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Orange Blooded [2672]
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Dabo Swinney fits the description of a Manager more than
Mar 31, 2014, 4:34 PM
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he does the description of a coach. I'm currently studying Management at Clemson, and several of the traits of a good manager fit Dabo perfectly. Dabo prevents this team from too many symptoms of groupthink, which in turn can lead to a sense of invulnerability among employees (or in this case, players) and stereotyping of competitors (or rather, opponents). No doubt that if football wasn't working out for Coach Swinney, even though its working out terrifically for him, he'd be quite a successful manager for a large company.
Just my 2 cents. Idk why i'm posting this honestly. I'm all jacked up on coffee and needed a study break.
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Re: Dabo Swinney fits the description of a Manager more than
Mar 31, 2014, 4:39 PM
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Legend [19202]
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Define coach and I think the 2 overlap***
Mar 31, 2014, 4:55 PM
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SAN DEAMUS HIGH SCHOOL STALLIONS ROCK!!!
Mar 31, 2014, 4:59 PM
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Shut Up Ted!!!
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Wouldn't most good coaches have the characteristics of a
Mar 31, 2014, 5:15 PM
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good manager ?
I have seen no indications that CDS isn't a very good coach and a very good manager and an outstanding human being.
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Re: Dabo Swinney fits the description of a Manager more than
Mar 31, 2014, 5:17 PM
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study harder, a coach is 1st of all a manager
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Dabo manages coaches; he coaches LIFE***
Mar 31, 2014, 5:22 PM
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Great description
Mar 31, 2014, 10:18 PM
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he's not going to X and O an opposing coach to death. But Dabo sets the strategy, the tone and the day to day operations. His coaches interact with the players.
He's also learning from his gameday mistakes.
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Re: Dabo Swinney fits the description of a Manager more than
Mar 31, 2014, 5:29 PM
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Just curious as to why you think his coaching is working out well. The top team in our division mugs us when we play. Florida State. And our in-state rival, the chickens, finish the mugging job every year we don't look like we belong on the same field with them. 5 years in a row, now. Then Swinney crows about beating 6 or 8 teams like the Citadel, Furman and Weak Forest. Personally, I don't see that as successful.
We have won one ACC title in how long?
I give you that once he may have been a mediocre real estate salesman.
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And yet
Mar 31, 2014, 5:50 PM
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Here you are on a message board gossiping about a 40-something year-old man who is making millions and living his dream. Something tells me he isnt too worried what "domduck" thinks. But the way, that BCS trophy looks might shiny sitting on our campus. Kind of sad our mediocre coach got one when so many others can't even get into a BCS game.
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Re: Dabo Swinney fits the description of a Manager more than
Mar 31, 2014, 7:17 PM
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I have to wonder if Florida fans at one time said the same thing about their up and coming coach of the early '90's, Steve Spurrier, who went 1-4-1 starting out at Fl against a seasoned veteran by the name of Bobby Bowden...this despite the fact that he was recruiting nationally ranked classes, going to major bowls and defeating national powers.
Spurrier also was more prepared than Swinney when he went to Fl - that is, he had been a head coach for 4-5 years.
Look, here's the deal. I'm as frustrated over this SC streak as the next Clemson fan. But I also know that it has taken phenomenal SEC dollars, back to back "Hall of Fame" coaches with the last one having a 4 year head start at USC before Swinney took over. it took all of this and more in order to produce that streak.
Put another way, it basically took divine intervention for USC to be able to pull it off...all the planets lining up, etc. Clemson has never ever had such an advantage in the history of the series for putting together our many many winning streaks.
Yes indeed...I wonder how many Fl fans were so short sighted.
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Spurrier was 1-4-1 against FSU early on?
Apr 1, 2014, 8:41 AM
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Whoa. That's a neat little fact.
Not surprising Spurrier is friends with Dabo. He probably sees himself when interacting with him.
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Re: Re: Re: Dabo Swinney fits the description of a Manager more than
Mar 31, 2014, 11:04 PM
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I think DA stands for Duck's A$$! 
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Re: Dabo Swinney fits the description of a Manager more than
Mar 31, 2014, 5:49 PM
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Your post is a good one. Makes one think
I was just pointing out that Swinney has everyone's expectations elevated with no real evidence.
I prefer to see him, at least compete with Fla State and the Chickens. which has not happened in a while.
and Swinney has been on the job longer than Jimbo
Do well in class and solidify your career.
There has been a few rumors but I am afraid that I can't name a big time school that is interested in offering him a job. Seems as if we are the only ones that woulds hire him--Especially since he can't beat his in-state or conference rival.
