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Did Tommy Bowden say inherited???!!!!!
Aug 14, 2012, 1:05 PM
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Did he really say that? Dabo recruited most of the top level talent on the team under CTB!!!!! So winning the division that first full year was with Dabo's players and most notably CJ Spiller!
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There was a ton of talent on that team
Nov 29, 2011, 8:01 PM
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and Dabo didn't recruit "most" of it. He recruited "some" of it.
For example, let's look at the vaunted 2008 class: Per: http://www.tigernet.com/view/story.do?id=7103
DaQuan Bowers- Recruited by Ron West Stanley Hunter- Recruited by David Blackwell Spencer Benton- Recruited by Dabo Tarik Rollins- Recruited by David Blackwell Kyle Parker- Recruited by Dabo Marquan Jones- Recruted by Brad Scott Jon Richt- Recruited by Brad Scott Dawson Zimmerman- Recruited by Ron West Spencer Adams- Recruited by Billy Napier Andre Ellington- Recruited by David Blackwell Dalton Freeman- Recruited by Brad Scott Brandon Thompson- Recruited by Billy Napier Daniel Andrews- Recruited by Dabo Jaron Brown- Recruited by Dabo Carlton Lewis Jr- Recruited by Dabo Jarrett Crittenton- Recruited by Chris Rumph Matt Sanders- Recruited by Vic Koenning Kenneth Page- Recruited by Brad Scott Xavier Brewer- Recruited by Dabo Dwayne Allen- Recruited by Chris Rumph Rashard Hall- Recruited by Dabo Brandon Ford- recruited by David Blackwell Matt Skinner- Recruited by Dabo Jonathan Willard- Recruited by Dabo Antoine McClain- Recruited by Dabo Jamie Harper- Recruited by Dabo
So Dabo recruited 11 of the 26 in that class. As far as top-level talent, Dabo got his share, but Dwayne Allen, Andre Ellington, and DaQuan Bowers were all recruited by others.
You can't say Dabo won the division with his players, he won it with Bowden's players, some of whom he recruited. 2011 was mostly Dabo's players, but 2009 was not.
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But thing was Bowden couldn't win with his players and
Aug 14, 2012, 1:32 PM
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Dabo did. Also Dabo is recruiting way higher than Tommy did
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I agree on all points
Aug 14, 2012, 1:33 PM
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but that doesn't change the fact that Dabo still inherited the majority of his 2009 team.
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Dabo's classes are the same as TB's last 3 classes based
Aug 14, 2012, 1:40 PM
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on averaging the rankings of Scout, ESPN, and Rivals.
He isn't winning more than TB. He had a losing season in 2010, is owned by USC, we were blown out 4x last year, and he's 1-3 in bowl games. The only difference in B & Dabo is a few lucky plays. They went Dabo's way while TB seemed cursed.
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How many conference titles did Tommy win
Nov 29, 2011, 8:07 PM
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Wake, Maryland and BC all got there and Wake and Maryland won, but Tommy couldn't. Nuff said
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Again. TB had terrible luck, Dabo had some good luck. If
Aug 14, 2012, 1:50 PM
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I had a dollar for every time a TB pumper posted this I'd be rich ...
"It's not TB's fault our players keep failing to make the 1 or 2 plays that cost us most of our games. If they step up and make just a few extra plays we win 10+ games and several ACC titles."
The difference in TB & Dabo is 1 or 2 plays in a few games. That's it. We lost 3 or 4 games and at least 1 ACC title because TD's were called back based on not enough men on the line of scrimmage.
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Re: Again. TB had terrible luck, Dabo had some good luck. If
Aug 14, 2012, 1:50 PM
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Luck? LOL that is funny cootie
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Sorry facts and logic confuse you.***
Aug 14, 2012, 2:34 PM
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I am sorry that facts get in the way of YOUR logic!***
Aug 14, 2012, 2:44 PM
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You really need to look up the definition of the word fact
Aug 14, 2012, 2:57 PM
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It's insane how much you toss that word around when describing your opinion.
Nothing in this post is fact. It is all opinion:
"Again. TB had terrible luck, Dabo had some good luck. If I had a dollar for every time a TB pumper posted this I'd be rich ... "It's not TB's fault our players keep failing to make the 1 or 2 plays that cost us most of our games. If they step up and make just a few extra plays we win 10+ games and several ACC titles." The difference in TB & Dabo is 1 or 2 plays in a few games. That's it. We lost 3 or 4 games and at least 1 ACC title because TD's were called back based on not enough men on the line of scrimmage."
This is a message board and good or bad everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even you Caddy. Just stop crossing the line and going into your fictional reality and call things facts when they are not.
