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Re: Finally some action as a result of Isaiah Crowells post!
Jul 13, 2016, 2:19 PM
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He needs to be fired immediately!!! The NFL has become a home for plenty of Thugs with all their beds habits and problems. The NFL is developing into an accident waiting to happen. I would not waste my hard earned cash to watch a bunch of overpaid thugs. Of course there are many exceptions but far too many are as I describe
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Hold your 'taters.
Jul 13, 2016, 2:43 PM
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> He needs to be fired immediately!!!
He can't be, that would be a violation of his constitutional right to say dumb stuff.
Funny how people want the constitution for themselves, but not so much for others.
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IMO the constitution's freedom of speech figured people would not
Jul 13, 2016, 2:48 PM
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Abuse it. For example if someone threatens to cause you bodily harm is this illegal or freedom of speech. I think the writers of the constitution figured people would use common sense.
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Re: Hold your 'taters.
Jul 13, 2016, 2:51 PM
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The constitution only applies to what the federal government can't do, not the private sector.
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He has a constitutional right to play in the NFL? Wow!***
Jul 13, 2016, 3:01 PM
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Absolutely not.
Jul 13, 2016, 4:09 PM
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Inflamitory speech is not protected. You are not protected by the constitution if you yell fire in a crowded theatre. Speach which starts a riot or inflames a riotious crowd is not protected. Everybody has a right to safety. Any speech which threatens another's safety is not protected.
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Funnny how a Columbia fireman and a
Jul 13, 2016, 4:55 PM
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Richland county EMS worker were both fired for making social media comments about black lives matter. Why the double standard? Crowell should be suspended at a minimum.
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Re: Funnny how a Columbia fireman and a
Jul 13, 2016, 9:06 PM
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they were just saying what most other people were thinking! I certainly would not run over them but something has to be don e to clear the roads!
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Constitution just says no laws can be made against speech
Jul 14, 2016, 7:52 AM
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doesnt say a private employer cant impose their own sanctions
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Re: Finally some action as a result of Isaiah Crowells post!
Jul 13, 2016, 5:14 PM
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That attitude gets innocent people killed. We can't forgive one person's mistake and whole the next person's feet to the fire. Especially when didn't kill anyone.
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You (Crowell) protest because you want consequences for others
Jul 13, 2016, 2:23 PM
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actions, then act shocked when there is consequences for your actions. Irony, it ain't just a river in Egypt.
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I am for freedom of speech and peoples rights to express their
Jul 13, 2016, 2:37 PM
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own opinions. If the NFL sets certain rules to follow by playing in the NFL Crowell has agreed to follow those rules. If he does not want to follow the NFL rules and guidelines he can quit playing football.
Freedom of speech comes with some consequences.
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I agree totally.***
Jul 13, 2016, 2:47 PM
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Re: I am for freedom of speech and peoples rights to express their
Jul 13, 2016, 3:45 PM
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I agree. If the NFL has rules against such behavior and he agree to and violated them, then they can fire him as many times as they like....for breach of contract.
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That's a slippery slope.
Jul 13, 2016, 2:23 PM
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If the NFL wants to come up with some discipline, that's fine. I have no idea what the precedent for dumb social media posts is. Police unions threatening not to work games sends a bad message though. Do they not serve and protect every citizen? Aren't there a lot of people at Browns' games who aren't Crowell?
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Re: That's a slippery slope.
Jul 13, 2016, 2:46 PM
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I'm not saying you're wrong but how many times you gonna get punched in the face before you fight back?
Athletes are coddled way too much as is and social media is such a huge part of everyday life these days...someone with such a high profile, like his,should be punished for posting something that wretched and reckless on a public forum. Just like police aren't professional athletes held to a higher standard and supposed to role models for younger generations?
If he had posted something offensive about homosexuals, he would've been drawn and quartered by now.
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Funny thing about that dang 1st Amendment.
Jul 13, 2016, 2:40 PM
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It allows speech we don't agree with.
damm constitution, gets in the way of everthing.
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So this is acceptable?
Jul 13, 2016, 2:43 PM
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Re: So this is acceptable?
Jul 13, 2016, 3:16 PM
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No, it's ugly and stupid. But it's constitutionally protected free speech.
Hey, if you gonna love the 2nd amendment you gotta love the 1st too.
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Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from being fired.***
Jul 13, 2016, 3:23 PM
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Re: Freedom of speech doesn't protect you from being fired.***
Jul 13, 2016, 3:32 PM
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Oh hail yes it does. What do you think "Constitutionally protected right" means?
The Browns or the NFL are not going to fire them.
If they coulda, they woulda, because they can't.
You should be glad of that...
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How old are you?
