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If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 1:12 PM
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Would have made any difference? Think they probably would have made it to the NCAAT that season, but not too far since Mitchell's knee was bad
But would Brad have known how to use Williamson?
But, would that have caused other high recruits before PJ to go there, or just add one more NCAAT for Brad and a higher extension?
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Oculus Spirit [80373]
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People would have increased the excitement level.
Feb 15, 2022, 1:21 PM
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Folks would want to see him play, so you’d probably have seen attendance numbers tick up a little and we’d have probably had a couple more gain national television.
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Letterman [256]
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 1:55 PM
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It would have been electric and potentially changed the face of the program, IMHO. That team, even with Mitchell banged up, with Williamson was a second weekend NCAAT team at least IMHO. Think about having K.J. McDaniels back but 260+ pound and put him on a team with Reed, Thomas, etc. Zion was must see coming into college.
We have never had a top 1-3 level pick in the modern day. Guys like Horace Grant, Dale Davis, Elden Campbell were not on the level Zion was coming into college. He could sell out a 20K seat arena as a HIGH SCHOOL PLAYER.
It would have been fun to see.
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Solid take Calvin!
Feb 15, 2022, 2:32 PM
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It would have been fun to watch for sure!
My only qualm about the overall positive impact on Clemson the year Zion would have played is that Duke failed to even win their regional even with Zion surrounded by players a lot better than those he would have shared the ball with at Clemson.
Still, not coming to Clemson was certainly a huge blow to Clemson’s program and to Brad’s career.
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 1:57 PM
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That team would have been awesome. Maybe even Final 4 material. It would also have helped recruiting.
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 1:59 PM
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We would have been a very good team if we had Zion. He would have replaced skara in the starting lineup. We also would have been more deep.
I think we make the tournament and win a couple games, most ACC home games would have been sell outs, and it would have boosted our program in the national spotlight. It would have been huge.
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 2:04 PM
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The only thing I would say is that it would have been a lot of fun to see what we may have done with him on the team. Would have been short lived no doubt, but more fun than what we have experienced around Bball in a long time. Even if we lost games I think most of us would have felt like we could be competitive with most anyone.
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 2:03 PM
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That is a stupid question. Any basketball coach would know what to do with Zion. He still would have been the 1st pick in the draft and we would have been very, very good. If you don't think Zion, Thomas and Simms would not have been good, you know nothing about basketball.
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 2:05 PM
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The latter applies.
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It’s a reasonable question for a coach at a program that had
Feb 15, 2022, 2:19 PM
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never landed a recruit of that caliber.
He would certainly have flourished as an individual at Clemson, but chemistry is an important factor in team success.
Brad would have been responsible for maintaining team chemistry while maximizing the talents and abilities of a one & done super star.
Easy enough for K to do. He has a lot of experience.
Brad ... not so much.
Maybe just “turning Zion loose” was all any coach needed to do.
But, maybe not. Maybe there is more to it than that.
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Oculus Spirit [76974]
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Well,
Feb 15, 2022, 3:55 PM
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Our current offense is built around PJ so I don’t see how inserting Zion would be any different to that end. Same as Simms…
If you go back and watch Zion’s tenure at Duke, the team was built around him. K modified and has always modified based on his personnel. I don’t see anything that suggests Brad hasn’t done the same thing. Again, see Simms. Whether he’s a number one pick or just another 4-5 star doesn’t change the philosophy.
The question itself isn’t my issue, it’s the OP’s constant trolling of our basketball coach with straw man arguments and baseless “what if” statements presented as facts when everybody in the free world knows any coach would have looked like a hero with him on the court. The OP knows exactly what he was doing when he posted this.
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 4:53 PM
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Not sure every coach would depends on their philosophy but he definitely needs playmakers around him no doubt. If no one else can consistently score the basketball then it’s automatic double team and he is made average. Figure with his talent he probably has a lot of leeway on his shots.
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Oculus Spirit [76974]
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I love the subtle dig at Brad,
Feb 15, 2022, 2:04 PM
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but even good ole Coach Kline fingered out how to use the Water Boy. Seriously?
How did K use him other than putting him on the floor and saying, “go eat?”
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recruiting recruiting recruiting... cj spiller turned on the
Feb 15, 2022, 2:04 PM
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recruiting machine at clemson. first Elite (nationwide elite) recruit to commit to Clemson which looked favorably not only on Clemson but the eventual HC Dabo Swinney. He was supposed to be with Tim Tebow at UF. Instead he said Clemson!?! Put us on the map and one of the key reasons we won 2 national championships later on. We had to reel in a big fish and he was it. Zion was THE fish in that class. Which would have propelled us to the tourney (bc we had a good team without him) and would have caught the eye of future recruits. It was a huge missed opportunity.
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Re: recruiting recruiting recruiting... cj spiller turned on the
Feb 15, 2022, 2:13 PM
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recruiting machine at clemson. first Elite (nationwide elite) recruit to commit to Clemson which looked favorably not only on Clemson but the eventual HC Dabo Swinney. He was supposed to be with Tim Tebow at UF. Instead he said Clemson!?! Put us on the map and one of the key reasons we won 2 national championships later on. We had to reel in a big fish and he was it. Zion was THE fish in that class. Which would have propelled us to the tourney (bc we had a good team without him) and would have caught the eye of future recruits. It was a huge missed opportunity.
Its clear you don't understand what happened with Zion or the illegal payouts from a shoe company who was in bed with Duke. Zion was thought to be Clemson bound even to the point where the Duke media did not show up at the announcement. Seems a big dollar offer happen the evening prior to the announcement which caused Zion to choose Duke. Had nothing to do with CBB or Clemson or a missed opportunity.
