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All-In [25697]
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I am way, way better off than I was four years ago.
Oct 28, 2012, 10:22 PM
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Actually, I'm way, way better off than I was just a year and a half ago.
Thing is, though, I did build that, which is part of the reason I don't hang out here anymore.
Obama has failed. Romney gets my vote, just as he would have four years ago had he won the nomination. Some people here might remember me saying that back then.
My concern is that people show up in the red states in big numbers, giving Romney a huge lead in the popular vote, while Obama squeaks out just enough swing states to win the Electoral College.
When the popular vote winner lost in 2000, it was close. If the aforementioned scenario occurs, Romney could conceivably win the popular vote overwhelmingly. Much more than Gore did in 2000.
Think this country can't get more divided and vitriolic than it is now? Just wait.
I hope like hell that scenario doesn't happen, but I fear it will.
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All-TigerNet [14751]
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this election was already confusing enough now schorchy
Oct 28, 2012, 10:26 PM
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is a R?
I'm so confused now I'll hang up and listen.
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Legend [18024]
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Maybe he doesn't think Romney is as conservative...
Oct 28, 2012, 10:29 PM
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as he appears to be.
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Heisman Winner [111622]
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Re: Maybe he doesn't think Romney is as conservative...
Oct 28, 2012, 10:32 PM
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Romney is whatever is behind door number two, I have no idea what he is.
All I know is his record at bain was 75% success, 25% miserable failure and he and his buddies came out on top either way. I am not willing to take that chance with our country.
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All-TigerNet [14751]
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i'll gladly chance 75% success instead of 100% failure***
Oct 28, 2012, 10:35 PM
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Legend [18024]
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Romney is a pure politican.
Oct 28, 2012, 10:48 PM
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He will say and do anything to get elected. He believes he SHOULD be president. He doesn't believe it's a service position where he can enact good through his positions. He simply believes that it's the best career choice for him. Now, that may sound negative towards Mitt, but know that I think if he were elected he would govern from the center like Obama has for most of his presidency. I would be SHOCKED if Romney's presidency was any different than Obama. I don't think they repeal Obamacare, I don't think he would do anything differently from a tax or spending standpoint. The economy will continue to improve and with it more revenue will enter government and spending will continue to hold steady so deficits will lower which will make Romney look like he is doing something to affect it even if he isn't. By the end of 2016 we will have added 12 million jobs, like the CBO is projecting, and everything will seem improved. The president in 2016 will leave a much better America than what he inherited and people will cheer him. Whomever wins just needs not screw things up and they should have a successful legacy.
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Heisman Winner [137968]
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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And funnier still,
Oct 29, 2012, 7:39 AM
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he thinks himself a conservative. 
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All-In [30195]
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The best result if that does happen is:
Oct 28, 2012, 10:40 PM
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Getting rid of the Electoral College. It's usefulness is so dated. It needs to be gotten rid of.
Seems like Obama and Romney are running for President of Ohio, Florida, and Colorado.
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All-In [28802]
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don't agree at all...
Oct 28, 2012, 11:05 PM
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as long as we want to have a federal system where the states and localities have more expansive powers than the federal government (because they're closer to the people), we also ought to allow states to elect presidents rather than having a direct popular vote. As one writer I've been reading has said, there is no such thing as 'the popular vote' for the president. There is only the vote of the states through the electoral college. So Romney and Obama absolutely are "running for president of Ohio, Florida, and Colorado," because they are running for President of the United States, not president of a directly democratic state.
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All-In [30195]
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I just disagree there
Oct 28, 2012, 11:09 PM
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We're the only country in the world to use the Electoral College anymore. Who wanted a popular vote from the founders?
James Wilson and James Madison
One reason against back then? Too difficult to do so because there were so many slaves.
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All-TigerNet [14751]
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well most others use a parliamentary system which is
Oct 28, 2012, 11:13 PM
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completely different anyway so its hard to compare to other countries.
