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Just your opinions on CK2 arm strength on the deep throw…
Dec 6, 2022, 11:13 AM
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…to Turner.
I measured that throw at 56 yards in the air. It was a PERFECT pass.
I was wondering, as I watched Cade closely, if that was just about all he had in his arm.
60 yards in the air seems to be a good measure of strength. I have seen a few 70 yard passes.
CK2 did seem to put a lot of air under that pass, so with less arc, he could throw it farther.
I’m not sure how fast Turner is, but let’s say CK2 was given 4 seconds to throw to Martavis Bryant running full speed, could Cade get it to him in STRIDE?
Flutie’s Hail Mary was 64 yards in the air.
A lot was said about DJU’s arm strength, but I never really recall a play where he aired-it-out.
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Re: Just your opinions on CK2 arm strength on the deep throw…
Dec 6, 2022, 11:15 AM
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He has a deep ball like DW4 and the stronger he gets the arch will come down. He’s not going to send it to the moon but he’s going to put it on a dot on time. Threw a ton of deep balls in HS with little to no issue.
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That 2-point conversion play to Ngata against ‘Cuse…
Dec 6, 2022, 11:23 AM
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…was a bit jaw-dropping when I saw it.
That throw would seem to define the ”frozen rope” analogy.
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Re: That 2-point conversion play to Ngata against ‘Cuse…
Dec 6, 2022, 11:36 AM
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When he made that throw I knew he was going to be special that’s not a normal throw and it wasn’t a lucky just throw ir either
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Re: Just your opinions on CK2 arm strength on the deep throw…
Dec 6, 2022, 11:15 AM
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Actually the throw had too much air under it and was subsequently short. Watch the replay and see where the receiver had to slow down and hold off the DB, then accelerate and get under the throw. I don't blame Cade, but the receiver is the one that made that play work.
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If you have watched our QB the last two years, how can you
Dec 6, 2022, 11:25 AM
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not appreciate the amazing accuracy of that deep pass?
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Re: Just your opinions on CK2 arm strength on the deep throw…
Dec 6, 2022, 11:53 AM
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He barely slowed down, and it was from opposite hash so actually 63 yards in the air. He was in stride, just a slight hesitation step and then off.. Barely even noticeable.
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Re: Just your opinions on CK2 arm strength on the deep throw…
Dec 6, 2022, 11:21 AM
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Pleasantly surprised, it was a very nice deep ball and it didn't look like he was trying to over throw. There were a few passes in the spring game that made me wonder just how much arm strength he had. Looks like he has gotten stronger over time. We are in good shape. He throws on time, a tight spiral and as we know now, can air it out. Looks like a very "catchable" ball, just need the WR's to do their job, get open and hold on to the ball.
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Re: Just your opinions on CK2 arm strength on the deep throw…
Dec 6, 2022, 11:25 AM
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Definitely doesn’t have a Trevor/DJ type of arm but I’ll take an accurate assassin type arm over an inaccurate cannon any day.
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That throw went longer than 56 yards if you think about it.
Dec 6, 2022, 11:21 AM
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He was at the right hash mark and threw to the left sideline. Someone on here calculated it to be closer to 67 yards
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Are you inviting me to use the Pythagorean Theorem on this?
Dec 6, 2022, 11:25 AM
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OK…I’ll give it a go later this evening.
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Re: That throw went longer than 56 yards if you think about it.
Dec 6, 2022, 11:49 AM
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I've got it around 64 yards. From the right hash to the sideline is about 33 1/3 yards, he released it behind the 25 yard line but to make it easier I just figured 25 yard line. Looked like it would have landed, if not caught, about the 20 yard line (55 yards downfield). So do a little A squared+b squared= c squared.... comes out to about 64 yards.
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Not to nerd-out completely, but I see just shy of 62 yards.
Dec 6, 2022, 12:05 PM
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Threw it from the 24 and completed on the 22. 54 yards downfield.
Threw it from about a yard in from the hash and completed about two yards from the sideline. Far hash to sideline is 100' so say 90' side-to-side.
30 yards by 54 yards gives you 61.8 yards in the air.
