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Hate to see it......
Mar 2, 2022, 10:10 PM
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I'm sure these last few games have been tough for the crowd with Brownell Derangement syndrome.
For the record, I have been on the fence with a slight lean to firing brownell for most of the year. These last few games have made me rethink, as our future with PJ, Schef, and middlebrooks look bright. Add in the supporting cast for next year and I would be happy to give BB 1 more year to make some noise.
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Doesn't he always save his tail with the last few games
Mar 2, 2022, 10:14 PM
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and promising young players ?
Sometimes that give him one more year crowd needs silencing. That's been happening the last FIVE years.
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Re: Doesn't he always save his tail with the last few games
Mar 2, 2022, 10:16 PM
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Can you provide examples? We went to the sweet 16 and made the tourney in the last 5 years.
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Re: Doesn't he always save his tail with the last few games
Mar 3, 2022, 12:41 AM
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I would have fired him 8 years ago, so take this opinion for what it's worth. He took over a program that was a consistent tourney team. He rode that for a year. He's tried to redefine expectations based on the '60s and '70s, ignoring the recent history of Clemson Basketball. Now there are folks trying to justify his results based on his own history.
And...results against media expectations are as relevant as my dog's opinion of Clemson basketball. I don't care what you score on a test that you've written.
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Re: Doesn't he always save his tail with the last few games
Mar 2, 2022, 10:22 PM
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I think the jury is still out on that till we hear. I suspect he expects to be back or he would have played Beadle some. The fact he redshirted Beadle from the start leads me to think this year wasn't make of break in his mind but who knows. I also wonder how with this lineup he couldnt get some pt.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 2, 2022, 10:14 PM
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I would be open to it if he wins the ACC tournament.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 2, 2022, 11:19 PM
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We're 0-4 against quad 1 teams, and 3-8 against quad 2 teams. So yeah, we looked good and almost beat Duke at Cameron. A lot of teams can say that. You can justify it by saying we beat wake. But wake was down their 2 great forwards also. Tonight we looked good but you have to consider ga tech is bad, and they're even worse tonight because their floor general Devion didn't play. That's where I think you have to take off the orange shades and look at it impartial and say 12 years is enough. Yes, the blind squirl had one good season and made the 16.
We have way too many games each season where the team underperformed. To me, that's not good coaching. Jmo.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 2, 2022, 11:39 PM
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You said previously unless he wins the ACCT he should be replaced. Now he beats a few really bad teams and his 12 year resume all of the sudden looks good enough for a few more years? Bc if you don’t fire him this year then the excuse will be that the buyout is too big for the amount of relief we get, since the buyout is basically the same whether we fire him now or in a couple years. Not sure these 3 games are enough to justify a few more years. Especially bc we are locked into finishing somewhere between 10th and 13th in one of the worst years in ACC history. Really glad we’ve gotten some wins and it will help us recruit a new coach, but the hay has been in the barn since the BC game. Even if he is brought back as a lame duck, interest in the program will be at an all-time low. So if that happens, please don’t start lecturing alums about NoT sUpPoRtInG tHe PrOgRaM because we’ve made it very clear we want to try new leadership, for better or worse.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 3, 2022, 12:29 AM
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What’s hilarious is you just knew Brad would come on here to brag about a comeback win against a really, really bad GT team.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 3, 2022, 12:37 AM
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I'm sure these last few games have been tough for the crowd with Brownell Derangement syndrome. For the record, I have been on the fence with a slight lean to firing brownell for most of the year. These last few games have made me rethink, as our future with PJ, Schef, and middlebrooks look bright. Add in the supporting cast for next year and I would be happy to give BB 1 more year to make some noise.
Listen at 21 minute mark. Two best insiders in college basketball and TO:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x0YDwrz46oE
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 3, 2022, 12:37 AM
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I'm sure these last few games have been tough for the crowd with Brownell Derangement syndrome. For the record, I have been on the fence with a slight lean to firing brownell for most of the year. These last few games have made me rethink, as our future with PJ, Schef, and middlebrooks look bright. Add in the supporting cast for next year and I would be happy to give BB 1 more year to make some noise.
Listen at 21 minute mark. Two best insiders in college basketball and TO:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x0YDwrz46oE
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 3, 2022, 9:23 AM
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Wow. Another nothing burger of an interview. I'd be open to listen to some inside knowledge, but as TO stated, everyone is very tight lipped.
Everything else is all speculation by people that don't know Clemson basketball as well as I do.
