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Rock Defender [53]
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I just don't see it with our BBall team.
Feb 18, 2016, 8:24 AM
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Yeah - they won last night, but it was against BC, who if I'm not mistaken has not won a single ACC game. And they struggled until BC's top players sat with foul trouble.
I see CLEMSON BBall as a pretty solid NIT team, but I would not expect this team to go very far in the NCAAT. They rely too much on the three, have no penetrating PG, and struggle with turnovers. Their best attribute might be their free-throwing, and I never thought I'd say that in my lifetime. Kudos to BB or whomever that made this team actually able to make a free throw.
Nope - I just don't see it. If we are that good, then I just keep missing it. I try to see it, but then I see too many issues.
That said - it's definitely nice to watch a CLEMSON BBall team that can compete better than in previous years. It's been a long drought IMO.
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would agree - mind set of the team is too inconsistent...
Feb 18, 2016, 8:42 AM
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but at least we've got hope and something to cheer about!
#GoTigers
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All-In [44050]
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We have actually been extremely competitive under Brownell.
Feb 18, 2016, 8:46 AM
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Games where we weren't in it until the end are rare under Brownell. The difference this year is that we have more offensive firepower to go along with the tough defense. That offensive taken will only increase next year with the transfers who will be eligible.
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110%er [8009]
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Well, if you ignore all those ugly Non Conferences losses***
Feb 18, 2016, 10:13 AM
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Orange Blooded [3820]
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the thing no one talks about Judge -
Feb 18, 2016, 2:06 PM
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that this is the first yer that BB has ever had his previous year's leading scorer returning to lead the team again. And if JB doesn't have an idiot moment, he'll be back next year as well.
Brownell simply doesn't get the credit he deserves for climbing the mountain put in front of him.
Whether we make the Dance this year or not, they've achieved great things,
and will only be better next year.
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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did we have a good run over a few games this year?
Feb 18, 2016, 2:21 PM
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yes.
Achieved great things? No.
Do you think it was BB's, or the AD's, plan to not be dancing at all in year 5 or 6? H3ll no.
I hope we can get in this year... we've had a good run... bur our RPI is 90... NINETY.... 9 - 0
hopefully BB finds a way to get us in... and starts winning non-conference games
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Legend [16136]
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We've accomplished things never done before at Clemson,
Feb 18, 2016, 2:23 PM
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sorry it was lost on you
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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it's not lost on me at all... I like BB....
Feb 18, 2016, 2:26 PM
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I hope he does well...
but let's don't sugarcoat where we are... If he would have said, "well.. in year 6 we hope to be on the bubble after rebuilding", he never would have been hired.
I like him a lot... but he needs to win. We are 9-5 in ACC play (which is AWESOME), so there is ZERO excuse for an RPI at 90 and being on the outside of the bubble at this point.
just win
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Legend [16136]
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So if we would have one and doned two years ago, would he
Feb 18, 2016, 2:51 PM
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get a pass?
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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are you kidding me?
Feb 18, 2016, 3:13 PM
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making the NCAAT is the goal... period. Playing well in it comes with reaching that goal.
don't turn this into one of your rants about people not liking BB. I like BB. I think he's a good coach.
I also think he has underachieved in regards to postseason play. I think he has benefited from an unbalanced schedule. Even with that, we haven't made the dance.
The run this year of beating ranked teams was great.... but we are still quite a ways out, looking in.
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Legend [16136]
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One of my rants about people not liking BB? Can you provide
Feb 18, 2016, 4:24 PM
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a link? And you think he benefited from this years ACC slate?
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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are you reading my posts?
Feb 18, 2016, 4:36 PM
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this years run was great... but for the majority of his tenure, he has a lot of ACC wins against the bottom half...
heck, I like him and I hope he gets it done.... but that is a fact
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Legend [16136]
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still waiting on that link guy, one of my patented
Feb 18, 2016, 5:09 PM
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everybody hates Brad rants
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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i didn't say patented... you did
Feb 18, 2016, 5:51 PM
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but i won't argue... i didn't say hate, you did.... but i won't argue
so you agree that BB's ACC success has been against the bottom of the league, due to the unbalanced schedule... other than this year's Miami, Duke, UofL, and Cuse run?
Pitt and FSU wins are looking less impressive
all that said... I like him, and hope we find a way to get in
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Legend [16136]
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so you can't find "one of my rants about people
Feb 18, 2016, 5:53 PM
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not liking BB" to link?
