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Ten (10) ACC teams in bowl games......
Dec 3, 2012, 9:44 AM
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Not a bad showing.....
Duke
VT
NC State
Syracuse
GT
Pitt
Clemson
FSU
ND
Louisville
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too bad 3 of them arent in the ACC yet***
Dec 3, 2012, 9:46 AM
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Re: too bad 3 of them arent in the ACC yet***
Dec 3, 2012, 9:46 AM
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Already voting members.....
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No, there are only SIX teams in bowl games from the ACC
Dec 3, 2012, 9:47 AM
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because the ACC is a pathetic conference.
Three of those teams are not in the ACC yet. Careful you're kind of using coot logic...
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They are all voting members at present***
Dec 3, 2012, 9:48 AM
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LoL, touche my friend..***
Dec 3, 2012, 9:49 AM
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Even if you count Pitt and Cuse, you can't count ND, they
Dec 3, 2012, 9:49 AM
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will never be a football member of the ACC.
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I think they will be in a couple of years....***
Dec 3, 2012, 9:50 AM
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-- Sincerely, The Big East, 1995 through 2012. ******
Dec 3, 2012, 10:01 AM
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Head Coach [757]
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Times change.....***
Dec 3, 2012, 10:02 AM
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ND making the BCS championship game this year has done
Dec 3, 2012, 10:10 AM
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nothing but push that back, even if they were considering it at one point. Do you think NBC is worried about their cash cow now? They're in no danger of losing their TV contract, and they will always have a seat in the BCS playoffs if they have a good season.
ND will remain independent.
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agreed...no reason to move***
Dec 3, 2012, 10:14 AM
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Successfully making it into the NC game in the 2nd to
Dec 3, 2012, 10:17 AM
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last year of the BCS era, doesn't translate into an ability to do it with a completely new format (playoff system).
Keep in mind, yes, ND was bad the past few years, but this is the first time they've even played in any level BCS game, since the inception of the BCS format. Not a great track record for them consistently making it to a playoff, without being a conference champion.
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110%er [7913]
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they've had some bad coaches in fairness over the past
Dec 3, 2012, 10:19 AM
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10+ yrs.
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Agreed, but many would argue that ND tightening
Dec 3, 2012, 10:21 AM
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their academic requirements on football players post Lou Holtz, had a lot to do with they down fall. They just weren't recruiting the same level of players.
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they = their***
Dec 3, 2012, 10:23 AM
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Anytime ND goes undefeated or has only 1 loss, depending on
Dec 3, 2012, 10:23 AM
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when that loss is and who they lost to, they will make the playoffs. Whether they are in a conference or not, they will make the playoffs with the same record, there is no incentive to joining a conference other than making money off of other teams. But with the money they rake in there's no need to join a conference.
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Again, not true...
Dec 3, 2012, 10:29 AM
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take the most recent example. Had Oregon and KSU not lost, ND would not have made it into the NC game. They were #3 with zero losses, and we know they would have been top 4 with one loss (because Bama, UF, UGA would have all been ahead of them).
Mike Greenberg (Mike and Mike) said it best... (paraphrasing) - I don't necessarily pull for Notre Dame, but all my life they've been given the benefit of the doubt, until this year when they are undefeated, against possibly the toughest schedule, and we are having to argue to make a case for them.
ND got lucky this year, because they did not control their own fate until the end of the season. That's a problem when you can just win your way to the top, especially if you just have one loss.
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would = wouldn't
Dec 3, 2012, 10:30 AM
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jeez I need to get my R back.
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but winning the ACC with one loss wouldn't help them
Dec 3, 2012, 10:32 AM
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if FSU had beaten UF they wouldn't be in the title game.
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So what? How many teams are in the title game?***
Dec 3, 2012, 10:33 AM
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110%er [7913]
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but how does it "help" them to be in the ACC
Dec 3, 2012, 10:34 AM
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winning the ACC doesn't help a team get into the national title picture.
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It wouldn't help them, it would hinder them. There are zero
Dec 3, 2012, 10:38 AM
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reasons for ND to join the ACC in football. They will always have a place at the table in the new playoff.
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No one knows at this point... I just see it happening***
Dec 3, 2012, 10:39 AM
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110%er [6376]
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Had FSU not lost to a 6-6 team...