Jul 13, 2016, 4:22 PM
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Do you have a job? I challenge you to write anything on social media that says:
I hate all (the N word)!
I am going to kill all you (insert ethnicity here) at work!
The (insert CEO's name here) of this company is a stupid, cheating, (insert offensive religious or ethnic statement here), and someone should kill him!
I guarantee you will not have a job for long, once someone sees it, and get's a lot of publicity around it.
Constitutional Free Speech ABSOLUTELY doesn't keep your from being fired.
Unless you are a professor....
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Once again, Curt Schilling was fired because he said things
Jul 13, 2016, 5:13 PM
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that went "against" ESPN policy. He didn't threaten anyone, it was an opinion. He had the right to say them without being persecuted by the US Govt., he did not, however, have the right to keep working when ESPN fired him. Why should the NFL be any different? It's a business.
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So Curt Schilling gets his job back at ESPN? The 1st Amend.
Jul 13, 2016, 2:45 PM
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gives you the right to say it, not the right to dodge the consequences of saying it.
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Re: That's not free speech that's reckless....that's suggesting
Jul 13, 2016, 3:26 PM
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Horse pucky. Do you get upset when the KKK has rallies advocating the killing of black people, Jews, Catholics and virtually everyone with a full set of teeth?
All I'm saying is that if the only speech allowed was speech that was "acceptable" then there's no such thing as free speech.
You can hate him, write bad things about him and give him the finger if you want to. But you can't fire him....and the NFL knows that.
The Constitution is powerful precisely because it protects ALL Americans, not just middle aged Christian white guys.
Freedom isn't always easy, but it's the best plan out there.
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Re: That's not free speech that's reckless....that's suggesting
Jul 13, 2016, 3:28 PM
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Yes you can....its best you stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole. The constitution only protects you from the government, not employers.
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Re: That's not free speech that's reckless....that's suggesting
Jul 13, 2016, 3:30 PM
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This might be some of the dumbest drivel I've seen on here. They can absolutely fire him if they see fit just as Paula Deen was fired just as Curt schilling was fired etc.
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Re: That's not free speech that's reckless....that's suggesting
Jul 13, 2016, 3:41 PM
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> This might be some of the dumbest drivel I've seen on > here. They can absolutely fire him if they see fit > just as Paula Deen was fired just as Curt schilling > was fired etc.
Paula Dean was not fired, the Food Network announced that her contract would not be renewed once it expired. But it had to be allowed to expire. Shilling was fired for being an idiot who had been warned a dozen times about his tastelessness.
I promise you, if the NFL fires him, he'll sue the bejeezus out of them. He will argue that it was political speech.
It's ugly and offensive, but freedom for one means freedom for all when it comes to political speech.
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Cromwell signed a contract saying that he'd adhere
Jul 13, 2016, 5:10 PM
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To certain rules in order to receive that huge salary.....Ya gotta believe the NFLPU probably isn't going to go to bat for him unless they're convinced of winning the case
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Re: That's not free speech that's reckless....that's suggesting
Jul 14, 2016, 1:10 PM
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> Just stop, you're making yourself look even more > ignorant of the constitution. >
Your right, I was wrong. I was thinking of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which extends certain protections into the private sector and got them confused in my mind. I made a logical leap in error.
Thanks for being clear about that.
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Re: That's not free speech that's reckless....that's suggesting
Jul 13, 2016, 3:34 PM
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I hope you really don't believe that, if you do walk into your job tomorrow and say we should kill all the managers in this company and see how long you hang around for. Your right you will not be arrested but you will find yourself fired.
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Re: That's not free speech that's reckless....that's suggesting
Jul 13, 2016, 3:43 PM
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Of course you would. The constitution doesn't guarantee you the right to threaten the managers at your job. That's not speech, thats a threat.
But if you go into work and tell them that it is your heartfelt belief that they should offer transgender bathrooms, and they fire you? You'll own the company.
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wrong again, please stop, do a google search on constitution
Jul 14, 2016, 8:01 AM
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and how it is applied. You are making yourself look so stupid
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You don't understand the first amendment.
Jul 13, 2016, 3:48 PM
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No one has advocating that he be arrested by the government. Some are saying he should be kicked out of the NFL or released by the Browns.
People get fired for saying things that are inappropriate every single day. Your protected right of free speech does not mean everyone and everything associated with you must deal with the consequences.
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Re: That's not free speech that's reckless....that's suggesting
Jul 13, 2016, 4:08 PM
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I oppose any group or individual that trys to incite violence, and that's exactly what he did with that post. You yourself characterized it as a threat in a post below.
Are you unaware of the tremendous amount of influence these athletes have not to mention some have gang affiliations? Call to arms is more like it.