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Here is another FACT for you
Aug 14, 2012, 3:00 PM
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under Tommy Bowden the players never, not once, ever, did the oklahoma drill, what Dabo now calls the PAW drills. Dabo started doing them the very first week he was made interim coach to try and develop some toughness.
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And he inherited a rebuilt program in a weaker ACC. The ACC
Aug 14, 2012, 2:23 PM
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was stronger when TB was HC and he inherited crappy facilities and a program in shambles. It's ludicrous to compare the two. Dabo had a losing season which TB never had even in those early years. TB owned USC. Until we start beating some top 20 non-ACC teams, beating USC, winning our bowl games, and finishing in the top 20 we'll be the same under achievers we were under TB.
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I never said Dabo is a better coach than TB, I said
Aug 14, 2012, 2:27 PM
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that you cannot say that Dabo inherited TB players and that is the reason he won the division in 09. He won with players he helped to recruit. And won the ACC in 2012 and will win in 2013 with HIS players.
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lol i hope you people on here have children and they
Aug 14, 2012, 2:31 PM
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use the same deluded insane logic when you go to punish them for their stupidity and they use such twisted flawed logic to make their defense.
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Re: lol i hope you people on here have children and they
Aug 14, 2012, 3:23 PM
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There it is cant debate points so call people deluded with some long winded bull #### flying out of your blow hole.
You are a special kinda loser.
Did Dabo not sign an autograph for you or something?
Your obsession is borderline insane.
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I see what your saying, but
Aug 14, 2012, 1:32 PM
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on that list most of Dabo's were contributors. A lot of the others weren't even getting on the field.
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If you don't have that defensive line
Aug 14, 2012, 1:41 PM
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then you don't make it to that first ACCCG. All 4 of those starters are in the NFL now and 2 of them (Thompsona and Bowers) were recruited in the class I outlined. Jarvis Jenkins was recruited by Brad Scott and I can't find the recruiter of record for Ricky Sapp.
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I am not doubting you
Aug 14, 2012, 1:46 PM
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I actually over looked Brandon Thompson's name...whoops, I am just saying that of that entire list most of Dabo's recruits were workhorses where some of the other coaches recruits were.
It just seems like dabo was signing contributor after contributor where some of the other coaches were landing 1 out of several.
I agree the talent on the team his first year was primarily Bowden's. By default that happens since Bowden was the head coach.
No arguement from me. It takes all the players to have a team.
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I've got no quarrel with you
Aug 14, 2012, 1:53 PM
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just was really enjoying pointing out the absurdity of the OP's statement.
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+1 for making me laugh
Aug 14, 2012, 1:59 PM
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with this post
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Re: If you don't have that defensive line
Aug 14, 2012, 5:27 PM
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Ron West recruited Sapp, Bowers, and Gaines Adams and coached Sapp and Adams. But why all the hate for Tommy today? He gave Dabo a chance to get back in coaching so I am sure Dabo is grateful. Also grateful for all the facilities and money put into the program by Terry Don that Tommy never had. Tommy has been nothing but gracious regarding that when he didn't have to be. He had some opportunities to get back into coaching but decided against it. As far as most of those other coaches, Burton, Chris, Vic, Billy and Ron are very successful doing well in their careers. Dabo has good coaches and a great deal going for him in this program right now so why not be glad for what you got. Sure are alot of classless posts on here today. Boredom I guess.
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You made my point for me
Aug 14, 2012, 2:12 PM
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Take a look again at that 2008 class. AE did contribute but wasn't the main contributer to the 2009 season. Allen was.
Jaron Brown, CJ, Allen and KP were the major factors on the team in 2009 (all but Allen were recruited by Dabo)
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Re: You made my point for me
Aug 14, 2012, 2:30 PM
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I wouldn't call Jaron a major contributer in 2009 (3 catches for 30 yards and 1 TD) and CJ wasn't a part of that 2008 class. KP was a major factor in 2009, but Bowers, Allen, and Thompson were also all major factors from the 2008 class not recruited by Dabo.
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I didn't say CJ was in 08 class but was major contributor
Aug 14, 2012, 2:33 PM
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on 09 team.
In fact without CJ how many games do we win in 07,08 or 09?
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Re: I didn't say CJ was in 08 class but was major contributor
Aug 14, 2012, 2:41 PM
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He absolutely was a major contributor, but my example showed the 2008 class.