Dec 3, 2012, 10:37 AM
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and just lost to a top 5 UF, then they would have been alot closer. Then you take into account that conference champions will be strongly considered (something that has been stated by the BCS guys in charge) by the selection committee and I will bet you that a 12-1 ACC Champ FSU with one good loss will go ahead of a 11-1 ND, with no championship.
The ACC didn't destroy FSU's chance, FSU did. Remember, they were #3 in the polls, prior to losing to NC State.
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Ok, you're talking about this year, but if there was a 4
Dec 3, 2012, 10:35 AM
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team playoff this year they would have gotten in even if Oregon and K-State would have stayed undefeated.
If you want to argue hypothetical scenarios, then even this year, if Oregon and K-State stayed undefeated, ND may have jumped K-State with a win at USC.
The point is, ND will always be in the top 4 if they go undefeated and get into the playoff. Joining the ACC may actually hinder them rather than helping them.
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True, if they went undefeated...
Dec 3, 2012, 10:43 AM
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you are correct, but you said even if they had one loss in the new system, they could still make the playoff, which is not true.
ND has only had 9 undefeated seasons, 7 of which, came before 1950. Not great odds for making the case that they can just go undefeated and get into the BCS playoff (and being undefeated is going to be required most of the time, because the extra game by the conference champs helps push up the the conf. champs ranking).
FYI they've only had 15 ten win seasons. Six of which, where they've had only had 1 loss. Again, not great odds of going through the season with only one loss.
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Their odds of getting through the season with 0 or 1
Dec 3, 2012, 10:53 AM
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loss doesn't improve by joining a conference. And my argument about the one loss was with the caveat that it depends on when ND lost and who they lost to.
And if they only had one loss this year, they still have a chance of making a 4 team playoff. Every team with 1 loss would have been up in the air, Bama, ND, Oregon, K-State. Bama had an advantage by winning the SECCG. But ND's chances would not have been elevated by beating GT in the ACCCG. Beating FSU in the ACCCG? Maybe, but coming off their loss to UF, maybe not.
The point is, whether ND goes undefeated or has 1 loss, their chances of making the playoff do not change based on a conference affiliation. And I'd actually argue that 1 loss out of the ACC would hurt their chances more than 1 loss as an independent.
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it also is important as to when the loss occurred***
Dec 3, 2012, 11:00 AM
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Re: Their odds of getting through the season with 0 or 1
Dec 3, 2012, 11:17 AM
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You don't seem to understand. The extra game that is played by playing for a conference championship, mathematically helps a team. A 13 game schedule > a 12 game schedule. Not only that, but it's already been said that being a conference champion will also be factored into the equation. When you consider these two aspects, it makes sense for ND to join a conference.
Look, I'm not saying ND will definitely join the ACC (my prediction is actually that the ACC desolves and ND eventually joins the B12, because they could then keep their 3rd tier rights). You just asked for reasons as to why they would join the ACC, which I have provided.
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why would they join?
Dec 3, 2012, 10:24 AM
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what do we offer them and they can't get now?
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I believe it will happen in a couple of years....
Dec 3, 2012, 10:25 AM
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when the playoff increases to 8 teams which it will.
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ok but why would they join?
Dec 3, 2012, 10:26 AM
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what does the ACC offer that they can't get on their own by being an independent? At this point the only reason they joined was to lock up a number of football games and a place for their other sports.
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Nothing at this point.... I believe that changes ...
Dec 3, 2012, 10:28 AM
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in the future with realignment, 16 team conferences, and the 8 team playoff.
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what would change that would require them to change
Dec 3, 2012, 10:29 AM
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not trying to be a horses hiney....just trying to understand your logic here...I just don't see anything pushing them to do this.
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No one can foresee the future.....
Dec 3, 2012, 10:36 AM
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I just think that the way things are heading with what I mentioned will make it happen.
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fair enough.....just don't see any forces in play
Dec 3, 2012, 10:48 AM
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to push them to do this.
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Not really a leach....
Dec 3, 2012, 10:41 AM
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The ACC will have five (5) games each season against ND.... it helps our strength of schedule and national standing in football. They are a full member in every other sport.
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It's just my opinion. They're a leach.
