone as POTUS outside of the political duopoly of the Democrats and Republicans to shed light on the criminal (anti-constitutional) behavior from the ruling class Dems & Pubs.
The Perot experiment taught everyone that a candidate running as something other than a Democrat or a Republican will never be allowed to win. Too many special interests from within the private sector that depend upon alliances with Dems or Pubs for “Independent” to become POTUS.
Michael Bloomberg might have been interesting (he’s not corruptible), but his instincts appear to be totalitarian.
Despite his baggage, Trump is not corruptible; he’s not interested in POTUS for money making purposes. His true “Independent” streak was revealed when, shortly after getting elected in 2016 (with much help from Rupert Murdoch, who directed Fox News to tilt their news coverage to be favorable to Trump), Trump was not willing to ‘repay the favor’ to Murdoch. Thus rebuffed, Murdoch sent Fox News on a scorched earth attack against Trump. Fox News’ firing of Tucker Carlson proved the level of revenge that Murdoch would descend in order to enforce organizational discipline that no on-air talent would produce news stories that were favorable to Trump.
RFK, Jr. does not appear to be easily corrupted. He’s at least taken public positions to question the crony capitalist aspects of the political / defense contractor war industry. Atypical of the white liberal phony ‘racial justice’ charlatans, RFK, Jr is not a supporter of the race based quota systems being imposed on industries and with respect to university admission standards. For good or bad, he takes strong stands against the hydrocarbon based energy industry and against big pharma. My concern about RFK, Jr is that a well intended but myopic ideologue (hydrocarbon and big pharma are both very valuable industries that are critical components in a healthy and economically future for America) is too much of a Don Quixote esque figure.
Gotta go … time to get ready for some cooking.
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Re: I don't like him. But then again I'm not most of America
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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Sending Trump to "root out corruption" would be like sending...well, I can't come up with a good analogy but it would be stupid.
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Sending Al Capone to enforce Prohibition?***
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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He did when he got elected, but no more. It was the "I wanted to see him shake up the establishment" vote. And there was a lot of hatred for Hillary. But by the end of his term... well, I have a neighbor who typified this in 2020, he was "I voted for him because I thought he'd shake things up, but can't someone just shoot him?" I couldn't believe he said that.
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But people also forget
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He was still one of only five presidents in history to win without the popular vote. He won where it counted and with some surprises, but the majority of America STILL didn't want him back then.
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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I think RTD is right on.
There's too much evidence showing how corrupt the dems, the FBI, and DOJ are. It essentially does not matter to many people what 'lawsuits' are thrown at Trump because it has been proven in the past that charges were trumped up. They will do it again.
He was impeached for a fake, made up issue for Gods sakes. The Steele Dossier is a total fake and anyone with an objective mind knew it when they read it. It ruined his entire first term as POTUS.
The Clinton Foundation - 100s of millions from foreigners and foreign gov'ts. Comey. Peter Strzok. AG Lynch meets Bill Clinton secretly on the tarmac. Open in your face corruption. No problem, though, for the sheep.
HB's laptop. 50 national intelligence experts signing a letter. JFC. YCMTSU.
Do you lefties not understand all of this? It's a huge pile of chit.
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
May 26, 2023, 4:44 PM
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But Jared getting $2 BILLION from the Saudis is okay to you?
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110%er [5679]
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
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May 26, 2023, 5:13 PM
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You can't be helped.
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
May 27, 2023, 3:05 PM
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This is how big a hypocrite you are. I can't help that.
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This essay is a great example of
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May 26, 2023, 5:06 PM
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American stupidity. It went so well the first time our country kicked itself in the nuts, let’s do it again!
I hope he does get nominated, cause he’ll get smoked again ….then maybe his trailer park followers will quit duh huh’in about him and we can get back to having two viable parties.
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All-TigerNet [11952]
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Is the all time champion
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May 26, 2023, 5:40 PM
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GOP vote winner.
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Re: Y’all know that Trump has a broad constituency, right?
May 27, 2023, 9:05 AM
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Define...."broad"
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