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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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Lets sort through this ND/ACC thing with a little honesty.
Sep 13, 2012, 5:22 AM
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I've said more than once I hate ND. If anyone here loves them, they sure have been quiet about it. I have listed more than a couple of times, here on T-net, who I pull for and against. ND tops one list and whoever they play tops the other. Clemson excluded, of course.
No other program compares to ND. That is why they are on the top of my hate list. Truthfully, I am jealous and so is everyone else in the country. Most of the venom spewed about the ND/ACC relationship is founded in hate. Hate is like cancer. It destroys from within. It is the most powerful emotion other than love and they are exact opposites.
Enough of the philosophical bullchit.
Every ardent college football fan in the country has one or the other of those emotions about ND. ND goes unnoticed by no football fan because of their humpteen NCs and bigole, red headed, butt-ugly pastyazz players. They have the largest fan base in the country and perhaps the world. Being a soccer fan in a third world country and watching 'your team,' on a 1964 RCA XL100 powered by a bicycle driven generator along with the rest of your village of illiterate fellow-heathens does not count. No offense to illiterate heathens. I raised a couple myself.
The ACC will now capitalize on both these overwhelming emotions toward ND. When an ACC team plays them, two million of the viewers will be cheering for the Catholics and the other 50 million will be cheering for the ACC team. That's a lot of eyes and ESPN knows it. Why do you thing the B1G got such a sweet TV deal? Those yankees don't love college football, they hate ND. We took the B1G's biggest games of the year from them! ND only said they would preserve the west coast games. That leaves ESPN stuck with the bill for all the B1G/ND games they've already had under contract. This is big, folks! We might even get another bowl tie in out of this.
At lease once every three years Clemson will be America's darling. Heck, I'll be cheering for UNC, FSU, Miami and even Duke for the first time ever. Don't be hatin' on me, I can't help it.
If ND is rated, or not, every one of the ND/ACC games will be on prime time, national TV. There is no way ESPN, NBC and everyone else with a sports broadcasting network can ignore this. Our TV revenue will increase when the five ND games are scheduled.
If you can bridle your blinding hate for ND and Swofford for just a minute so you can give honest consideration for Clemson you can see the real economic impact of this circumstance.
OK, now please return to your blinding hate for ND and Swofford! I have, cause Clemson needs the money.
BTW dsp, evidently the report from the advisory committee arived sometime last week and yes, I know 'whomever,' is correct grammar.
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That's a lot of early morning typing***
Sep 13, 2012, 5:31 AM
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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Re: That's a lot of early morning typing***
Sep 13, 2012, 5:34 AM
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I woke up to pray at 4 AM. After I got finished thanking God for all He has given me and how He has never ignored a prayer request, I was so wound up I couldn't sleep.
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I recommend decaf.***
Sep 13, 2012, 7:53 AM
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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I don't think He even drinks coffee.
Sep 13, 2012, 8:48 AM
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But I'll give Him the message. 
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meanwhile ND gets to keep their TV and bowl money
Sep 13, 2012, 5:39 AM
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while we get to split our money with duke and md and whoever else is a drain on the conference
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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Good morning Neal.
Sep 13, 2012, 5:46 AM
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ND always had their TV money. We have always had to split our money with Duke and the other scrubs in the ACC. Now, we get a cut of ND's basketball money and all the B1G's ND game dollars.
I don't pretend to know the exacts of any of these but I'm leaning toward believing that Clemson's signature on the contract was in consideration of some $$$ and not love.
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Well except that ND will take one of our better bowls and
Sep 13, 2012, 5:51 AM
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keep the money that would have gone to the rest of the ACC
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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Re: Well except that ND will take one of our better bowls and
Sep 13, 2012, 5:57 AM
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I agree, evidently Clemson and FSU expected to place in a bowl higher than ND to get our signatures on that contract.
Without having estimates the both of us are speculating. I'm trusting our BOT's advisory committee to have gathered those estimate and projections and made a good decision.
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Orange Blooded [3510]
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Not true
Sep 13, 2012, 5:59 AM
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ND can't take the ACC's BCS spot. For non-BCS games they can but they do NOT get to keep the payout. If they take an ACC bowl slot they get a share of the bowl payout and a travel allotment just like every other team. Yes this will mean 1/15 vs 1/14th share but they aren't walking out with the full payout.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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Re: Not true
Sep 13, 2012, 6:12 AM
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He didn't say BCS spot. He said lesser bowls. The BCS era ends in 2014 but he wasn't talking about our playoff spot either because conference affiliation is not considered by the selection committee. The criteria is SOS, W/L record with 'special consideration,' given to conference champs. I don't think ND is qualified to play in the ACCCCG either.
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As I understand it, they DO keep the entire payout
Sep 13, 2012, 7:33 AM
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from any bowl game.
They are not eligible for the BCS/Orange Bowl as part of the ACC. They are eligible based on their own unique criteria.
