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Re: Yep. It's insanity.
Feb 18, 2024, 7:56 AM
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DEI is a great field to enter if you have no talent.
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Ugh hate writing long posts, nobody is interested in really thinking about this.
Feb 18, 2024, 7:41 AM
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So Fryer has faced criticism, for this paper and a lot of his education research, regarding his methodology. Probably the biggest complaint is that his conclusions just aren't supported by his actual findings. In this specific example, his own results do show that blacks and latinos do have worse outcomes when it comes to interactions with police, but he uses an academic definition of "racial bias" to imply that there's no racial motivation in police shootings of unarmed people.
There are some more benign criticisms of his methodology that if you've ever sat in on a thesis defense you've heard before. This would include the small sample size shootings vs other police interactions, why he chose Houston (is it representative of police in general?), or if the Houston data set is accurate.
Research on police in general has it's own issues. Most of this is a kind of self reporting problem. If you've ever read a NC post, you know that minorities have more interactions with police (because they're naturally criminals probably) so we shouldn't be surprised that they get shot more. Obviously, we should be asking if there's something motivating these interactions. Just as a simple example, police could choose to only pull over certain people for minor traffic violations so now they have more interactions.
So maybe none of this means anything to you, after all big academia is just towing the line for the woke liberal agenda, so ask yourself if his timeline works. Did this guy ever make any claims about how he the establishment was trying to silence his breakthrough research whole he was still at Harvard? After all, it was a couple of years between his paper and when he was fired (suspended?) for sexual harassment. If anything, he was getting hyped by the woke NY Times (yes that NY times) at the time which seems like the opposite of being silenced.
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Re: Ugh hate writing long posts, nobody is interested in really thinking about this.
Feb 18, 2024, 8:06 AM
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Actually if you factor in just police interactions per race that end up in an unarmed shooting. Blacks and whites are dead even.
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^ this is correct***
Feb 18, 2024, 8:14 AM
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I read your whole post
Feb 18, 2024, 8:17 AM
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Luckily for me that I was also taking a dump at the time; so at least something productive happened.
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What specifically do you disagree with?***
Feb 18, 2024, 8:22 AM
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Im curious about this.
Feb 18, 2024, 8:33 AM
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- but he uses an academic definition of "racial bias"
What is your alternative definition that is more correct?
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I think it goes back to a Becker paper
Feb 18, 2024, 9:02 AM
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But it's definitely from the Knowles, Persico, and Todd paper that he uses. Basically, in order to meet this specific definition of racial bias, you have to show that there are outcome differences BUT it makes the assumption that the subgroups are equal to begin with which is why I went into the thing about how that's a bold assumption with police.
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Re: Dr. Roland Fryer, black Havard professor
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Feb 18, 2024, 8:42 AM
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I mean, don't pretend that there's some 'technical' issue with his paper. It is clear the narrative did not meet standards of the left. That is the issue...
And the whole Woke idea that people are not allowed to know and understand the truth that blacks commit crime at rate FAR GREATER than any other group is silly. This is why they are Woke. These woke idiots will cry racist because I know the stats that are available from compiled datasets put out by the government and I have the balls enough to repeat them.
The big difference with my take is that I will also tell you one of the major root causes why blacks suffer in crime and poverty is because that is where democrats want them so blacks continue to block vote democrat.
Of course, no leftist will openly admit this is what 'they want' but it's obvious over decades and generations this has become the de facto strategy of the left in the USA.
I am also not giving the black community 'an out' because they are victims of the democrat's systemic racism. The blacks alone can fix this - no other group, no other government can fix their problem.
This race situation is one of the examples where they (the dems) are doing exactly what they accuse other of...being racist.
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