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Legend [16136]
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having trouble walking the walk?***
Feb 18, 2016, 6:28 PM
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Legend [16136]
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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wrong wording... you seem to always feel the need to
Feb 18, 2016, 6:12 PM
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defend BB... and i'm fine with that... but your original response to me was one of defending, and I wasn't attacking
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Legend [16136]
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word for word what you said, now where's that link?
Feb 18, 2016, 6:28 PM
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Where did I EVEN mention Brad in my initial response? I'd like a link of that as well...and I wasn't defending anything, I made a declarative statement, if you took it wrong, that's your problem not mine
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Re: word for word what you said, now where's that link?
Feb 18, 2016, 7:11 PM
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so "we've" was referring to years prior to BB?
I also believe 2 years ago would have been bb, no?
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Legend [16136]
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"we've" is referring to this year's team, which was the team
Feb 18, 2016, 9:07 PM
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you referenced in YOUR first sentence
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Rock Defender [53]
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Legend [16136]
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I predict we will win 3 of the next 4 and I hope that is
Feb 18, 2016, 5:32 PM
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enough
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Orange Blooded [4995]
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Orange Blooded [4596]
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Re: I just don't see it with our BBall team.
Feb 18, 2016, 9:03 AM
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Miami, Duke, Pitt, Syracuse, FSU (1-1), and Louisville all agree with you. Send Clemson to NIT.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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great wins, unfortunately some real stinkers for losses...
Feb 18, 2016, 9:07 AM
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rpi of 90 has NEVER been tournament worthy and is ~30 spots removed from the worst rpi to ever make it.
it'll take more than ruby slippers to get this team to the dance.
beat the hoos.
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Standout [338]
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Re: great wins, unfortunately some real stinkers for losses...
Feb 18, 2016, 9:46 AM
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There are other measurements besides RPI. Sagarin has then at 51. I agree that they need to move up. I don't see them getting in with more than 1 loss in the regular season. That RPI is driven by early season losses, which get discounted IF a team gets hot late in the year.
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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yes, there are other drivers and you'll be hard pressed to
Feb 18, 2016, 10:01 AM
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show where i said rpi is a stand alone, but it's the only one created by the committee for the committee.
it's important, because they say so.
the worst rpi ever to make the dance was ~64th; at one time ~97+% ended ~top 50 rpi[at large].
clemson will finish in the high 70s if the tigers beat uva(?), should everyone else remain about the same.
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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yep... and that will create an interesting scenario
Feb 18, 2016, 10:03 AM
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Clemson, at 13-5 in the ACC, with an RPI in the 70's, and the highest to ever make is mid 60's...
wow
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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it will be tantamount to bob getting some.***
Feb 18, 2016, 10:04 AM
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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BB is an accomplished coach
Feb 18, 2016, 10:05 AM
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not a miracle worker
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Heisman Winner [108390]
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i pull for bob.
Feb 18, 2016, 10:08 AM
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wait, strike that.
maybe bob should create his own booster club so he can afford to get some?
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All-TigerNet [12943]
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he's almost there... he's already got the
Feb 18, 2016, 10:11 AM
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booster seat
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: I just don't see it with our BBall team.
Feb 18, 2016, 9:07 AM
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I'm sure all unc fans were saying they weren't an NCAA team after they beat BC by only 3.
BC played one of their better games last night. They were actually making shots. Their center hit his first 3 of the season last night. Also, they had a guy hit 2 3s that only had 3 prior to this game.
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Legend [16908]
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Re: I just don't see it with our BBall team.
Feb 18, 2016, 2:18 PM
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Their leading scorer for the season went 1-17 shooting last night. Please try to stay grounded in reality. They are an awful team and played badly. We played down to them for a half.
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Re: I just don't see it with our BBall team.
Feb 19, 2016, 11:00 AM
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lol
poor poor viztiz
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This is a good basketball team for CLEMSON,
Feb 18, 2016, 9:13 AM
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given our basketball history. In the last FORTY-FIVE YEARS, we have had a winning record in conference 12 times; it's almost a lock this year. If we make the dance, it's a great year, again given our history. The problem is, our history is pretty bad overall, and we need to get to a point where we have a good basketball program objectively, compared to everybody else. We have to stop using our own sorry history as a basis for how good we are in any particular year; that would be setting the bar way too low and guaranteeing underachievemnt. I think we're making slow progress under Brownell, but still have a ways to go. The good thing is, in basketball, if you have a good coach and a solid group of role players, it only takes one or two big-time players to get you over that hump. Here's to hoping Brownell can pull that off.
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Hall of Famer [22965]
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Good post...accurate assessment***
Feb 18, 2016, 1:43 PM
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Re: I just don't see it with our BBall team.
