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Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
Jan 7, 2024, 8:55 AM
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team go 1-19 in a game and have similar problems with Miami?
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Id suggest its we struggle against ranked opponents
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Jan 7, 2024, 8:56 AM
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but that doesn’t track.
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Re: Id suggest its we struggle against ranked opponents
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Jan 7, 2024, 11:08 AM
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When a coach who is historically the second worst coach in Clemson history (since Foster anyway) against ranked opponents, continues to struggle against ranked opponents with his best team ever, does it become logical to question the coach’s role in those struggles?
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Im just saying the data indicates
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Jan 7, 2024, 11:11 AM
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that our struggles aren’t just against ranked opponents. We also struggle against unranked opponents. It’s hard to nail down the common denominator, at least with our opponents.
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Re: Im just saying the data indicates
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Jan 7, 2024, 12:21 PM
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That’s true. Since the data is so far inconclusive it’s reasonable that we keep him in place to continue and collect more data.
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Re: Id suggest its we struggle against ranked opponents
Jan 7, 2024, 8:37 PM
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Check below. Sorry Vizzy, olemike has all the real facts. Good luck.
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Re: Id suggest its we struggle against ranked opponents
Jan 7, 2024, 9:01 PM
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What is Brownell’s record vs ranked opponents? It can’t be good, but is it really worse than Cliff Ellis’ record (at Clemson)? Curious. Thanks in advance.
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Re: Id suggest its we struggle against ranked opponents
Jan 8, 2024, 4:44 AM
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But you say “ranked opponents”, correct? This would mean all ranked opponents and records against. I show Brownell at 25%, 20 of 80 vs 20% you showed 5 years ago. Do you have the actual record at that time? I find it difficult to believe he would have improved 5% in 5 years, but I guess anything is possible. Thanks for the info, correct or not.
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Re: Id suggest its we struggle against ranked opponents
Jan 8, 2024, 7:44 AM
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I posted this back in 2019 and it was AP Top 25 opponents in ACC play, pulled from Sports-Reference.com. At a glance, I see him as 6-8 in the 4 seasons or account for here. Not sure if I saved this spreadsheet to update everything.
My original post was as much about the deteriorating of the ACC as Brownell’s success against it. I counted 14 ranked games in those 4 seasons. That’s down to only 18% of his ACC schedule against ranked opponents. That’s fallen off the cliff. But his performance against them has improved and 2019-20 allowed him top 5 victories.
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Re: Id suggest its we struggle against ranked opponents
Jan 8, 2024, 11:46 AM
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Thanks, you obviously put a lot of work into it and yes, the numbers at that point and since then certainly reflect a weaker ACC via ranking vs previous seasons of decades past. It is disappointing.
I wonder what Brownell’s record has been since this analysis. Assuming it is better, or the angry mob would have posted it by now.
I do appreciate the info, even if it is out of date now. I assume Neff is grading on the last five years and more importantly, this year.
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
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Jan 7, 2024, 9:07 AM
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We went 11-30 which is a 36.7 clip. We scored more points than any team so far this season when playing miami at home.
Did you watch the game? If you watched the game, and think our struggles were similar to the unc game, then you have some issues. This is what in talking about with our basketball "fanbase". Unbelievably delusional.
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
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Jan 7, 2024, 12:00 PM
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This
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
Jan 7, 2024, 12:20 PM
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The legs are the most important part of shooting the basketball. When you are playing with tired legs, 3 point shots become more difficult and often come up short, or at least inconsistent. As good a job as UNC did against us defensively, I thinl we just didn't have our legs under us. Coach Brownell mentioned something about the short turnaround after the Miami game, and I think that is what came back to bite us.
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
Jan 7, 2024, 2:44 PM
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Well that sucks, i agree with the idea I def do but I mean these guys condition all year and come tourney time there are no breaks between games.
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
Jan 7, 2024, 5:29 PM
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Yeah ..... during the ACC tourney or any tournament when games are close together you at least hope you are playing a team that also has tired legs. That's why a bye is way more important than merely not having to play an extra game.
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
Jan 7, 2024, 9:58 AM
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Getting smothered by their defense, and nobody wanting to pass the ball around to work their way into an open 3 point shot. I don't know their names, but if I did I would call them out, but we have a couple of players that will shoot the ball as soon as it touches their fingers with lots of time left on the shot clock...
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
Jan 7, 2024, 10:04 AM
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Typically related to being overly excited for a big game. Home team misses the first few shots and the visitors start off hot. This causes the home team to press harder which only makes the problem worse. The movie “The Replacements”refer to it as quicksand. He harder you try the deeper you sink
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
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Jan 7, 2024, 10:07 AM
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The NC defense staying in Girard’s pocket all day doesn’t help either. They did a very good job of just not letting him get loose. We had one possession where he got 2 really good open looks and missed both but other than that they smothered him all day.
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Exactly
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Jan 7, 2024, 11:58 AM
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He was absolutely smothered all day, so on the rare occasion he actually had an open look, there was that much more pressure . . . plus he was probably worn down
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Re: Exactly
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Jan 7, 2024, 2:20 PM
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Yep. When you’re being defended that way you run your tail off trying to get open. Very tiring and frustrating.
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Brad's gotta adjust and . . .
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Jan 7, 2024, 2:40 PM
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other guys are going to have to step up
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Could be in games where we are expected to win, but win close, like these
Jan 7, 2024, 10:42 AM
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past two, we tighten up. But I'm just guessing really.
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
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Jan 7, 2024, 11:03 AM
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It's almost like the other coach teaches their players how to defend us...
but we can't do the same to the other team and are always surprised by what they do...
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
Jan 7, 2024, 1:13 PM
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Why is bb stuff being posted on the fb page?
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Good teams play defense ?
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Jan 7, 2024, 5:55 PM
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And shooters get tight against good teams and in close games.
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
Jan 7, 2024, 6:12 PM
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Who is the very good 3 point shooting team you speak of?
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I blame Saturday on the extra HVAC work at hand creating a
Jan 7, 2024, 6:32 PM
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swirling vortex or new and different air around the rim for our home boys on those long ones. Many were open and uncontested - it mattered not. Swirling vortex.
We scored 82 at Miami so the air flow wasn't the issue.
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Because sometimes teams have off nights?***
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Re: Because sometimes coaches have off 14 seasons?******
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
Jan 7, 2024, 7:03 PM
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Offensive coordinator. Figure out who it is.
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
Jan 8, 2024, 11:51 AM
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I asked The Oculus that very question 2 days ago. The all knowing replied this morning.
It said , “What is basketball”?
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Maybe has to do with their good perimeter defense. But we did miss some open
Jan 8, 2024, 11:54 AM
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3's too. Looks like we were rattled in the second half and the more we tried and missed our confidence dropped. It kind of had the appearance that we gave up at the end of the game, but maybe wouldn't go as far as to say that.
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Re: Honest question: why does a very good 3 point shooting
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Jan 8, 2024, 1:40 PM
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Because they are too focused on getting the 3 pt shots off on every possession rather than going inside at least one of every three possessions! Even two if you are cold from the outside! Brownell has never learned this lesson!
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