They are eligible for all non-BCS bowls as if they were a full-fledged member of the ACC, and the DO keep the full payout (instead of sharing with other conference members like everybody else.) However, they do not get any travel expenses from the ACC.
That's the way I understand it.
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Re: As I understand it, they DO keep the entire payout
Sep 13, 2012, 7:47 AM
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This has been my problem with this deal. I mis-spoke yesterday about the Orange Bowl. (whole other story) But, they can still take the Chic-Fil-A bowl, or any other bowl - and keep all the money.
Let's look at hypotheticals.
Let's say FSU and VT get into the "old" BCS bowls.... like last year with us in the Orange, and VT in the Sugar. And let's say Clemson is 3rd. That should put us in Atlanta. However, ND is 5-0 against ACC teams, while we are 5-3 (or 6-3). ND goes to Atlanta, and we settle for ???
So they would have taken a bowl spot from us, and not only that, we do not get the 1/15 share of the bowl. ND gets it all. PLUS, they have their NBC contract.
I thought our problem with NOT going to the SEC or Big12 was the differences in money??? I thought many believed that in the arms race, the $'s difference, was going to hurt us. Yet, we allow someone in the conference who will be way ahead of us in the $'s race??
And ND - while on contract with NBC WILL NOT HELP OUR TV dollars. A game against ND will be on NBC. And NBC is not going to throw us any money for it. As long as ND is NOT a FULL member of the ACC, there will be no $'s coming our way from TV contracts. Why would ESPN/ABC up the $'s ??? They are not getting any of the games on their network. A ND game against Clemson would be COMPETING against THEIR NETWORK!
I am sure many are believing that ND will become a full football member once their NBC contract ends, but the Big East thought the same when ND joined them years ago. How did that work out? Why would the ACC be any different? I am not saying it will not happen. I just have not heard a real, concrete reason why ND will become a full football member.
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Good points . . . but the NBC/ND deal is only for ND's home
Sep 13, 2012, 8:51 AM
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games, I believe. That means an increase of 2-3 games a year of shared ACC tv money.
That brings up another question - who do we replace on our schedule to accomodate ND? If we replace a Furman or a Ball St., then all is well as far as added revenue. But, if we replace an Auburn or a Georgia, then it's at best a wash.
And it looks to me as well like they would potentially knock a deserving, full-fledged member out of a bowl and down to a lesser one.
Finally, I think ND has made it clear that they intend to remain fully independent in football - the ACC is just a fallback (thank you very much).
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Re: Yes, it's a good point.
Sep 13, 2012, 8:54 AM
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I suggest that the BB money will cover the conference losses on bowl revenue losses over a third tier bowl game. I don't know. Imagine what a draw the ACC tournament will be with these 15 teams we have.
Clemson has a BB team, too.
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If this is the case
Sep 13, 2012, 9:12 AM
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then ND will probably end up in the Car Care or some other crappy bowl and get more money by taking the ACC bowl payout.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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The BCS is dead in two years.
Sep 13, 2012, 9:33 AM
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The big money is in the playoff. Everybody is worried about ND getting ACC money for a bowl game but ND can't be a conference champ cause they don't have a conference.
Being conference champs is being considered by the new presidential selection committee which will pick the playoff participants. Good luck to one loss ND team being selected over a one loss ACC (14 team) conference champs.
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Sep 13, 2012, 5:59 AM
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Lose the emotion and open your eyes.
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I think I will wait until I see the money
Sep 13, 2012, 6:37 AM
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Before I praise ND or Swoffie. He has never done anything to help Clemson. Now that the exit fee is 3x the operating budget, we can't get out.
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Re: I think I will wait until I see the money
Sep 13, 2012, 7:04 AM
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We weren't ever getting out of the conference. I really think that ND will eventually become a full fledged member but what worries me is who the 16th member will be. Swoffie didn't do it for Clemson and now we have two power entities to combat.
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Re: I think I will wait until I see the money
Sep 13, 2012, 9:07 AM
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Even if we weren't planning to leave, it's stupid not to have an escape route.
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Re: Got to admit - we were jacked up about the '77 game.***
Sep 13, 2012, 8:48 AM
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and your point is?
In 77 ND was College football and we were working our way up but this is not ND of the 70's they have not been good in years.
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My guess- ND @ CU is nationally televised - not on Raycom***
Sep 13, 2012, 8:50 AM
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Not if Swofford has anything to say about it***
Sep 13, 2012, 9:09 AM
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Re: Lets sort through this ND/ACC thing with a little honesty.
Sep 13, 2012, 7:40 AM
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Well said sir!
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This is spot on! EVERY ONE OF YOU ILLITERATE
Sep 13, 2012, 8:56 AM
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HEATHENS NEED TO GET SOMEBODY TO READ THIS--AND EXPLAIN IT--TO YOU.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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You can't talk to my kids that way.