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All-TigerNet [14751]
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i'm generally in favor of the electoral college as well and
Oct 28, 2012, 11:11 PM
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i think you summed it up well, here is where I'm having a hard time. I think you live with the every so often disconnect, see 2000 only the 4th time in history and the popular was only off by half a percent (something like 48% to 48.5%....)
But....in a scenario (which could actually happen based on how the current math is working) where one guy wins by a few full percentage points and loses, that will raise a lot more eyebrows. I don't know the answer because I don't want to scrap it entirely, but I'd be interesting in looking at possible adjustments.
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All-In [30195]
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I just think its concert is so dated
Oct 28, 2012, 11:15 PM
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It just makes no sense at all. You vote for a very small group of people to vote for the President. Uh, what?
As for this election, I'm pretty indifferent since my vote doesn't matter here in New Jersey. And millions of others around the country are in the same boat.
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All-TigerNet [14751]
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see i view it as a states issue, much like the concept of
Oct 28, 2012, 11:17 PM
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the senate.
Smaller states are over represented in the Senate. Alaska has as much voting power as California. I like that, I like the fact we have so many checks and balances and the states still have power in the system (although it had greatly eroded).
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Heisman Winner [135942]
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Legend [18334]
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Proceed Scorch...
Oct 28, 2012, 10:49 PM
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All-In [28802]
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color me surprised***
Oct 28, 2012, 10:59 PM
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Re: I am way, way better off than I was four years ago.
Oct 28, 2012, 11:11 PM
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Go Obama. No return to failed Bushwhacker policies.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Just a a return to failed Obama policies.
Oct 28, 2012, 11:42 PM
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Who needs a budget when you print your own cash amiright?
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All-In [28802]
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I don't really understand this
Oct 28, 2012, 11:58 PM
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Obama needs to run on the success of his own policies after four years in office, not on the failures that got him elected in the first place. If he hasn't done anything to solve the problems that he saw in 2008, then he needs to be voted out. The "no return to failed Bush policies" line seems to be the same thing as Biden saying "the middle class has been buried these last four years."
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All-In [30491]
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It's really quite simple. They have nothing
Oct 29, 2012, 7:47 AM
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to stand on, so if they keep bringing up Bush, they think they win again. I do believe that ship sailed 4 years ago.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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And what is funnier is your ilk will be doing nothing but
Oct 29, 2012, 8:56 AM
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crying about Obama if Romney wins and as expected, doesn't do a darn thing to change anything, lol. All these Repuke losers in here will either be in complete denial anything is wrong in this country now that Obama is gone because as long a Republican is in office things are just WOOOOOONDERFUL, or they will be constantly referencing the mess Obama left Romney. In short, they will be doing everything they hate about what they claim Dems and Obama have done with Bush when the fact is Bush DID leave this country in a complete mess, but most Repukes, especially in here, can't even admit that, understand that, or accept it. Apparently, this country was on Cloud 9 and then "Obummer" took over...I can't imagine being that dedicated to a party or a President.
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All-In [30491]
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What exactly does "ilk" mean? It's a funny sounding word.***
Oct 29, 2012, 9:18 AM
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Ilk
Oct 29, 2012, 9:21 AM
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ilk
noun
family, class, or kind
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All-In [30491]
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So, it's a
Oct 29, 2012, 9:23 AM
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kind family with class?
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Comedy
Oct 29, 2012, 9:28 AM
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comic entertainment: entertainment that is amusing
Study this one a little harder.
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All-TigerNet [12066]
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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If there is legitimate beef to be made, then YES.
Oct 29, 2012, 9:33 AM
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I understand Repukes are used to taking good situations and turning them to crap (see Bush after Clinton), but yes, Democrats and basically anyone with a brain can understand when somebody has passed on a turd sandwich to the next President, except apparently what makes up a large portion of the GOP base these days. I'll never understand why you guys just can't admit Bush left this country in a serious mess. It just baffles me.
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All-TigerNet [12066]
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The childish insults give you much credibility.
