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Who will be the ACC's 16th team? My take: (long)
Sep 12, 2012, 2:52 PM
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First off, I'm assuming ND will eventually join the ACC for football once their current TV deal ends in 2016.
As I see it, the most likely candidate is UCONN. However, they would not add a new media market for the conference, but could help bolster ratings in the NYC area (Syracuse has theoretically added NYC already). UCONN has stronge case due to their reputation in basketball and in the classroom. And while improved of late, they are more like the Coots football wise (well under .500 all time and with only one 10 win season).
Likewise, Rutgers could bolster NYC area ratings, but has the same liability football-wise (but two 11-win seasons since the '70s). While improved in football, they will likely slide back into mediocrity as well with Schiano.
Another candidate could be WVU, though that will probably never happen due to academics. Nonetheless, WV has natural and historic rivalries with many ACC teams- Cuse, BC, UMD, VT, Pitt, etc. They also would not add a new market (only a few dozen TVs in the state). Another con- with them just having joined the Big XII Minus 2, they may not be likely to want to change allegiances so soon, though the long trips to Kansas, OK, and Texas could change their minds.
Louisville could be another candidate, but would likewise not add a new major market. However, they offer may a better basketball-football mix than UCONN or Rutgers, as they have been strong in both sports since around 1990.
What say you? More raids into the Big Least or does the ACC again jump outside the Atlantic Coast for its 16th member?
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we missed the boat on WV, for better or worse. uconn or
Sep 12, 2012, 2:55 PM
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l'ville would be OK. i hear penn state is available now as well. 
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cinci?***
Sep 12, 2012, 3:02 PM
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Re: cinci?***
Sep 12, 2012, 3:05 PM
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I would say Tennesse, USF or UCF, maybe Kentucky.
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why would tenn or ken leave the SEC?***
Sep 12, 2012, 3:10 PM
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Re: Who will be the ACC's 16th team? My take: (long)
Sep 12, 2012, 2:56 PM
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ND isn't joining the ACC in Football....they have absolutely no reason to even consider doing so.
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they will when ESPN can afford to throw more money at the
Sep 12, 2012, 2:58 PM
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ACC than NBC can throw at ND.
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They might depending on what NBC gives them.
Sep 12, 2012, 3:03 PM
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Right now they're making $15 mil a year from their NBC deal. Obviously that will go up, but by how much? Reports on ESPN is that the ACC's TV deal is going to go up to $19 mil per school per year. Now if ESPN bumps up the TV deal that much for 2 or 3 games a year how much would they pay for all of Notre Dame's games?
What if they gave the ACC a TV deal of $25-27 mil? Will NBC match that? If not will Notre Dame bounce?
Clearly I'm just putting out scenarios and none of this is being reported, but what if ESPN went into a bidding war to get the Irish with the ACC.
Personally I do think the Irish stays independent, but if the money is right, I wouldn't be surprised if they jump. I also wouldn't be surprised if $ was already discussed between ESPN, The ACC, and the Irish. Notre Dame's in a situation where they can't lose.
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The targets for 15 and 16 were Notre Dame and Texas. Now,
Sep 12, 2012, 3:22 PM
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we have Notre Dame as 14.5. We will not go to 16 unless Notre Dame goes to 15.
The Big 12 has stabilized and Texas is still more or less calling the shots out there. I say they are off the board although Notre Dame could conceivably persuade them to give us a look-see.
Our fall-back target eleven months ago was Penn State. Joe Paterno (and a number of PSU alumni) actually preferred the ACC to the B1G. It was going to be hard for them to walk away from the B1G $, but Notre Dame probably would have closed the deal with them. Now, Paterno's dead and his statue uprooted. The B1G could care less about them and they know it. I look for Penn State to rebound from all of this to the point that by the time Notre Dame MIGHT make a move to add ACC football in 2016, Penn State could be back on our radar.