I do agree with TO where he said it's probably 65% that he's back. I agree with this this and it is currently how I feel.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 3, 2022, 9:58 AM
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He used the term “nothing burger” which means he’s a lib. No wonder he will tolerate Brad and this garbage for a few more years. At LeAsT bRaD iSnT tRuMp.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 3, 2022, 12:49 PM
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He used the term “nothing burger” which means he’s a lib. No wonder he will tolerate Brad and this garbage for a few more years. At LeAsT bRaD iSnT tRuMp.
Negative snowflake. You being absolutely irrational and delusional make you seem like the lib type.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 3, 2022, 10:14 AM
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Wow. Another nothing burger of an interview. I'd be open to listen to some inside knowledge, but as TO stated, everyone is very tight lipped.
Everything else is all speculation by people that don't know Clemson basketball as well as I do.
I do agree with TO where he said it's probably 65% that he's back. I agree with this this and it is currently how I feel.
And how do you know that Goodman and JB don't have inside sources let's say middlemen or contacts that know of agents of coaches being contacted to gage their interest?
They don't just throw names out there for nothing.
You heard Goodman. When talked to DRad after the sweet sixteen, he was hesitant about an extension You can talk about fans knowing more, but this is these guys careers. They are the college football writer Mark Schlabach of college basketball.. They know when it is a matter of time like Goodman mentioned. A dwindling buyout is the first sign that an AD is waiting for the timing is right to make a change.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 3, 2022, 1:12 PM
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Wow. Another nothing burger of an interview. I'd be open to listen to some inside knowledge, but as TO stated, everyone is very tight lipped.
Everything else is all speculation by people that don't know Clemson basketball as well as I do.
I do agree with TO where he said it's probably 65% that he's back. I agree with this this and it is currently how I feel. And how do you know that Goodman and JB don't have inside sources let's say middlemen or contacts that know of agents of coaches being contacted to gage their interest? They don't just throw names out there for nothing. You heard Goodman. When talked to DRad after the sweet sixteen, he was hesitant about an extension You can talk about fans knowing more, but this is these guys careers. They are the college football writer Mark Schlabach of college basketball.. They know when it is a matter of time like Goodman mentioned. A dwindling buyout is the first sign that an AD is waiting for the timing is right to make a change.
So you are saying based on this interview, you believe that there is a good chance that Clemson has reached out to the 2 coaches mentioned in the podcast? I have a real hard time believing that.
I don't really care what Goodman or JB new about our program 4 years ago when he spoke to Brownell. I doubt he could name our entire roster, or recruiting class. Again, I don't care about his OPINION. He has no inside sources within the Clemson program and it showed in the interview.
Again, TO probably has the best knowledge of clemson and he said 65% he stays. That is about where I sit. Brownell isn't going anywhere.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 3, 2022, 2:00 PM
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Wow. Another nothing burger of an interview. I'd be open to listen to some inside knowledge, but as TO stated, everyone is very tight lipped.
Everything else is all speculation by people that don't know Clemson basketball as well as I do.
I do agree with TO where he said it's probably 65% that he's back. I agree with this this and it is currently how I feel. And how do you know that Goodman and JB don't have inside sources let's say middlemen or contacts that know of agents of coaches being contacted to gage their interest? They don't just throw names out there for nothing. You heard Goodman. When talked to DRad after the sweet sixteen, he was hesitant about an extension You can talk about fans knowing more, but this is these guys careers. They are the college football writer Mark Schlabach of college basketball.. They know when it is a matter of time like Goodman mentioned. A dwindling buyout is the first sign that an AD is waiting for the timing is right to make a change. So you are saying based on this interview, you believe that there is a good chance that Clemson has reached out to the 2 coaches mentioned in the podcast? I have a real hard time believing that. I don't really care what Goodman or JB new about our program 4 years ago when he spoke to Brownell. I doubt he could name our entire roster, or recruiting class. Again, I don't care about his OPINION. He has no inside sources within the Clemson program and it showed in the interview. Again, TO probably has the best knowledge of clemson and he said 65% he stays. That is about where I sit. Brownell isn't going anywhere.
And TO said he did not know what they are saying on the street when asked by Goodman. He said there are about 4 streets with differences of opinion. He knows jack. he said we are going to find a lot about Neff in a few weeks. Because basketball and baseball need to be decent, and Neff can't tough Football.
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That’s one thing I’ll agree with you on…
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Mar 4, 2022, 5:39 PM
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Those guys are know-nothing hack journalists.
