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Comment about coaching searches.
Nov 4, 2021, 10:45 AM
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A fan on an LSU board posted this:
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Coaching candidates who have gotten beyond the courting phase and are in serious talks with LSU (through agents) have to have a comprehensive plan in place to deal with NIL and its future implications. Stephanie Rempe is pushing hard for a coach who understands NIL and is forward thinking.
A lot of responses were of this vein: "Yeah, right. How is a guy who is coaching now going to have time to think about a plan for dealing with NIL?"...."That's not the job of the coach. He's too busy. That is the AD's job or at least his office."......
Any coach who is preparing for a HC job knows that one of the first questions he will be asked is, "How are you going to handle the NIL?" Every assistant coach, and every HC (other than Saban, Dabo, and a few others at the highest level) have a portfolio that they continually update. Everyone of them will now include "How to handle the NIL."
I will guarantee you that Elliott, if he is at all interested in being a HC, has a chapter in his portfolio detailing his ideas and plans about the NIL. He knows that he will be drilled on the subject, right after he is asked about his plans for hiring assistants, offensive philosophy and defensive philosophy - maybe even before.
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Re: Comment about coaching searches.
Nov 4, 2021, 11:06 AM
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I made a post a few days ago about the importance of the NIL and the way coaches handle it and the “experts” on Tnet assured me that it wasn’t a big deal. Since it’s a part of their job resume it must be of some importance.
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Re:Comment about coaching searches.ties into NIL &recruiting
Nov 4, 2021, 11:06 AM
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I wonder how a coach presents NIL to recruits. We got this for XYZ. We can get this for you. We have
this many companies interested in deals for you. Is it legal to present NIL possibilities or offers during recruiting?
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Most coaching hires end up quickly in failure
Nov 4, 2021, 11:23 AM
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LSU hires a new coach every 4 years or less. Instead of interviewing coaches, the AD should put the names he comes up with in a hat then hire the guy who comes out of the hat on a blind draw.
4 of Bama's last five hires were duds.
5 of Notre Dame's last 6 hires were duds.
7 of Southern Cal's last 8 hires were duds.
Asking about NIL plans when no one has any history of success dealing with NIL seems a bit crazy. It's not like the AD can pick out a good NIL plan versus a bad NIL plan.
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NIL
Nov 4, 2021, 11:31 AM
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Yes, it's illegal to promise $, even in the form of NIL, when recruiting a player. But it's a little different in each state. The state legislature passed these laws and many are different. Plus how will you be able to prove or enforce it?
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Re: Most coaching hires end up quickly in failure
Nov 4, 2021, 2:15 PM
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Give Slurrier his due.
That #### hole place didn’t deserve him.
But his ego wanted to prove a point.
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Re:Comment about coaching searches.ties into NIL &recruiting
Nov 4, 2021, 11:27 AM
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I can't speak to the legality of this, but a close friend of mine is connected to a few high level basketball recruits and he said the kids' parents have specific dollar amounts that they can expect when they are returning from visits to the big schools.
It's a major part of what the elite high school athletes are being told when they are visiting schools and entertaining offers.
For what it's worth, a couple of his kids visited Clemson for basketball lately and my buddy said the families did not mention prospective NIL deals when they returned from the visit.
I don't know if that means it isn't legal and Clemson is playing the right way, or if it means that Clemson is missing an opportunity to keep up with the big boys' new recruiting tactics.
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Re:Comment about coaching searches.ties into NIL &recruiting
Nov 4, 2021, 11:31 AM
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Also, not specifically coming from the coaches through recruiting, but Mississippi State is guaranteeing a certain amount of money to each player on their baseball roster.
They have a deal with the baseball boosters.
Each player may sign a different NIL with a different "business", but they are ensuring that everyone gets the minimum that they have set.
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Re:Comment about coaching searches.ties into NIL &recruiting
Nov 4, 2021, 11:34 AM
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BYU and Miami football is signing a deal that pays everyone too that's a good place to start
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Re:Comment about coaching searches.ties into NIL &recruiting
Nov 4, 2021, 11:39 AM
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It's really odd that someone has decided to TD all of my recent posts.
Even more odd that someone would TD both of these posts.
I'm not even sure what there is to disagree with.
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I've heard Kentucky basketball is absolutely killing it...
Nov 4, 2021, 12:34 PM
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with NIL. Every played signed to a deal with FTX and several others have large deals...one even gets a Porsche! People close to the program have said the PG is right at $1M and every player on the roster (even walk-ons) are at least right at the $100k level.
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Re: I've heard Kentucky basketball is absolutely killing it...
