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Oculus Spirit [97772]
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:14 AM
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So upgraded internets to gig speed. Noice.... and same price as 500mbps with Spectrum (RIP).
Problem: Router speed test only shows 800 and change up and down. Called fiber company, they said their pings are getting 1gbps. Asked how I had it wired to the router. We have a CAT5 ethernet going from the fiber modem in wife's office, under the house (large crawl space) and up anterior wall to the top of my bar in the very middle middle of the house (MUCH better coverage with the router here).
Fiber people said the CAT5 line barely carries 1gbps and real-world results will usually be a little less. Said I should upgrade the ethernet line to CAT 7 or 8, even 6 works.
So I've bought 60 feet of CAT8 ethernet wire being delivered today.
Problem (2): Running the new wire
In THEORY, I can tie the new line to the end of the old line and pull the old line down through the crawlspace as son feeds it from the top of the bar, then tie a string to the other end in wife's office and pull the other end of the old line down, then tie the new line to the string in the crawlspace, then pull the new line up to the fiber modem. We had an electrician run the prior line the hard way, so I'm guessing this is something we can do now that we have a line to use as a guide.
Question: Why do I think this is going to somehow be more complicated?
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It will be.***
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:18 AM
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Tiggity's house in two days
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:21 AM
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All-In [42934]
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Also. Only 800?
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:23 AM
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Wouldn't it be easier to place wi-fi at the modem, then use extenders to get coverage where you need it?
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Lot o points [155986]
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Honestly probably not worth the trouble.
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:30 AM
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Going from 5e to 8 to gain 200M in a house that is probably using a steady stream rate of 30-40M tops is massive overkill.
The 8 is really sensitive and will degrade if the run is over 100 feet. Also will require new termination jacks on each end with metal connections.
Just don’t see the juice being worth the squeeze at this point.
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Oculus Spirit [97772]
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I bought a 60 foot spool, should be plenty
Dec 28, 2023, 10:41 AM
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Measuring says I need around 45 feet. We have an eero system, which replaced our single router. Back when we had the single router we got the electrician wire it up on top of the bar cabinet. Middle of house, and signal greatly improved. When we got our Eero I put the main router on the bar top and the satellites in a line along the middle of the house. We get an amazing signal in this setup. If we stuck the main node on the line in wife's office, we would (possibly) have some dead spaces.
read up and CAT8 works on the router and fiber modem. Don't need new outlet as the electrician just ran the lines, with a circular outlet for the wire, no connector in the outlet.
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Oculus Spirit [81079]
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All of this.
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:42 AM
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If I was going to go through the problem of rewiring, I'd just drag some multimode fiber and get media converters at each end, or some media converting switches.
Since it's just home networking, I guess you could use single mode fiber and squeak a little more speed out of the installation. I've found LC MM fiber media converters easier to find than single mode SFPs, but many folks say the opposite. Usually I'm using a core switch to edge switch when I do this so that may be the reason.
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Lot o points [155986]
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Additionally
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:47 AM
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Unless you’re paying business grade prices for that fiber, that 1G is going to be best effort from your provider in the SLA’s. You’re still being served by an oversubscribed POP that’s subject to degradation at peak periods. Even if you do run the 8, you’re going to go nuts when you hook it up and see 920M on speed test.
Would really just be happy with 800.
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Oculus Spirit [81079]
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Re: Additionally
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:53 AM
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Lot o points [155986]
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Yep. Between the two of us we have
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:59 AM
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Something approaching high level expert status on this topic.
Which means it will be fun, in great lunge tradition, to see Tiggity completely ignore our advice and make a post later about how it’s better but he probably wouldn’t do the job again if he knew now what he will know then.
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Oculus Spirit [97772]
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It sounds simple. Which is why I'm worried. If this is a 15-20 minute deal
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Dec 28, 2023, 11:07 AM
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like I THINK it may be, then it will be worth it. If a line was not already run, I wouldn't bother.
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Oculus Spirit [81079]
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I guess I'm not following.
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Dec 28, 2023, 11:11 AM
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Are you attaching the new cable to the old and pulling it that way? That's gonna blow dinks if it breaks half way through the pull.
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Oculus Spirit [97772]
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That is my only worry.
Dec 28, 2023, 11:16 AM
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And really it's a short pull up the wife's office wall. It's going down the interior wall that has me worried. The holes the electrician drilled were large though, at least the one in the crawlspace and top are plenty big enough for the connector and then some to pass through. I have a tool and can fish the wire up to wife's office if needed, but if it gets stuck in that interior wall, that's my main concern.
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Oculus Spirit [81079]
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no man.
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Dec 28, 2023, 11:17 AM
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Don't mess with that.
Nothing good will come from this.
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^^Listen to the man^^***
Dec 28, 2023, 11:20 AM
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Re: ^^Listen to the man^^***
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Dec 28, 2023, 11:23 AM
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5 or 6 wraps of electric tape will keep it together. This is easy.