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You tell' em Coot!!!!!!!!!!!***
Mar 31, 2014, 5:53 PM
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"no real evidence"...LOL. You can't be serious.
Apr 1, 2014, 8:57 AM
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Evidence clearly shows Dabo is doing better than any coach in Clemson history, with the possible exception of Danny Ford. And he's only completed 5 full seasons.
Seriously, did you hit the crack pipe before posting on Tigernet? Or does it make you feel good to make an idiot out of yourself?
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'JANE, YOU IGNORANT SLUT!'
Apr 1, 2014, 8:59 AM
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The coach recruiting trail has an order. First the discovery stage where coaches are contacted to find if they are interested in said school.
The list of 'interested,' coaches are 'released,' which is the second stage.
Blah, blah, blah until an offered coach accepts the job.
No where in that process will you find the name of a coach who shows no interest and refuses to entertain offers from a school seeking a coach. Are you idiots thinking some D1 school is going to humiliate itself by listing all the coaches who wouldn't work there? RIGHT!
You name one coach who flatly refuses to interview and shows no interest in a school that contacts him then go back to STS and tell them you've found what they desperately need to sell their delusion bullchit to Clemson fans.
Elsewise, jane, you really are just an ignorant slut.
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Who is your professor for organizational behavior?
Mar 31, 2014, 9:26 PM
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Dr. Cliché?
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Orange Blooded [2537]
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also misspelled "cluck"...
Mar 31, 2014, 10:04 PM
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"dumbcluck"
hate all you want on Dabo, but other than strictly basing your decision on USuCk or FSU outcomes alone,
what has any coach done you're referring to done that Dabo hasn't come at least as close to accomplishing himself.
winning conference championships & BCS bowls...
the only thing better is the national title & repeating the same of what we've been doing with some improvement.
what are you complaining about? cootville is
>>>>>>>>>that way>>>>>>>>>>
nothing to see here....move along.
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I'm curious...
Apr 1, 2014, 8:47 AM
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What is your idea of a "coach" and what part about that description do you feel Dabo is lacking? Other than positional coaches who manage and train for specific techniques and roles, how does being a head coach differ from being a manager?
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My opinion
Apr 1, 2014, 8:51 AM
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Coach Dabo is not a proven play caller.
Other than that...I like his style. Although his post game interviews get long-winded.
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He's never been an OC, but that doesn't mean he's
Apr 1, 2014, 9:07 AM
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not capable or doesn't have a knowledgeable offensive mind. For one, he's played or coached offense his entire football life. Even if he knew little about playcalling, which isn't substantiated, that wouldn't automatically make him not worthy of being called a "coach". You don't have to call the offensive or defensive plays to be a good coach. A head coach IS a manager. Our "company" is doing very well and growing. That's a measure of his ability to manage/coach.
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I agree. Dabo is unproven as a play caller
Apr 1, 2014, 9:13 AM
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That's all. I have no idea if he would be good at it or not. Like Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno, Dabo does not have to call plays to succeed as HC.
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The point here is, he doesn't have to be a proven playcaller
Apr 1, 2014, 9:21 AM
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to be considered. I was thinking you meant the two go hand in hand. They don't. The list of past and present great head coaches who didn't call plays goes well beyond Joe Pa and Bobby Bowden.
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I thought STS was giving up on that bullchit.
Apr 1, 2014, 9:01 AM
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Are they still spitting that crap out or are you still belching what they puked up a five years ago?
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Re: A coach is only as good
Apr 1, 2014, 9:19 AM
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as his assistants. Sweeney is a great recruiter that has enough sense to hire offensive and defensive coaches that can win games like LSU, Georgia, and Ohio St. He currently has Clemson at a better winning percentage than any coach you have had since at least the 80's.
Spurrier didn't turn USC into a top tier team until he completely revamped his coaching staff. Spurrier has been his own offensive coordinator since day one where Dabo was a position coach. Let Dabo leave the play calling to the guys that do it best and concentrate on what he does best, recruiter, motivator, and spokesperson.
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Don't know why anyone would see the two as that different
Apr 1, 2014, 12:59 PM
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Coaches are resource managers and talent developers for the most part. The higher up the coaching food chain the more management takes over, I would think. And a lot of the same rules apply as they do in business or industry. Some HC's micromanage too much, for example. Some try to carry too much of the coaching/development burden even making play calls at times.
Can't say for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some correlation between HC's that excelled at managing over doing the job of the lower staff and those who have a highly regarded staff. Who wants to work for a HC who meddles into your job too much?
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No
Apr 1, 2014, 1:06 PM
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Dabo fits the description of a leader. A dayum good leader.
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