Nov 4, 2021, 12:59 PM
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Yes it's hard to imagine that a recruiting tactic would be in play for big basketball schools and Kentucky wouldn't be one of the leaders in the group.
One of the player's my buddy is connected to does have an offer from Kentucky.
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Oddly enough, I also heard the #1 player in basketball
Nov 4, 2021, 3:26 PM
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for next year...Shaedon Sharpe (who might reclassify for next semester) cannot benefit from NIL bc he is from Canada. Apparently his visa doesn't allow him to profit? He can make money in Canada though but not sure how all of that shakes down.
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Re:Comment about coaching searches.ties into NIL &recruiting
Nov 4, 2021, 6:10 PM
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In order to have prospective numbers, you need "friends of the program" that are willing to commit money.
Wouldn't be surprised to hear Clemson doesn't have much of that unlike, say, UNC or Duke where they've always found legal or uncaught ways to take care of their players and their families.
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Re: Comment about coaching searches.
Nov 4, 2021, 11:34 AM
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If I were an AD looking for a new HC, the first thing I'D want to know more about are his plans for building /bringing back the program to where they are competitive.
I'd leave the NIL to the AD to have someone on staff monitor that.
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Re: Comment about coaching searches.
Nov 4, 2021, 11:40 AM
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I agree that NIL should be something that is mostly controlled by the athletic departments and should not be left up to coaches.
I do think though that coaches should have a detailed knowledge of how they want their program to deal with NIL and how they will work with the AD's office to ensure that it is connected to the building of their program.
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Re: Comment about coaching searches.
Nov 4, 2021, 12:56 PM
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It would be perfectly legal to inform them of current players NILs, the families can figure it out from there. If the offensive line has an NIL with the state automobile dealers assoc. this year, they will again next year.
Skill players will get NILs where ever they go. It's the 'non-skill' player NILs where the rich programs will dominate.
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Re: Comment about coaching searches.
Nov 4, 2021, 1:01 PM
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NIL will go a long way to helping keep those second string guys happy and out of the portal for the programs trying to stack up on depth.
I believe that's also a place where deep pockets will come in very handy moving forward.
As you said, everybody will find money for their stars, but the programs that find good money for their faceless players will be the ones who will be able to keep talent happy and in their program.
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Re: Comment about coaching searches.
Nov 4, 2021, 1:31 PM
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General comment about NIL and prospective coaches.
I think the AD will ask the question. I don't think it is so much as "right answer vs. wrong answer." I think it is a question of finding out how deeply the coach has thought about it. It's all a part of coaching. The HC has a lot more responsibilities than X and O stuff. He's also an administrator. He has to deal with infrastructure, support staff, recruiting, boosters, fund raising, media, PR, etc.
Any AD is gonna ask about all those things. Not that he is looking for a specific answer on any of them. But, he wants to guage if the guy is mentally prepared to handle all of them and has a "game plan."
Just add NIL as another "off the field" issue that the HC needs to have a plan for.
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Re: Comment about coaching searches.
Nov 4, 2021, 1:31 PM
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The school has nothing to do with NIL, it belongs to the player. If any check is written, it has the players name on it and the income will be reported to the IRS under the player's Social Security number. What I would think a coach would do is to give advice if asked for and to present the facts as they are known. Since the NIL is a new policy, there is no history yet and it is a work in progress.
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Re: Comment about coaching searches.
Nov 4, 2021, 6:50 PM
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I'm no administrator. But, if I were, I would think that their needs to be some infrastructure set up to assist the kids. If I were a parent I would want to know what the school was going to do to help my player as he is approached by legitimate and illegimate people.
I would want to set up some kind of infrastructure where, among other things,....
1. Gave the player the option to let someone look over contracts to make sure they are legal and protective of the student.
2. Offer to help the student with tax preparation. (An in house H&R block sort of thing.)
3. Have some sort of "clearing house" where people or corporations who want to help several players, not just one, get assistance on how to do that. (Like the BYU booster who gave ltuition money to all walk ons. or the Miami guy who is giving money to everyone on the team.)
I know some schools have already set up some sort of infrastructure. (I know FSU has. I think Clemson has. I assume virtually every school has.) If I were an AD I would at least want to know that my prospective HC had been thinking about it and had an idea of what he needed for support.
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I’m sure he’d probably model it after Clemson and I
Nov 4, 2021, 1:45 PM
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bet he’d try to also sell the Paw Journey and try to bring something similar to wherever he went.
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Re: Comment about coaching searches.
Nov 4, 2021, 6:03 PM
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Translation: "We are looking for a coach who is good at money laundering."
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