Sep 13, 2012, 8:59 AM
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Signed
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Re: Lets sort through this ND/ACC thing with a little honesty.
Sep 13, 2012, 9:06 AM
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"ND goes unnoticed by no football fan because of their humpteen NCs and bigole, red headed, butt-ugly pastyazz players."
I couldn't tell you how ND played last year or any of the last several years. I looked up their record this year and saw that they flattened Navy (wow good for them beating a mighty service academy) and then eked out a 20-17 win over Purdue, who hasn't been relevant since Drew Brees graduated. So that makes them on par with who? Wake? Virginia maybe?
If and when ND is finally added to a conference in football, all of their mystique will gone within about 2 years, because it will be painfully clear to everyone that they're a middle of the pack conference team at best.
ND is relevant in name only and will more than likely do absolutely nothing to help the ACC in the long term.
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It's not about W-L when you're talking ND's mystique.
Sep 13, 2012, 9:18 AM
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THAT'S all about Knute Rockne and Rudy and the like. It's all about their fanatical fan base and, as CT88 pointed out, the intense hatred the rest of the country has for them. Yes, they still bring something no other team can match.
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Re: It's not about W-L when you're talking ND's mystique.
Sep 13, 2012, 9:26 AM
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And I'm saying that once they enter a major conference in football, a lot of that goes away because it becomes clear that they've been hiding their inadequacies by not being in a conference. Miami is still one of the most recognizable brands in college football, but nobody respects them and they aren't a huge draw for fans anymore because they haven't been worth a crap recently and it shows in the final conference standings.
By joining a conference, ND will have to deal with the same ebbs and flows of popularity as everybody else. They'll still have that aura of being Notre Dame, just like Miami still has that aura of being "The U," but there is a very good chance that they will be even less relevant than they are now.
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Re: It's not about W-L when you're talking ND's mystique.
Sep 13, 2012, 9:31 AM
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I don't know how you figure this. As it is, they play the toughest schedule in the country. They've NEVER shied from competition. In fact, they've thrived on playing the best anywhere, any time. You have to give them their due on that score.
Now, if they joined the ACC as a full member, their SOS goes down automatically. That means their winning pct goes up accordingly. That kind of negates your point, don't you think?
Don't forget, their last NC was 7 years more recent than ours. I doubt they'd get bullied too badly in the ACC.
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Re: It's not about W-L when you're talking ND's mystique.
Sep 13, 2012, 10:06 AM
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They have the toughest schedule this year, that's not always the case. As of right now they play Navy, Army, Air force, Purdue, and BC every year in addition to some of their stronger regular matchups agains USC, Mich, and Mich St. In 2009 they had the 31st SoS and still only went 6-6, in 2008 they were 7-6 with the #50 SoS.
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Re: It's not about W-L when you're talking ND's mystique.
Sep 13, 2012, 12:09 PM
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I don't see a Ball ST or a Furman on that schedule. Just sayin.' Maybe Navy is a weak opponent, but I'd bet on them against Balls Tate.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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David, you can't defend ND's lack of good football.
Sep 13, 2012, 12:14 PM
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They suck, so what?
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Re: David, you can't defend ND's lack of good football.
Sep 13, 2012, 12:27 PM
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Here's hoping they bring their special brand of sucking to the ACC full time.
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It's not like there's anything else to do in South Bend
Sep 13, 2012, 10:08 AM
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or most parts of Indiana outside of Indianapolis for that matter.
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Re: It's not like there's anything else to do in South Bend
Sep 13, 2012, 12:12 PM
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I can't argue with that but I know we played UM when they were top ten and it looked like less than 30K in the seats. The bottom section wasn't full at the 30 yrd line.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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You really expect me to believe that's accurate
Sep 13, 2012, 10:11 AM
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when it shows there being more Auburn fans than Alabama fans? Give me a break.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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No, I don't expect you to believe anything that contradicts
Sep 13, 2012, 12:04 PM
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your opinion. Do you believe that Clemson has 1.7 million fans?
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Re: No, I don't expect you to believe anything that contradicts
Sep 13, 2012, 12:32 PM
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If one stat's inaccurate then the whole study is invalid, so I don't know for sure how many fans Clemson or any other school on that list has.
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Excellent Post - This is not a great thing, but it is a good
Sep 13, 2012, 10:18 AM
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thing.Probably benefits ND more than ACC, but this along with the $50M exit fee solidifies the conference from defections of other football schools, and that definitely benefits Clemson. The ND away games will provide some $ increase in the ACC's TV contract. Our bowl tie ins will improve, and yes I know ND will be taking $ from that pie. I'd much rather have this than Rutgers & Conn as full time members - we will net more $ for the conference in the years to come - and we have a GREAT addition to our schedule every third year. Given the true options out there (of which us joining the SEC is not one)- this is good. Worse case they leave in a few years and we split $50M.
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sorry...........I vented too much last night. I'm burnt out on this topic.***
Sep 13, 2012, 12:57 PM
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