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guess u misinterpreted or you're adding in your own thoughts
Feb 15, 2022, 2:48 PM
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where did i mention it was Brad's fault? The question from the OP was "would Brad even know how to use him correctly..." My point is.... it doesn't matter how he would have used him. The benefit would be the notoriety and the recruiting buzz for years to come. After the Code article on SI we all know the how and the why but that's not anything i was referencing as Brad's fault. Nothing we could do about that. My point is these big fish are valuable regardless of how "good" they really are later on.
And regardless of how you frame it, at its base, its a "missed opportunity." Whether we could have done anything to make good on it or not. You're arguing semantics i guess.
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Re: guess u misinterpreted or you're adding in your own thoughts
Feb 15, 2022, 3:12 PM
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Arguing semantics is all that happens here. There is very little actual discussion.
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Re: recruiting recruiting recruiting... cj spiller turned on the
Feb 15, 2022, 4:57 PM
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If that’s the case why no ongoing investigations or penalties. This was pre NIL. I keep hearing this story but nothing looks to be being done. Sounds very illegal at the time with some cut scholarships or missed post season tournaments at the least handed down.
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Sharone Wright was not marketed across the globe like Zion
Feb 15, 2022, 2:56 PM
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was.. that type of marketing didn't exist in 1991. I think you're looking at it from a talent perspective. Talent didn't matter really with Zion..it was more about catching 8th to 11th graders eyes who were looking for the same pop that Zion was getting. And then you ride that wave as far as you can in hopes it produces success in BBALL finally.
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 2:12 PM
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Imo it would have helped other higher recruits to come be a part of his team. As for Brad knowing what to do with him, sadly I think Brad would have messed it up.
Good basketball players will come to Clemson. Just don't think they want to come play for Brad. Recruits, like most fans know that Brad has got to get fired at some point.
I look through tinted glasses. I was against the hire from the beginning but was convinced that's all our finances would allow without taking away from FB. We might get a shyatt but at least act like we're trying. That, imo is the biggest turnoff for a recruit. It's not lack of fan support, it's lack of AD support through accepting mediocre as standard.
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 2:41 PM
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PJ Hall says hello. I guess you don't consider the other players on the roster as good either.
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Well Brad did say our team needs more talent. "we are a
Feb 15, 2022, 2:44 PM
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little overmanned at times. We have to do some things in recruiting . . . "
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Letterman [257]
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Re: Well Brad did say our team needs more talent. "we are a
Feb 15, 2022, 3:10 PM
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Well, yes, but that doesn't mean the players currently on the roster are not good. Overmanned could also be a reference that their three main bigs are a hurt sophomore, a true freshman, and someone who should be a senior in high school (queue Jake Bentley references if you like).
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 3:51 PM
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Imo it would have helped other higher recruits to come be a part of his team. As for Brad knowing what to do with him, sadly I think Brad would have messed it up.
Good basketball players will come to Clemson. Just don't think they want to come play for Brad. Recruits, like most fans know that Brad has got to get fired at some point.
I look through tinted glasses. I was against the hire from the beginning but was convinced that's all our finances would allow without taking away from FB. We might get a shyatt but at least act like we're trying. That, imo is the biggest turnoff for a recruit. It's not lack of fan support, it's lack of AD support through accepting mediocre as standard.
How would BB have messed it up? Brownell gets a lot out of his players as everybody fence of his average ACC finish being higher than his average ACC recruiting ranking.
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 2:20 PM
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We would have probably played a half court, slow tempo, ball control offense. I can't imagine it would have made a monumental difference.
We would still need to score more points than the other team to win.
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If he ended up under Brad that would be sexual assault.***
Feb 15, 2022, 2:21 PM
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Yes he would be easy to coach. You have a new offense just
Feb 15, 2022, 2:36 PM
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for him. It's called the Zion. Throw the ball to Zion. One out of every 6 times you throw it to Zion, throw it to someone else to shoot. If Zion has the ball, get out of Zion's way. Coach Brownell do not talk to Zion other than to make sure he is remaining eligible and that he has plenty of water during the game.
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Re: If Zion had ended up at Clemson under Brad?
Feb 15, 2022, 2:37 PM
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I think we definitely would have made a little run in the tourney probably another sweet 16.
It would have been a major shift in the energy and perception of the program.
He's such a freakish talent I don't think he could have screwed it up.
It would have opened up Clemson as an option for elite BB players, we aren't currently considered.
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We would have been pretty dang good...
Feb 15, 2022, 3:04 PM
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however....given the fallout from Steve Smith's bribery video after the 18-19 season....my guess is direct payments would have been made to Zion and/or his family by Smith and some Clemson boosters leading to an investigation. They probably pursue it, strip our wins away, Smith gets fired and Brownell accused of being a cheat and possibly getting fired.
Zion went to Duke and since they love Coach K...they let is slide.
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It’s almost worth firing BB
Feb 15, 2022, 4:44 PM
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To stop seeing your whiny, petulant post.
Take a break for a day and enjoy life if you can.
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This Zion guy, pretty sure he peaked in High School. What has he won since?***
Feb 15, 2022, 4:51 PM
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Re: This Zion guy, pretty sure he peaked in High School. What has he won since?***
Feb 15, 2022, 5:36 PM
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At Duke I remember he'd often play hard up and down the court and looked dominant for about 5 minutes at the start of the games. Then he would disappear the rest of the game.
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if we matched the $ Duke gave him , we would've known***
Feb 15, 2022, 5:15 PM
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