Including TO.
Loved TO as a player, but he’s gotten even more into himself in this “journalist/analyst” role.
Credit to him though…he even admitted in this podcast that he doesn’t know anything.
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Re: That’s one thing I’ll agree with you on…
Mar 4, 2022, 7:19 PM
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Those guys are know-nothing hack journalists.
Including TO.
Loved TO as a player, but he’s gotten even more into himself in this “journalist/analyst” role.
Credit to him though…he even admitted in this podcast that he doesn’t know anything.
I disagree. These guys are the top of guys for college basketball legitimate rumors, just like the same ones for college football on espn and other sites you see. if you actually listened to the whole show on the link, they mentioned even though they were rumors that coach Patrick Ewing was going to be let go they had some Intel that he would not be let go, but would be indicated to make changes on his staff. That came out the in the last 24 hours that he is coming back but making those changes.
These guys have feelers in the industry like middle men of agent coaches,and others. They judge things things buyout amount, how those are paid out, coaching movement, and other factors. They are not always right but get a number correct.
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Thank God
Mar 3, 2022, 1:21 AM
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None of you people on this board do the hiring and firing. There is now a crowd begging for a firing just so they can celebrate their constant chirping. It is driving them crazy that this team is showing spirit and fight. He‘a coming back.
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Re: Thank God
Mar 3, 2022, 1:26 AM
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No, we love seeing the team win. We love Clemson basketball. We also have been watching the last 12 years and know that we need to make a change to get back to where we were. We also are hopeful the next guy can breakthrough where Barnes and Purnell got the program.
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Re: the last 12 years
Mar 3, 2022, 9:38 AM
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Re: the last 12 years
Mar 3, 2022, 7:05 PM
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Anybody want to put any money on if we are talking about this again next year. This seems to be along the lines of SC football and the wait till next year crowd. I quit saying it after I realized SC uses it every year but I always had that feeling with Bowden football teams.
Brownell has returning talent and should be above average next year barring any significant injuries but where are we at in the big picture. Does anyone think he will lead us to the top 4-5 in the league. I love to win and like I said many times love Brownell as a person and as a mentor to the players but we are what we have been if he stays. Sounds like some are happy with that and if the admin is as well then he might as well stay on.
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Re: Thank God
Mar 4, 2022, 10:18 AM
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No, we love seeing the team win. We love Clemson basketball. We also have been watching the last 12 years and know that we need to make a change to get back to where we were. We also are hopeful the next guy can breakthrough where Barnes and Purnell got the program.
You are right. I'd much rather have Oliver Purnell, who couldn't win an NCAA tourney game, only won 3 ACC tourney games in his 7 years, rarely beat ranked teams, and is a POS human that had an affair and left Clemson in the middle of the night.
He was so good. His last 4 years, he beat less to an half the ranked teams brownell has beat the last 4 years.
I really just want to go back to Purnell. Worse results/accomplishments than brownell, but his press was exciting.
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Re: Thank God
Mar 4, 2022, 10:50 AM
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No, we love seeing the team win. We love Clemson basketball. We also have been watching the last 12 years and know that we need to make a change to get back to where we were. We also are hopeful the next guy can breakthrough where Barnes and Purnell got the program. You are right. I'd much rather have Oliver Purnell, who couldn't win an NCAA tourney game, only won 3 ACC tourney games in his 7 years, rarely beat ranked teams, and is a POS human that had an affair and left Clemson in the middle of the night. He was so good. His last 4 years, he beat less to an half the ranked teams brownell has beat the last 4 years. I really just want to go back to Purnell. Worse results/accomplishments than brownell, but his press was exciting.
lol. ok. OP didn't accomplish anything. You can hate on OP peronally. I can understand that how he left, but to say he didn't accomplish anything is ludicrous. I think you let your personal feelings get in the way. Again, don't blame you. I don't like how OP left either. It happens to lot of coaches, head got too big and took a job that was too big for him at DePaul. If he had an affair, OK, not good. Not giving him a pass, but was considered a very good coach who ran a clean program.
How about when he was an Assistant at Maryland and Lefty Drisell wanted him to clean up Lynn Bias's room after ODed on drugs. OP refused to.
Besides these few accomplishments also first Clemson coach to have four straight
20 win seasons. One of the few coaches to take four different programs to the NCAAT. He was considered a program builder. It took him about 3 years to dig out of the gutter that was Larry Shyatt. He did it at all four programs he built. Don't see Brad doing that.
