Different reactions for different age groups.

As far as MrTMT's comments, to put it in today's perspective, Ford's Defense was then what Alabama's is today. They were much better and much tougher than the Fla State Defense we played today.

That said, it is true Chad Morris' Offense especially Tajh Boyd, Sammy, Ellington and Nuk would present alot of challenges to Ford's Defenses.

The problem with today's Tigers team is that even our unimaginative Ford Offenses would have scored 40-plus against today's collectively untalented Defense. No doubt your Dad is an awesome guy ... it's hard for all of us middle-aged Clemson fans to watch this level of mediocrity on Defense when from 1978-1992 we were feared and uber-talented and after a game like tonight the term "pansies" best describes the Defense.

I am sure you are much more grounded and better off for it, but I hope you get to enjoy at least one great National Championship run in your lifetime ... and if we're real lucky, in your Dad's and mine. Good luck !

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Well, IAP, I'm certainly one of the older types, since I

Sep 23, 2012, 8:22 AM

graduated from CU in 1969! The unique thing about Clemson concerns expectations. I was already in my 30's when we won the NC in January 1982, and once you've been to the mountaintop and seen the view, two things happen: you want to see it again, and you believe that if you could make it once, you should be able to again. There are a lot of fallacies in that kind of thinking over a 30 year span, which primarily have to do with the nature of the game itself and mindset. Having experienced literally hundreds of Clemson football games over a 50 year period, I tend to regard our program with a broad overview, which means I look at its progression historically.

My general perception, looking at our program since the Ford era, is twofold: misguided coaching hires and a lack of total commitment to our athletic programs by our administration. Since those have been discussed ad nauseum on TNet, I'll fast forward to our present situation. I have posted repeatedly that I believe the final verdict on Coach Swinney's tenure is out. The successes or failures of any organization are directly attributable to the person in charge - in this case, Coach Swinney. Thus far, he has proven himself praiseworthy as to his character. He has accomplished noteworthy achievements. I look at his leadership as a work in progress; thus, the ultimate question is how much time will the Clemson faithful be willing to grant that work to produce a national title contender.

Thus far, I am willing to see how our season progresses this year. Our recruiting is quite admirable; our offense is in capable hands, although it will still need tweaking; our defense is, of course, our Achilles Heel. I never expected BV or anyone else to enter our program, wave a magic wand and produce a stellar D overnight; BV (IMO) has the pedigree to do so, but it will take more time. I believe the moral leadership of our program is outstanding. But I will caution anyone: regardless of the end results this season, NO COACH WILL LAST AT CLEMSON if he allows our history of domination of USC to reverse...period. Thus, Dabo will survive another year IMO, should we witness a four-pete...but not, God forbid, if there's a five-pete. Why? The "old fa@rts" won't sit still for it. I've witnessed the power of the older crowd during my 50 years' experience with CU, and say what you will, THEY WILL NOT TOLERATE continual losses to USC...period.

Lastly, no one wants Dabo Swinney to succeed more than I. At this point I am willing to grant the additional time to see how this "work in progress" proceeds. But I do not want our program to coast along for another five or six years unless this nagging question is laid to rest: Which Clemson team will show up for which game? I might add I am enthusiastic to see our younger folks participating in these discussions, and, thus, sincerely appreciate your efforts!

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Im 19 and I dont understand how a defense can be this bad

Well obviously I can see that this defense is not good too.

No age is too young to not care. YOU are part of the

Oh believe me,you have gotten me wrong. I am strictly

If you take a big game blow out with a grain of salt then

I have not made any excuses. You just said that if you take

B/C I know we suck and will till we hire a REAL HC.***

Yeah, you're right, we really struck out with Dabo. We

ALL far better than Dabo, esp Leach & RR.***

How'd that work out for them, I guess RR should try for

Give him time. You folks forget what he did @ WV & CU***

got embarrassed by pittsburgh?***

Why should he get time? I remember what he did @ WV and

Yea lets keep a HC no other serious BCS program would

But by your rationale, everything now is Dabo's fault.

Coots are winning and have a real coach

Keep 'em coming LR, I've got all night.***

Most idiots that don't know jack do.***

Is that why you're still on here?***

You are getting the hang of it

first shut out oregon has over arizona since 1964...

I hope that was a joke. Our Offense is fine.

Re: No age is too young to not care. YOU are part of the

You've really hit on something here Pride

Hahahaha thanks for the heads up. I must have heard it

Older people worship at the fake defensive altar,

Yeah that's what I tried to hit on when I said the game has

Re: Older people worship at the fake defensive altar,

lol you are clueless. FSU had a better passing game back in

Really, I see that we played them twice in the '80's. Won 1,

We dominated the 88 game, but lost on 2 great Deon Sanders

Does it matter if you dominate the game but lose b/c of a

Always something isnt it

Re: lol you are clueless. FSU had a better passing game back in

Ford beat Spurrier/Duke 2 out of 3, That Duke game was a

You're gonna' lose this "game".***

Good point i would have thought we would dominate losses

Needs his meds!^^^^***

The defense is just in bad shape. Whats

Re: Different reactions for different age groups.

I'm 50 and probably went to Clemson when your Dad did ...

Listne to your father son! Go Tigers!***

Re: ALL far better than Dabo, esp Leach &amp; RR.***

Re: Re: ALL far better than Dabo, esp Leach &amp;amp; RR.***

Well, IAP, I'm certainly one of the older types, since I

Re: Well, IAP, I'm certainly one of the older types, since I

Thank you, FM....It actually was a little longer than I

A sound conclusion based on an appropriate sample size.

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Re: ALL far better than Dabo, esp Leach & RR.***

Re: Re: ALL far better than Dabo, esp Leach & RR.***