If you want to talk about the 2006 class, let's look at the members of that class currently in the NFL. (If I miss one I apologize)
CJ Spiller- recruited by Dabo
Ricky Sapp- the other 5 Star in the class, recruited by Ron West
Jacoby Ford- recruited by Burton Burns
Chris Hairston- recruited by Brad Scott and Marion Hobby
Michael Palmer- recruited by Ron West
2 other highly touted recruits from that class who I don't believe have made NFL rosters were:
Byron Maxwell (4 star)- recruited by Burton Burns
DeAndre McDaniel (4 Star)- recruited by Dabo
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When did I say NFL players? I said contributed in 09
Aug 14, 2012, 2:58 PM
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But just rivals stating the recruiter of record doesn't mean other coaches didn't have a major influence when they were on campus. Also, this is the same for players attributed to Dabo...other coaches had a hand in recruiting them. But we all know the CJ story and we would have never even had a shot at him without Dabo's efforts.
My whole point is that with the way Dabo was hired from TBs staff and had a hand in recruiting some of those player that you cannot use the argument that Dabo "inherited" TB's players.
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That's why i included Maxwell and McDaniel
Aug 14, 2012, 3:17 PM
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in that list. I think you can absolutely say that Dabo inherited TB's players. Did Dabo recruit some of the greats like CJ himself? Sure he did, but those were Tommy's recruiting classes, and he did a ton of the work to build us into the recruiting powerhouse we are now.
I'm no TB apologist and was one of the ones screaming for his head in '08 (and before), but to say that TB didn't leave a ton of talent on the roster for Dabo to "inherit" is ridiculous.
I'd be like saying that Danny Ford's 1979 8-4 team wasn't inherited from Charlie Pell just because Danny may have been the lead recruiter for a Terry Kinard or a Billy Lott (I have no idea if he was, but Danny was always known as an excellent recruiter)
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I gave you a thumbs up for that post***
Aug 14, 2012, 3:38 PM
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Lets put this Dabo fallacy to bed. Yes he was the head
Aug 14, 2012, 1:37 PM
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recruiter under TB the last few years, but those last 3 top 12-13 classes came to Clemson largely because TB was the HC. If it was Dabo, then the pumpers promoting Dabo be the HC when TB left based on "saving the 2008 recruiting class" would have been right. But there were NOT right. They were wrong. TB left and that class fell apart. It was shaping up to be our best class since Ford. A top 10 class. TB left, the recruiting class fell apart. Just as me and others predicted. If the recruiting success was about Dabo that class would have stayed intact.
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Excellent point***
Aug 14, 2012, 1:41 PM
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I didn't start this factually incorrect thread. I simply
Aug 14, 2012, 1:44 PM
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pointed out its flawed logic. Sorry facts confuse you, but then, this is Kool Aid Net.
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Re: I didn't start this factually incorrect thread. I simply
Aug 14, 2012, 1:59 PM
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You are so full of guano, it nearly defies description. "A few lucky plays"....lolol
Still hatin' on everything Clemson, eh coot?? TB sucked, Dabo sucks, Barker sucks, Terry Don sucks-----oh gosh!!! you're gonna have to get busy and get some really good vitriol worked up for TDP's replacement........cuz we all know---you'll think he sucks.
Kool-Aid Net!!!.........lolololol! For you its "crap on Clemson Net".....mr fake realist coot
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CU alum class of '88. Move on!!***
Aug 14, 2012, 2:15 PM
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You're the one that needs to move on...nobody on this
Aug 14, 2012, 2:29 PM
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board believes that Clemson alumnus crap.
What a terrible burden it must be: the only person on Tigernet ---although obviously less educated, less intelligent, and less successful than so many others---with the ability to see exactly what Clemson's problems are and still blessed with the ability to bore EVERYONE else incessantly with his bitter, negative, egotistical opinion.
incidentally, fgf is still on the rivals network. but you undoubtedly know that
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History has repeatedly proven my early and unpopular
Aug 14, 2012, 2:33 PM
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predictions and opinions to be correct.
And I am a CU alum.
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Re: History has repeatedly proven my early and unpopular
Aug 14, 2012, 2:39 PM
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well you are just the cats meow and yes you are a coot.
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Re: History has repeatedly proven my early and unpopular
Aug 14, 2012, 2:40 PM
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"well you are just the cats meow"
you got the wrong end of the cat............:~)
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Re: History has repeatedly proven my early and unpopular
Aug 14, 2012, 3:55 PM
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What of your predictions have been correct. You are so full of #### its not even funny.
You said Dabo wouldnt win the ACC last year.
That is a fact. You were wrong there.
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Re: CU alum class of '88. Move on!!***
Aug 14, 2012, 3:56 PM
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Still waiting on that ring pic Chicken boy.
I came through with my side of the bargain.
i guess you are just a yellow bellied pathetic Chicken fan.