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This geometry works…but, let’s rework it using trig…
Dec 6, 2022, 1:11 PM
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…I’d like to make sure you haven’t forgotten your sines and cosines.
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That was a beautifully accurate deep pass. 2 others that
Dec 6, 2022, 11:23 AM
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were equally impressive were the early pass moving to his left to Antonio Williams for 22 yards. Was able to deliver a perfect strike moving to his left . Not easy to do.
The other was the TD pass to Davis Allen when Cade dropped back to his right, got pressure from the defensive lineman and threw a perfectly placed ball in the back corner of the endzone over the heads of the defenders while falling away from the target to avoid the pressure.
Great feet, excellent athleticism, consistent mechanics and tremendous accuracy.
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Re: That was a beautifully accurate deep pass. 2 others that
Dec 6, 2022, 11:27 AM
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The TD pass to Allen was one of the best this season, that’s not an easy throw to make at all and it was perfectly placed with pressure.
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Re: That was a beautifully accurate deep pass. 2 others that
Dec 6, 2022, 11:28 AM
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He’s also a MAGICIAN with the play fake, you know your good when you fool the cameras and he had them lost on his keeper for a TD. Defenses are going to have a nightmare next year worrying about his arms/legs along with Ship/Mafah
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His ball fakes are excellent. They aren't obvious unlike
Dec 6, 2022, 11:33 AM
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the other guy.
Even on a basic RPO keeper, he gets 8 yards with his speed. That is really going to open up our offense. We could use a speed back to compliment Shipley and Mafah - like Christopher Johnson - and put even more pressure on the defense.
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Re: His ball fakes are excellent. They aren't obvious unlike
Dec 6, 2022, 11:38 AM
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Have my fingers crossed on getting Johnson he’s going to be a nightlight reel
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He looks like he could help us at receiver, as well.
Dec 6, 2022, 11:52 AM
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Would be a perfect fit for us right now.
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I’ve re-watched that Davis TD pass several times…
Dec 6, 2022, 11:31 AM
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…it was just so perfectly placed, 2” higher and that ball is NOT caught.
The defender was on Davis immediately and almost knocked the ball loose as Davis pulled the ball into his body.
If that pass was NOT luck, then, secondaries are in for an absolute nightmare.
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That ball was just a few short of 70 yards in the air
Dec 6, 2022, 11:29 AM
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Perfect ball flight for man coverage and no safety on top
I think he’s got a 5-10 yards left in the tank
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Re: Just your opinions on CK2 arm strength on the deep throw…
Dec 6, 2022, 11:52 AM
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Not a perfect comparison but I see a bit of a young Drew Brees arm wise. Cade is more athletic overall and Brees didnt have a cannon either but he could make all the throws and was an all time great.
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Re: Just your opinions on CK2 arm strength on the deep throw…
Dec 6, 2022, 12:02 PM
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Cade has decent arm strength for a big time college QB. Taj Boyd, Trevor Lawrence and DJU (in order from least to most strength) all had more pure strength - more of a cannon - than Cade. It will be more important for Cade to not throw off his back foot, etc. because of this, as you could see DJ throw a rope (maybe not on target, but a rope none the less) when he was on his back foot.
QB's are different. The pros are accurate and most have a cannon to some degree (think Trevor). Cade has better wheels than any of those guys, and hopefully his headspace holds up as superior. Good decisions will overcome a lack of pure talent.
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Re: Just your opinions on CK2 arm strength on the deep throw…
Dec 6, 2022, 1:00 PM
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He made some terrific throws and played great but of course, there will be some things to work on. He does put a lot of air on the ball and a few were coming up short. The other thing I noticed was that he was floating a few of the shorter throws instead of zipping them in there. He floated an out route to Randall that allowed the DB to catch up to it and knock it away at the last second. Had he just put his normal zip on it that would not have happened.
As a gunslinger, he will take more chances and try and thread the needle which will lead to some interceptions but you take the bad with the good. I could probably live with 30 TDs and 10 INTs next year in a 12-game regular season and we would be just fine.
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Cade has excellent touch and timing, so I don't really care***
Dec 6, 2022, 5:19 PM
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