Oct 29, 2012, 9:37 AM
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And calling me part of the GOP is funny too. Carry on though
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Didn't see a childish insult in there, but carry on.***
Oct 29, 2012, 9:40 AM
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All-In [30491]
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Re: Didn't see a childish insult in there, but carry on.***
Oct 29, 2012, 9:43 AM
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'Repukes' is this even a word?
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Yeah, it is a word.
Oct 29, 2012, 9:47 AM
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It is a another word for the particularly vile segment of the current Republican base.
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Rock Defender [53]
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You seem to have a lot of pent up anger.***
Oct 29, 2012, 9:49 AM
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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And you seem to use alot of responses that can be
Oct 29, 2012, 9:55 AM
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seen coming a mile away. I'm angry? LOL....just talking, dude. Everyone else on here talks. When a dissenting opinion comes into this Republican stronghold, then it is an angry one. Whatever, dude.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Dude..
Oct 29, 2012, 10:09 AM
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Read your responses...you appear angry.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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You lying about your belief Bush left things in a mess
Oct 29, 2012, 9:49 AM
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to only get to your ultimate goal of making the point Obama has done nothing to fix it is pretty easy to spot, sir. Just stop.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Who's lying? Bush sucked.
Oct 29, 2012, 9:50 AM
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Obama hasn't been any better.
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Rock Defender [53]
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dude. shhh....yer gonna kill his point that all
Oct 29, 2012, 9:56 AM
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"repukes" LOVED Bush.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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They must telepathically try to point that out to people
Oct 29, 2012, 10:01 AM
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here because that thought is very, very, very rarely mentioned.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Why is your screen name from a Clint Eastwood movie?
Oct 29, 2012, 10:12 AM
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He's a libertarian leaning Repuke.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Because I like his movies, especially the Philo Beddoe
Oct 29, 2012, 10:18 AM
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movies. Someone else has that handle, someone that rarely, rarely visits Tigernet, so I have the misspelled one.......and I couldn't care less what an actor's political beliefs are. Clint Eastwood never has and never will be making policy decisions in this country. He can support, however, whoever he likes. Just keep making quality films. That is as far as my interest in Clint goes.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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It has been around for years. You won't find it here
Oct 29, 2012, 9:53 AM
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because there are what, 5 Democrats on this board? lol. This place is like a Tea Party Convention on most days.
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110%er [8243]
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The tea partiers here are obviously very convincing.
Oct 29, 2012, 9:54 AM
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They converted Scorcho, who 8 years ago was you.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Was he this angry?***
Oct 29, 2012, 9:55 AM
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Rock Defender [53]
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Just wondering..how old are you?***
Oct 29, 2012, 10:10 AM
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110%er [8243]
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I was gone from the lounge for about 3 years.
Oct 29, 2012, 10:13 AM
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When I came back, it was interesting to see how the long time political posters on both sides had mellowed and the vitriol had been passed to a new generation.
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Rock Defender [53]
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You're the same age as me....just so much angrier.***
Oct 29, 2012, 10:20 AM
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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LOL......not just angry......in a maddening frenzy of
Oct 29, 2012, 10:22 AM
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hate. Need meds.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Orange Blooded [2394]
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Jeez, the people that take pride in Obummer, Nobama,
Oct 29, 2012, 9:59 AM
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Mama Obama, and the endless other list of names actually get butthurt over the term Repuke? Such thin, thin skin...
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Rock Defender [53]
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Calm down man. It's just an election. No need to
Oct 29, 2012, 10:12 AM
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get so angry.
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Good to see you stopping by, if only to elicit
Oct 29, 2012, 7:42 AM
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the "shocked" responses from those who can't fathom an independent.
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All-In [34110]
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Welcome back, Scorcho.
Oct 29, 2012, 10:36 AM
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Like you, I have no concern about a Romney presidency.
I don't think we're likely to have an electoral vote/popular vote split, although it would be interesting if we did.
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