Dec 3, 2012, 10:50 PM
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ACC teams can help their strength of schedule any time they want. Clemson schedules OOC games against teams that go on to win the national championship. FSU scheduled Florida and Oklahoma this year (both BCS bowl teams). Duke schedule Stanford (BCS bowl team). Miami scheduled Kansas State (BCS bowl team). GT plays Georgia. Penn State, West Virginia, Louisville, South Carolina, Auburn...all teams that were strong or could have been expected to be strong this year...all on ACC OOC schedules. Oh, and of course Notre Dame always plays BC, and also played Wake this year.
We don't need Notre Dame non-football sports. They need us. And they are in.
Notre Dame football would help the ACC, but they make more money by not joining for football, so they are not in.
Leaches.
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Re: I think they will be in a couple of years....***
Dec 3, 2012, 10:15 AM
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Then add them to the list when ever they are a part of acc FB. As of now they are not any part of acc football. And I also agree that they never will be.
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It will be an uphill climb...
Dec 3, 2012, 9:49 AM
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Duke vs. Cincinnati
VT vs. Rutgers
NC State vs. Vanderbilt
Syracuse vs. WVU
GT vs. USC
Pitt vs. Ole Miss
Clemson vs. LSU
FSU vs. NIU
(ND don't count)
I believe FSU may be the only one favored in their bowl game.
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making a bowl today is about as meaningless as it gets
Dec 3, 2012, 9:50 AM
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you can get into a bowl game now and not have beaten anyone of substance your entire yr.
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70 Teams. 6-7 records. Utterly stupid.***
Dec 3, 2012, 10:03 AM
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amazing...you don't even need a winning record anymore***
Dec 3, 2012, 10:04 AM
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where does the money go???? 3 of those teams bowl revenue
Dec 3, 2012, 9:50 AM
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goes to another conference or their own pocket.
I would only count 6 teams truly from the ACC going to the bowls.
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We get money from six (6) and stature from nine (9)***
Dec 3, 2012, 9:56 AM
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If you are counting teams that are not in the ACC yet, then
Dec 3, 2012, 9:51 AM
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what about Louisville?
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Re: If you are counting teams that are not in the ACC yet, then
Dec 3, 2012, 10:11 AM
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Belk (Duke) – Pay to the order of Atlantic Coast Conference
New Era Pinstripe (Syracuse) – Pay to the order of Big East Conference
Franklin American Mortgage Music City (NCSU) - Pay to the order of Atlantic Coast Conference
Hundai Sun (GT) – Pay to the order of Atlantic Coast Conference
Chick-fil-A (Clemson)- Pay to the order of Atlantic Coast Conference
Discover Orange (FSU) - Pay to the order of Atlantic Coast Conference
BBVA Compass (Pitt) - Pay to the order of Big East Conference
Allstate Sugar (Louisville) - Pay to the order of Big East Conference
Discover BCS National Championship (Notre Dame)- Pay to the order of Notre Dame
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You left out VT
Dec 3, 2012, 10:31 AM
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Pay to the order of the Atlantic Coast Conference.
The other four (4) increase our stature.
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Only 2 or 3 of 9 in BIG BOY bowls - ND, Louisville & ?
Dec 3, 2012, 10:02 AM
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TIGERS vs Tigers - hope & expect coaches & therefore players to redeem themselves - GO CLEMSON TIGERS!
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Left one out.... it's ten (10)... forgot Louisville
Dec 3, 2012, 10:04 AM
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You are so right!
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Re: Nine (9) ACC teams in bowl games......
Dec 3, 2012, 10:07 AM
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ND is NOT in the acc with their FB. ACC can NOT take any glory for ND FB. NONE!!!
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I disagree.... increases our stature....***
Dec 3, 2012, 10:23 AM
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Re: I disagree.... increases our stature....*** All pub is
Dec 3, 2012, 11:40 AM
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good publicity - just the mention of ACC with nd is good publicity!
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Yes, too many glass half empty types on here.....***
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Five qualified, one waiver and three future draft picks
Dec 3, 2012, 12:17 PM
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seriously?
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If we're counting nonmembers, add Miami and UNC as eligible
Dec 3, 2012, 1:16 PM
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and make it 12 ACC schools qualified for postseason play.
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