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Re: That's not free speech that's reckless....that's suggesting
Jul 13, 2016, 5:28 PM
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Here is my freedom of speech! Your comment about middle aged white guys just shows you know nothing of true Christians! Your comment was ignorant and stupid!
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The 1st amendment protects him from being
Jul 13, 2016, 4:17 PM
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jailed by the government, not public criticism or negative repercussions from an employer. Why do people not understand this? Do we not teach this in Social Studies anymore?
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Re: Funny thing about that dang 1st Amendment.
Jul 13, 2016, 5:20 PM
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People seem to think that the 1rst amendment only works one way. People can say any stupid thing they want without repercussion. I also have the right to tell them that what they said is stupid! Also it is illegal to threaten murder! That may not be that slippery of a slope to punish. I do not think he should be fired but I do think a fine and or suspension guys the crime. Heck they went bisirk over the amount of air in a ball..........
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Re: Funny thing about that dang 1st Amendment.
Jul 13, 2016, 6:08 PM
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Only two amendments matter, 2nd and 5th. The rest are bs. Freedom of speech only goes one way, see firefighter that was terminated in cola for similar actions.
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Screw that, let him play
Jul 13, 2016, 2:56 PM
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Then the Browns can donate his check to the police dept. Let him do some ride alongs with the officers on third shift for a few weeks. Then let's see what he posts online.
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Re: Finally some action as a result of Isaiah Crowells post!
Jul 13, 2016, 3:44 PM
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If they're required to do that as a public service & refuse, they should be fired without benefits. If it's a private detail, I have no problem with it. I'm going to assume this is a public service but if it turns out this is completely private, disregard my post.
The thing that makes the police what they are is that they rise above the outside noise in times like this. Regardless of whether a shooting was justified or a mistake, when they are protested, they still protect the people protesting against them. This was evidenced in Dallas last week, and in other occurrences in the past. They are here to serve & protect and they don't get to choose who they serve & protect regardless of how vile the opposition is. That's what makes the police the institution it is.
What Crowell posted was hideous and he deserves MASSIVE levels of criticism. The fact that this hasn't gotten more coverage is ridiculous. When Eagles WR Riley Cooper got drunk at a concert and called a bouncer a racial slur, it was talked about for days! Crowell's mishap, even if it was a mishap, deserves more attention. Whether he deserves to be suspended, cut, fined, whatever, is up to other people. But it deserves to be talked about the way other instances have been talked about.
With that said, police are supposed to be above this. Their ability to still do what's right, even when people are spitting in their faces, is what has kept them in tact for all these years. If this policemen were to walk away from their post due to this, it be an extremely bad sign of things to come.
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Re: Finally some action as a result of Isaiah Crowells post!
Jul 13, 2016, 6:12 PM
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I was thinking about the police who walked away from their duty at the WNBA game the other night and at first I certainly see their point, but after thinking more about it, I became disappointed in them. Their duty was not to protect the players who were wearing debatably offensive t-shirts for warmups. Their duty was to provide security, to protect and serve those in and around the arena, and they simply failed in that duty by allowing their emotions to get the best of them. To walk away from a duty to serve several thousand (and yes, that may be a charitable number for a WNBA game) over a dozen or so that offend you exposes some poor judgment that should be dealt with.
As for this scenario, the police force does not exactly have jurisdiction to tell the ball club exactly how to punish Crowell. And even if it is voluntary public service, I could understand them deciding to make the team provide their own paid security detail, but again, they are their not as representatives for the team or the players, but as those who would protect and serve those in and around the stadium.
As for Crowell, I have little use for him and hope that his legally prepared apology does not fool too many. He has shown himself on multiple occasions to lack character and judgment, and this instance (as someone who represents and organization and a city) should merit dismissal in my opinion, but as you stated, that is someone else's job.
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You do know that work is paid work, not part
Jul 13, 2016, 8:06 PM
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Of their job. None of the cops have to work anything like that.
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Re: You do know that work is paid work, not part
Jul 14, 2016, 6:05 PM
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But if they agreed to show up for their "paid" work and then walked off, they are neglecting much more than the players that offended them or the organization that allowed the players to do it.
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a dare to those saying there are no consequences to anything
Jul 13, 2016, 5:59 PM
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you say... that you can't be fired, because the Constitution protects free speech. At the next company meeting, stand up and tell an off-color or racist joke. Or comment on how the new receptionist has a huge rack and you'd love to motorboat those bad boys.
I triple dog dare you.
Yes, you have the right to say it. And you also have the right to start looking for another job the next day.
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Yell "FIRE," in a crowded public building and...
Jul 13, 2016, 8:26 PM
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you'll face the judge. The post was inflammatory.
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