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YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG! For starters
Aug 14, 2012, 2:25 PM
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It wasn't the 2008 class it was the 2009 class that was the next class after TB was fired. It only had 12 guys and thus why it wasn't rated high. Also, several players from that class will be major contributors this year...most of them starters. Here it the list for you:
Tajh Boyd Malliciah Goodman Quandon Christian Corico Wright Jonathan Meeks Tyler Shatley Spencer Shuey Darrell Smith Brandon Thomas Rod McDowell
6 of these guys are starters and all the others will play. JK Jay and Bryce McNeal no longer on the team. Thus 10 of 12 are major contributors. I would call that an excellent recruiting class!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The year is meaningles everyone knows what year I meant
Aug 14, 2012, 2:29 PM
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and the class did fall apart despite what pumpers said and it doesn't matter if all 12 were great, you can't be successful with 12 player classes. So go spin your nonsense to other kool aid drinkers too deluded to get the reality of the situation.
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the correct year is very important and FACTUALLY CORRECT!
Aug 14, 2012, 2:36 PM
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And obviously you can win with 12 player classes, especially when you follow that up with back to back to back top 15 classes.
Go back to the coot board and enjoy your 5th place SECheat rings!
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We'd have an experienced veteran OL this year had that
Aug 14, 2012, 2:43 PM
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class not fallen part, but hey, TB, Dabo, nor TNET kool aid drinkers think an OL is unimportant anyway so no big deal.
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what about my OP is factually incorrect. Penthouse made my
Aug 14, 2012, 2:31 PM
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point for me. Look at that 2008 class and the players that contributed in 09 were all attributed to Dabo except Allen. Now look at the 07 class and the contributors in 09 that are credited to Dabo! The vast majority of MAJOR contributors were recruited by Dabo.
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Dabo may have reruited them but they were TB's classes
Aug 14, 2012, 2:40 PM
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and if they came because of Dabo then Dabo's first class would have been great, but it wasn't. It sucked. It fell apart when TB was booted. If they were coming because of Dabo, not TB, then that 1st class under Dabo would have been great. Or at least no worse than the prior 3 classes, but it wasn't it sucked.
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if that is your argument, why are top 10 classes coming to
Aug 14, 2012, 2:43 PM
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Clemson now?????????
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They aren't. We had 1 class ranked top 10 by 1 service. If
Aug 14, 2012, 2:47 PM
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you average Scout, Rivals, and ESPN the last 3 classes by Dabo average out the same as TB's lst 3 classes. You Dabo pumpers are like Obama and the mainstream media. Tell a lie often enough people will believe it.
We have not had a consensus top 10 class since Ford.
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Concensus top 10 since Ford?
Aug 14, 2012, 2:52 PM
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How many recruiting service did Ford have to impress to be "Concensus". Oh yeah...1
I'll even give you one and say top 20 recruiting classes. But you say Dabo's average out to the same as TB's last 3. Yet the 09 class only had 12 players (and total number of players has a huge effect on rating). How does Dabo's last 2 compare to TB's last 2?
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Let me help you out .....
Aug 14, 2012, 7:30 PM
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TB's last 3 classes ... 06, 07, 08
I'm skipping 09 as it was a transition year
Dabo's 1st 2 classes ... 10, 11
If you take Scout, Rivals, and ESPN and average them for each year, TB's last 3 classes each came in around #12 or 13. Which is right where Dabo's classes average out. None of Dabo's classes were top 10 averaged, only ESPN ranked any of them as top 10.
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TB has the higher W/L %. Both overall and in the ACC.***
Aug 14, 2012, 1:45 PM
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Re: TB has the higher W/L %. Both overall and in the ACC.***
Aug 14, 2012, 1:50 PM
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Yet who has won the conference? Championships is what matter
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Yea in the weakest ACC ever. Look at our terrible bowl
Aug 14, 2012, 1:53 PM
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tie ins an our conference RPI and our bowl record.
To any rational fan, Dabo still has a LOT to prove!!
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Who said he doesn't have a lot to prove? Every coach has
Aug 14, 2012, 2:01 PM
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something to prove. It's a what have you done for me lately game. But Dabo will win many more conference titles.
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Re: Lets put this Dabo fallacy to bed. Yes he was the head
Aug 14, 2012, 1:46 PM
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same number of games?
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Bottom line is Dabo has got us where TB couldn't
Aug 14, 2012, 1:49 PM
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That's it, nuff said, you got nothing but the same old broken record. One of the best WR classes ever, Best DL class ever this year, one of the best LB classes ever, all from Dabo. 2 Division titles, one conference title. TB ZERO in 10 years!! If you want to argue the ACC was tougher then you gotta says SC was much better than what TB ever faced. FACT
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TB brought in the #1 WR class once as well. Roscoe, Curry,
Aug 14, 2012, 1:51 PM
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and others that year were ranked the #1 WR class.