Feb 18, 2016, 9:36 AM
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We are deffenantly a top 64 team in terms of talent. Sometimes we play like a top 10 sometimes we play like we shouldn't be in the top 200. It's so great to have fans that don't think our team is any good. I just love it! I'm sure the players thank you for your support. Go Tigers! Here we come tourny.
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CU Guru [1893]
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If the Tigers play like they did last night and
Feb 18, 2016, 10:09 AM
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against Georgia Tech, they will not win another regular season game. I fully expect NC State to lay a whipping on Clemson this Saturday. Losing at BC on the last day of the regular season will be embarrassing.
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Re: If the Tigers play like they did last night and
Feb 18, 2016, 10:12 AM
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SMFH
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Wait? Clemson beat both BC and GT by double figures
Feb 18, 2016, 5:06 PM
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and they face both teams again ... but they can't beat them a second time playing "like that" ?
NC State has been terrible throughout the season ... much worse than Clemson and yet because of two double digit Tiger victories in a row, you already "fully expect" a loss in Raleigh ?
Wow.
Here's what fully expect ... Clemson will go 4-0 to close out the regular season and will win at least two tournament games on their way to an NCAA bid.
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CU Guru [1893]
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Clemson trailed against BC at halftime at home.
Feb 19, 2016, 8:46 AM
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Slow starts like that will kill the Tigers on the road. I have been watching Clemson basketball for almost 54 years. It's like Groundhog Day.
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All-TigerNet [11934]
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As a fellow old timer, I feel your pain ...
Feb 19, 2016, 10:54 AM
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"Groundhog Day" ... that's an apt analogy. I've been folowing the Tigers since the Press Maravich days and I know what you're saying.
We do need to avoid slow starts on the road for sure.
I think we will ... overall, (the loss to Va Tech notwithstanding) this group has played very well on the road in the ACC this year.
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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I agree but three games, Louisville, Miami, and Duke
Feb 18, 2016, 10:10 AM
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stand out as games where we looked very good. We just need more consistency and have four more games to put that together.
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Legend [16136]
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people see what they want to see***
Feb 18, 2016, 1:50 PM
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Re: I just don't see it with our BBall team.
Feb 18, 2016, 2:13 PM
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I agree with most of what you said, but you're wrong on Clemson struggling with turnovers. We're averaging 10.5 per game. Best in the NCAA is 9.0.
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All-TigerNet [13038]
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We also have one of the slowest tempos in the NCAA
Feb 18, 2016, 5:28 PM
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(337 out of 351) which makes a stat like that look a little better than it really is.
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Legend [15749]
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I'm too ignorant about basketball to do a fair assessment,
Feb 18, 2016, 2:30 PM
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...so I just hope we keep winning.
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Uh....well....duh.....
Feb 18, 2016, 2:57 PM
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I don't think anybody is expecting this team to make a deep tourney run
That being said, just getting an invite is an accomplishment in itself and is a step in the right direction
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Re: I just don't see it with our BBall team.
Feb 18, 2016, 3:10 PM
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Our PG's have done a good job scoring off drives and drawing fouls in certain games. Our defense should get some credit for the opponents leading scorers having off nights as well.
We keep winning even when we struggle in some areas. Does that not speak volumes?
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CU Guru [1893]
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With Duke and Notre Dame's remaining schedules,
Feb 18, 2016, 3:16 PM
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it will take a miracle to get a two day bye in the ACC Tournament. Clemson needs Miami to lose all of its remaining games. If Miami wins just two of its remaining games, Clemson has to win 3 of its last 4 games.
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Is this surprising to you? We are not a basketball school.
Feb 18, 2016, 4:47 PM
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Would I love us to be good in all sports? Obviously yes. But it's nearly impossible to achieve that. If we have a good year every now and then, great, it will be nice surprise. But we do not put a serious emphasis on basketball, and the result is a mediocre team.
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Re: Is this surprising to you? We are not a basketball school.
Feb 18, 2016, 5:22 PM
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^^^^Actually UF managed to do that a few years ago. Baseball, football NC, and BBall. It only lasted for a short time though, so I agree it's rare to be good in the 3 major sports. I don't really expect us to be good at everything.
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I try to be good at everything!***
Feb 18, 2016, 9:18 PM
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Jeez... it's only unthinkable if you don't think it...
Feb 19, 2016, 11:54 AM
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Never sell your Tigers short!! I like this team. They have their weaknesses, but I applaud their strengths. I want the BEST for our tigers. That's the tourney!
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