And as far as beating good teams, he did that just about as much as Brad. Beat a real good Illinois team on the road who was a high seed in the NCAAT, Beat a good Purdue team that went to the NCAAT without one of the key starters James Mays, beat Butler a high ranked team that finished in the National Championship game, beat a good Temple team that went to the NCAAT, won at Miss State which was probably that win away from making the NCAAT, as well as other good teams. Also hosted two top 10 match ups with Wake and Duke.
And rest with the Three straight NCAAT loses. There are hall of fame coaches who lost three straight NCAATs at a school. He wasn't perfect but Brad certainly is not as well.
read this:
https://clemsontigers.com/black-history-month-oliver-purnell/![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association.
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Re: Thank God
Mar 4, 2022, 11:37 AM
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No, we love seeing the team win. We love Clemson basketball. We also have been watching the last 12 years and know that we need to make a change to get back to where we were. We also are hopeful the next guy can breakthrough where Barnes and Purnell got the program. You are right. I'd much rather have Oliver Purnell, who couldn't win an NCAA tourney game, only won 3 ACC tourney games in his 7 years, rarely beat ranked teams, and is a POS human that had an affair and left Clemson in the middle of the night. He was so good. His last 4 years, he beat less to an half the ranked teams brownell has beat the last 4 years. I really just want to go back to Purnell. Worse results/accomplishments than brownell, but his press was exciting. lol. ok. OP didn't accomplish anything. You can hate on OP peronally. I can understand that how he left, but to say he didn't accomplish anything is ludicrous. I think you let your personal feelings get in the way. Again, don't blame you. I don't like how OP left either. It happens to lot of coaches, head got too big and took a job that was too big for him at DePaul. If he had an affair, OK, not good. Not giving him a pass, but was considered a very good coach who ran a clean program. How about when he was an Assistant at Maryland and Lefty Drisell wanted him to clean up Lynn Bias's room after ODed on drugs. OP refused to. Besides these few accomplishments also first Clemson coach to have four straight 20 win seasons. One of the few coaches to take four different programs to the NCAAT. He was considered a program builder. It took him about 3 years to dig out of the gutter that was Larry Shyatt. He did it at all four programs he built. Don't see Brad doing that. And as far as beating good teams, he did that just about as much as Brad. Beat a real good Illinois team on the road who was a high seed in the NCAAT, Beat a good Purdue team that went to the NCAAT without one of the key starters James Mays, beat Butler a high ranked team that finished in the National Championship game, beat a good Temple team that went to the NCAAT, won at Miss State which was probably that win away from making the NCAAT, as well as other good teams. Also hosted two top 10 match ups with Wake and Duke. And rest with the Three straight NCAAT loses. There are hall of fame coaches who lost three straight NCAATs at a school. He wasn't perfect but Brad certainly is not as well. read this: https://clemsontigers.com/black-history-month-oliver-purnell/![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association. ![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association. ![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association.
Purnell had half of the ranked wins that BB has had in 4 years. Half.
You continue to spout that he had 4 20 win seasons in a row and that is so great. Well 1 of those seasons we started off 17-0 and didn't make the tournament. That was incredibly embarrassing.
Did you know brownell has had 3 20 win seasons in 5 years? Yes I'm counting last year's team because we would have won 20 if we played a full schedule.
Personally, I would rather have 20 win seasons in 3 out of 5 years while going to the sweet 16, beat unc on the road, and beat many highly ranked teams, than have 4 years of 20 win seasons in a row while not winning a tourney game and rarely beating ranked teams.