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And?***
Aug 14, 2012, 1:56 PM
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Yeah let's compare Roscoe to Watkins
Aug 14, 2012, 1:58 PM
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Currie was the only one who made it. Also learn to spell our players names. Peake, Bryant, Sammy and Humphries better than that class by far
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lol if you say so.***
Aug 14, 2012, 2:35 PM
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Re: lol if you say so.***
Aug 14, 2012, 3:53 PM
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Well for starters Chicken boy we can compare production of those two classes.
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Re: Yeah let's compare Roscoe to Watkins
Aug 14, 2012, 2:54 PM
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Frankly, in a lot of peoples opinion, Roscoe had more natural ability than Sammy, freshman year for freshman year. Roscoe was bigger and stronger than Sammy, just as fast, and the consensus best player in the entire US when he came out of high school. I saw him play against us in legion baseball, and he was a great, great baseball player also. Whatever misfortunes befell him, he was the best receiver I ever saw in Clemson Orange when he was on his game, period.
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Re: Bottom line is Dabo has got us where TB couldn't
Aug 14, 2012, 1:53 PM
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2 MAJOR REASONS why Dabo will be the Coach of CLemson for 5+ more years..
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Yet to be determined. 1 or 2 moe USC loses and he's in
Aug 14, 2012, 1:55 PM
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deep trouble.
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Re: Yet to be determined. 1 or 2 moe USC loses and he's in
Aug 14, 2012, 1:56 PM
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1 or 2 more wins against usc and then what?
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Re: Yet to be determined. 1 or 2 moe USC loses and he's in
Aug 14, 2012, 2:00 PM
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He'll still complain
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Dabo was only the recruiting coordinator
Aug 14, 2012, 2:01 PM
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once or twice under Bowden, and it was early in his career.
Napier, Blackwell, and Scott were all recruting coordinators later in Bowden's tenure!!
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Dabo was never a recruiting coordinator
Aug 14, 2012, 2:15 PM
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He didn't want it. He wanted to be in charge of the summer camps and he made Clemson one of the best summer football camps in the country.
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Based on what? Support that please.***
Aug 14, 2012, 2:48 PM
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Conversation I have had with Dabo in his office***
Aug 14, 2012, 3:04 PM
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lol ok if you say so.***
Aug 14, 2012, 7:32 PM
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I said head recruiter, not recruiting coordinator. Big diff.
Aug 14, 2012, 2:19 PM
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Pumpers claim those classes were thanks to Dabo. I pointed out that if that were true the 2008 class would not have fallen apart since Dabo became HC. But they did.
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It fell apart
Aug 14, 2012, 2:21 PM
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prior to him being named Full Time HC. He wasn't named Full TIme til after or at Bowl Time. Kids changed their minds in the interim phase.
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Whatever makes you sleep at night. He was the HC and it was
Aug 14, 2012, 2:26 PM
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known that if we beat USC he would get the HC job full time. That was reported before the USC game.
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I am sure antipsychotic drugs required to help you sleep***
Aug 14, 2012, 3:03 PM
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Re: Did Tommy Bowden say inherited???!!!!!
Aug 14, 2012, 7:00 PM
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I like Tommy Bowden, but who hired him as a head coach other than tulane and our dismissed athletic director?? Has any one, any one, any one, hired him since he left Clemson???
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Re: Did Tommy Bowden say inherited???!!!!!
Aug 14, 2012, 7:01 PM
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I like Tommy Bowden, but who hired him as a head coach other than tulane and our dismissed athletic director?? Has any one, any one, any one, hired him since he left Clemson???
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TB was the hottest young HC in the country. No one but CU
Aug 14, 2012, 7:33 PM
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would hire Dabo.
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Re: TB was the hottest young HC in the country. No one but CU
Aug 14, 2012, 7:37 PM
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it must be a pathetic existence for someone who "claims" to be a clemson fan to spend 24/7 bashing and talking trash about the team they say they love. you are a very sad individual.
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NO,
Aug 14, 2012, 7:18 PM
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"I can pee the farthest," "no, I pee the farthest," "no, I pee the farthest," "well, I can pee the most," "no, I pee the most!" I love this pathetic childish pissing contest over kids who are trying to get an education while playing football and who's better at leading them outside the classroom. Get some perspective and just enjoy what we have because what we gripe about on here doesn't matter a hill of beans. I love Clemson and that is all that matters.
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