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Use Gorilla tape and not electrical tape to connect
Dec 28, 2023, 1:36 PM
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the cables for pulling. If you hit a snagging rough spot - electrical tape can break or pull loose... Don't ask me how I know....
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Oculus Spirit [81079]
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I like he's worrying about 800 vs 1 GB.
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Dec 28, 2023, 11:09 AM
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I have a 1 GB (but redundant) express route from our DC to my Azure cloud, with 30+ developers attaching to it ALL DAY through VDI, and of all the complaints I get...speed of using has never been one of them.
I have no idea what that links effective b/w is. I should check that one day I guess.
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Lot o points [155986]
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You doing much with SD WAN?
Dec 28, 2023, 12:23 PM
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That was just heating up as I left the indistry. Cool technology but I have a huge knowledge gap there.
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Oculus Spirit [81079]
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On some WAN stuff.
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Dec 28, 2023, 1:06 PM
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But we've backed off some in th last few years.
We've had a lot of problems with WAN links between DC's etc. We were all into it but we found out NAT'd links--and everything is a NAT'd link because we are always buying other companies--plays havoc with it.
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Have you tried the stuff from Obi?***
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Dec 28, 2023, 1:45 PM
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Re: Have you tried the stuff from Obi?***
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Dec 28, 2023, 1:51 PM
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Oculus Spirit [81079]
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This sounds like consumer grade stuff
Dec 28, 2023, 1:53 PM
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If its not Cisco, Palo Alto, etc...we aren't using it.
Just the way they are.
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:35 AM
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so is spectrum that bad?
currently have ATT dsl, I know I know, but when att put in fiber in our neighborhood, they didn't go down our side of neighborhood. So now paying 40/mo for 25M dsl. Seems to do ok for our streaming but still....
only other options are Spectrum cable, or ATT mobile data wifi.
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You're on DSL because fiber is on the wrong side of the street?
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:40 AM
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And I thought I had it bad to live just on the other side of the border with SC where you can get likker at Costco.
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Oculus Spirit [97772]
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Took a fleet of immigrant workers maybe 5 days to install the fiber lines
Dec 28, 2023, 11:02 AM
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The lines are FAR back from the road, maybe 10-15 feet. Not sure the utility right of way goes that far back, but anyway...
The way they installed it was amazing. Our yard had two holes ,some yards only had one. It was maybe 3 feet long, and 4 feet deep (very deep) and about shovel-width wide. Every 20 yards or so they'd do one of these holes. Then they'd run the line from hole to hole somehow, underground. Made a weird noise. Not sure how it worked, but when done they filled the hole, replaced the grass, and in 2 weeks you couldn't even tell. VERY impressed how they did it. Spectrum would probably come in with a trencher.
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Spectrum is fine. Getting Spectrum, or any of them, installed or repaired
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:42 AM
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can be awful. Once they are up and running, no problem.
My spectrum is reliable and getting 367 download at most recent test, so plenty fast.
For me I would probably go with wired spectrum over the ATT, but it's a tossup.
Definitely move on from that DSL after you have something else installed. I bet they will quit supporting it soon.
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Oculus Spirit [97772]
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Spectrum was $99 for 500mbps (highest they offer)
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:52 AM
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Carolina Connect is $90 for 1Gbps. ALSO, Spectrum in our hood is unreliable. At least 4-5 outages a week. Neighborhood FB group blows up. Most have moved to Carolina Connect. We have a fiber line in the front yard about 4 feet deep, which is the main neighborhood line. All houses have it, and most have moved from spectrum. Faster, cheaper, more reliable, no brainer.
For example we could go 500mbps with Carolina Connect for half the price ($50) of the same speed with Spectrum. Not sure why so many people in the hood still have Spectrum. Maybe they dropped their prices lately? No clue. We chose to upgrade speed and keep the bill roughly the same. Those 2-3ms pings are also very nice for son who games. Spectrum pings were usually around 15-20.
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Oculus Spirit [81079]
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Are you running multiple pr0n servers behind some f5's or something?
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Dec 28, 2023, 10:52 AM
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What's the worry over 800Mbs over 1 Gb? Does it matter?
If you are going from the ISP, you're going to have some inherent b/w loss just due to that. Your effective rate isn't going to be near that regardless just due to ethernet. Plus, at best , you are 1 Gb from your router to your ISP's router. From there...peering agreements, poorly maintained BGP routes, etc between them and how ever they access the internet will be out of your control.
If it's fast enough to stream movies and do whatever you need to do, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Don't forget to
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Dec 28, 2023, 11:03 AM
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spit on it before you start pulling.
Kinda what Obed said, not really worth it.
If it's easy, and you already bought it, sure...
But if you think the wire is going to get stuck halfway in....that would suck.
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How many beers allocated to project. My experience .
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Dec 28, 2023, 11:16 AM
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There’s a direct correlation between beer consumption and “perceived” project success.
Do it. Drink a few brews. Declare success and be happy. Regardless of outcome.
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