Just admit your expectations for brownell are significantly higher than they were under OP
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Re: Thank God
Mar 4, 2022, 11:47 AM
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No, we love seeing the team win. We love Clemson basketball. We also have been watching the last 12 years and know that we need to make a change to get back to where we were. We also are hopeful the next guy can breakthrough where Barnes and Purnell got the program. You are right. I'd much rather have Oliver Purnell, who couldn't win an NCAA tourney game, only won 3 ACC tourney games in his 7 years, rarely beat ranked teams, and is a POS human that had an affair and left Clemson in the middle of the night. He was so good. His last 4 years, he beat less to an half the ranked teams brownell has beat the last 4 years. I really just want to go back to Purnell. Worse results/accomplishments than brownell, but his press was exciting. lol. ok. OP didn't accomplish anything. You can hate on OP peronally. I can understand that how he left, but to say he didn't accomplish anything is ludicrous. I think you let your personal feelings get in the way. Again, don't blame you. I don't like how OP left either. It happens to lot of coaches, head got too big and took a job that was too big for him at DePaul. If he had an affair, OK, not good. Not giving him a pass, but was considered a very good coach who ran a clean program. How about when he was an Assistant at Maryland and Lefty Drisell wanted him to clean up Lynn Bias's room after ODed on drugs. OP refused to. Besides these few accomplishments also first Clemson coach to have four straight 20 win seasons. One of the few coaches to take four different programs to the NCAAT. He was considered a program builder. It took him about 3 years to dig out of the gutter that was Larry Shyatt. He did it at all four programs he built. Don't see Brad doing that. And as far as beating good teams, he did that just about as much as Brad. Beat a real good Illinois team on the road who was a high seed in the NCAAT, Beat a good Purdue team that went to the NCAAT without one of the key starters James Mays, beat Butler a high ranked team that finished in the National Championship game, beat a good Temple team that went to the NCAAT, won at Miss State which was probably that win away from making the NCAAT, as well as other good teams. Also hosted two top 10 match ups with Wake and Duke. And rest with the Three straight NCAAT loses. There are hall of fame coaches who lost three straight NCAATs at a school. He wasn't perfect but Brad certainly is not as well. read this: https://clemsontigers.com/black-history-month-oliver-purnell/![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association. ![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association. ![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association. ![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association. ![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association. ![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association. ![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association. Purnell had half of the ranked wins that BB has had in 4 years. Half. You continue to spout that he had 4 20 win seasons in a row and that is so great. Well 1 of those seasons we started off 17-0 and didn't make the tournament. That was incredibly embarrassing. Did you know brownell has had 3 20 win seasons in 5 years? Yes I'm counting last year's team because we would have won 20 if we played a full schedule. Personally, I would rather have 20 win seasons in 3 out of 5 years while going to the sweet 16, beat unc on the road, and beat many highly ranked teams, than have 4 years of 20 win seasons in a row while not winning a tourney game and rarely beating ranked teams. Just admit your expectations for brownell are significantly higher than they were under OP
Would of could of should of.
I'm stating facts.
Again, Brad has accomplished a lot but not as consistent his last four years like OP or Barnes. Both had three straight NCAAs. Brad will not have after this third steaight season, again.
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Re: Thank God
Mar 4, 2022, 5:05 PM
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Also, to be fair - the ACC was much better back in OP days. Also, IMO - winning a play in game should not be a tournament win. The sweet 16 was a positive achievement. Yes, BB did coach the team when we beat UNC - but unc has had some pretty bad teams recently. But, as I am married to a unc grad and my best friend went to unc - it was great getting it over with.
OP teams were fun, exciting, athletic. They also could not shoot free throws.
BB has not improved from OP. Not as exciting and we clearly are not athletic. More organized and can shoot free throws.
After 12 years, we have enough of a sample to firmly understand where BB can take Clemson and where he cannot. In an engineering model, you would pull the high (sweet 16) and the low and then model it.
It’s time to give someone else a shot. As they say - the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Give someone else a chance. IMO, this should have been done after year 5. Now we accept mediocrity and the oxygen has been removed from the average fan base. Students are not really engaged. Get me a charismatic innovator and let’s go! Otherwise, we will be discussing this again next year, and year after. We will end up being Vandy football.
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Re: Thank God
Mar 4, 2022, 8:14 PM
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See this is where you lose credibility with me in this brownell vs op debate. Do you seriously consider OP's campaign where we started 17-0 and didn't make the tourney successful compared to last year? The 06-07 team beat 3 tourney teams, 1 ranked team, and went 1 and done in the acc tourney. More importantly we dealt with the national embarrassment of starting 17-0 and not making the tourney.
Last years team beat a school record 8 tourney teams, 2 ranked teams, went one and done in the acc and ncaa. They did this without playing a cupcake out of conference schedule and playing 8 less games.