UConn is always a possibility, but they are mostly a basketball add, and that's not really what we are looking for. They would add to our share of the NYC TV market (which is dominated by Notre Dame). If we really wanted to lock down the NYC market, however, we would add:
Rutgers. Solid academics, reasonably strong football of late but always a bit of an underperformer, somewhat miserable basketball. It would be a TV market deal. Nobody is in love with Rutgers.
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not many to pick from
Sep 12, 2012, 2:58 PM
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Navy would be intriguing.
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WVU joins Sports Only & Stays Independent in Academics.
Sep 12, 2012, 2:58 PM
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Go Tigers!
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If it ever happens ? Navy to please ND.***
Sep 12, 2012, 3:04 PM
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Why not Louisville?
Sep 12, 2012, 3:06 PM
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nm
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Academic prestige ... Or lack thereof. It matters, maybe it
Sep 12, 2012, 3:35 PM
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Shouldn't, but it does matter. Academic prestige (or a lack thereof) is why the Texas President tried to get them out of the B12 and into the PAC. It is why the FSU President courted Notre Dame to the ACC and voted to increase exit fee instead of supporting a FSU move to the B12.
Outside of Texas and to a lesser degree Baylor, B12 academics are a joke. The B12 was a perfect fit for West Virginia once WVU was jilted (again) by the ACC and by the (cough,cough) SEC over academics. Louisville is a glorified community college with academics every bit as weak as WVU's. They would be a good fit for the B12 ... And WVU wants them (needs them now that they understand FSU ain't coming). I am just not sure Texas is interested in further B12 expansion (or letting WVU have a playmate).
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Penn State.
Sep 12, 2012, 3:07 PM
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By the time the deals come through in 2016, they will be recovering and the current scandal media coverage will have died down.
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It will take a lot longer then that
Sep 12, 2012, 3:09 PM
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for Penn State to recover and in all honesty I doubt anyone wants to touch that school right now with a ten foot pole.
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Re: It will take a lot longer then that
Sep 12, 2012, 3:12 PM
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UConn likely killed their chances with the APR ban
Sep 12, 2012, 3:08 PM
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If the conference didn't take WVU for academics, I doubt they will take a team that is currently banned from the NCAA tournament because of poor academics.
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Think more of institutional academic prestige rather than
Sep 12, 2012, 3:44 PM
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The academic integrity of its athletic department. If it was the latter instead of the former, we would have expelled UNC (and perhaps replaced them with WVU!)...
UConn is very solid academically as a public, land grant institution. It is perceived nationally very similarly to Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, Clemson and Va Tech. West Virginia is not.
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Either UConn Rutgers or Penn St no one else***
Sep 12, 2012, 3:52 PM
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A Fla school?
Sep 12, 2012, 4:05 PM
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forgetting academics for a sec...
There is a ton of talent in Florida - the more exposure there the better. What about one of the 2nd tier Fla schools? South Florida etc?
Now, my preference is not to forget academics. I would like for the ACC to remain an organization of high quality universities, and I don’t want a “directional” university. Service academies seem like a weird fit. I think that leaves Penn State. I don’t think they will be down as long as folks think. Heck, how ‘bout Ohio? They beat Penn St. Rutgers isn’t a bad school, but man, New Joisey?
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Re: let's go get Oregon. That's a new TV market. I like Nike***
Sep 12, 2012, 4:08 PM
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Re: Who will be the ACC's 16th team? My take: (long)
Sep 12, 2012, 4:14 PM
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The ACC won't take WVU or Louisville for academic reasons, even though they'd be an upgrade for the ACC in both football and basketball. The only choices I see are UConn or Rutgers realistically or Penn State as a long shot.
Ideally, ND becomes a full member and the ACC adds Penn State. The ACC splits North-South with 8-team divisions.
Picking number 16 is complicated by the fact that we don't know if ND will ever be a full member. If not we could see a basketball-only pick like Georgetown.
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