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Re: Thank God
Mar 4, 2022, 11:37 AM
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No, we love seeing the team win. We love Clemson basketball. We also have been watching the last 12 years and know that we need to make a change to get back to where we were. We also are hopeful the next guy can breakthrough where Barnes and Purnell got the program. You are right. I'd much rather have Oliver Purnell, who couldn't win an NCAA tourney game, only won 3 ACC tourney games in his 7 years, rarely beat ranked teams, and is a POS human that had an affair and left Clemson in the middle of the night. He was so good. His last 4 years, he beat less to an half the ranked teams brownell has beat the last 4 years. I really just want to go back to Purnell. Worse results/accomplishments than brownell, but his press was exciting. lol. ok. OP didn't accomplish anything. You can hate on OP peronally. I can understand that how he left, but to say he didn't accomplish anything is ludicrous. I think you let your personal feelings get in the way. Again, don't blame you. I don't like how OP left either. It happens to lot of coaches, head got too big and took a job that was too big for him at DePaul. If he had an affair, OK, not good. Not giving him a pass, but was considered a very good coach who ran a clean program. How about when he was an Assistant at Maryland and Lefty Drisell wanted him to clean up Lynn Bias's room after ODed on drugs. OP refused to. Besides these few accomplishments also first Clemson coach to have four straight 20 win seasons. One of the few coaches to take four different programs to the NCAAT. He was considered a program builder. It took him about 3 years to dig out of the gutter that was Larry Shyatt. He did it at all four programs he built. Don't see Brad doing that. And as far as beating good teams, he did that just about as much as Brad. Beat a real good Illinois team on the road who was a high seed in the NCAAT, Beat a good Purdue team that went to the NCAAT without one of the key starters James Mays, beat Butler a high ranked team that finished in the National Championship game, beat a good Temple team that went to the NCAAT, won at Miss State which was probably that win away from making the NCAAT, as well as other good teams. Also hosted two top 10 match ups with Wake and Duke. And rest with the Three straight NCAAT loses. There are hall of fame coaches who lost three straight NCAATs at a school. He wasn't perfect but Brad certainly is not as well. read this: https://clemsontigers.com/black-history-month-oliver-purnell/![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association. ![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association. ![]() Clemson Athletics Black History: Oliver Purnell Oliver Purnell was the first African-American head coach of a men’s sport in Clemson history. He served as the leader of the men’s basketball program for seven years and took Clemson a record tying 25 wins in 2006-07 and the championship game of the NIT. He then guided Clemson to the NCAA Tournament each of his last three years, just the second Clemson coach to do that. In 2008, he coached Clemson to the championship game of the ACC Tournament, just the second appearance in the final game in school history. That season the Tigers finished 22nd in the final AP poll, then finished 24th according to AP the following season. Purnell is the only coach to lead Clemson to consecutive final top 25 national rankings. One of the most respected coaches in the nation during his career, he is still the only Clemson head coach to serve as president of a National Coaches Association.
Purnell had half of the ranked wins that BB has had in 4 years. Half.
You continue to spout that he had 4 20 win seasons in a row and that is so great. Well 1 of those seasons we started off 17-0 and didn't make the tournament. That was incredibly embarrassing.
Did you know brownell has had 3 20 win seasons in 5 years? Yes I'm counting last year's team because we would have won 20 if we played a full schedule.
Personally, I would rather have 20 win seasons in 3 out of 5 years while going to the sweet 16, beat unc on the road, and beat many highly ranked teams, than have 4 years of 20 win seasons in a row while not winning a tourney game and rarely beating ranked teams.
Just admit your expectations for brownell are significantly higher than they were under OP
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 4, 2022, 11:06 AM
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NOTE: Judge Keller® not here lately to spew harry potter and goblet fire.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 4, 2022, 11:30 AM
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I'm sure these last few games have been tough for the crowd with Brownell Derangement syndrome. For the record, I have been on the fence with a slight lean to firing brownell for most of the year. These last few games have made me rethink, as our future with PJ, Schef, and middlebrooks look bright. Add in the supporting cast for next year and I would be happy to give BB 1 more year to make some noise.
Lovers of mediocrity unite and sing Kumbaya ... lol.
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 4, 2022, 11:39 AM
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Nope, dumbarse. Why do all the low iq people spout this crap out continuously. This is a nuanced situation that is obviously way over your head
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 4, 2022, 12:05 PM
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I'll even put the accomplishments of Cliff Ellis with Barnes and OP over Brad.
All three coaches that took Clemson to three NCAAs out of at least four years. This is a fact.
My ranking of coaches of the last 5...
Barnes
OP
Ellis
Brownell
by far last is Shyatt...
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Re: Hate to see it......
Mar 4, 2022, 4:48 PM
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So, the prior 12 years is not enough for you to judge progress? Winning a couple of games against the bottom of the ACC and 1 against a team missing starters (like we were) is not erasing 12 years of mediocrity at best. (At least for me.).
It’s time.
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