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Move funding to another program
Jan 30, 2021, 2:11 PM
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Dan needs to cut funding to the basketball program. The product is atrocious, stadiums are nearly empty pre covid, there is no future with the program.
Why not shift funding to something we can actually compete in. I’d start with golf and softball programs. After that give more to Butler and Women’s team. They field a better product than the men’s team.
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Re: Move funding to another program
Jan 30, 2021, 2:15 PM
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Tear down LJ to allow more football parking
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Re: Move funding to another program
Jan 30, 2021, 2:23 PM
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How many spaces could we put there? Could still call it the Littlejohn lot. I would think several thousand.
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Re: Move funding to another program
Jan 30, 2021, 2:35 PM
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Now that there is the best idea that anybody has come up with yet. I mean there is as many complaining about parking during FB season as it is about Brad and the BB team. Great Idea, turn Littlejohn into FB parking. There is enough room in that area to build a 3 or 4 tier parking garage as anyone has ever seen, and with tailgating on the top level.
Great Idea DPhillips, your 98th post should be, Post of this decade!!!
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Re: Move funding to another program
Jan 30, 2021, 2:41 PM
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While I prefer my lot 6 pass having a tailgating parking deck seems like a cool idea! Plus back in my day no students would ever complain about more commuter parking. Win win!
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Re: Move funding to another program
Jan 30, 2021, 2:17 PM
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Lol. Basketball is and always should be the second biggest sport. It's way more exciting of a sport than anything besides football. How about we just commit to it and find the right coach?
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Re: Move funding to another program
Jan 30, 2021, 2:19 PM
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We should do that. I’ll start by picking the winning powerball numbers and go from there.
Basketball might be the second most entertaining sport (to which I disagree) but I don’t think anyone who watched that game today can use the word exciting to describe it. Our softball team was selling out the stadium in the first year and got better as the season went. Something basketball team can’t say over the last decade.
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Kill MBB and bring back Xcountry & Track.
Jan 30, 2021, 2:27 PM
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At least we weren't getting slaughtered at the meets. Of course, I am joking from a $ earning standpoint.
This is ridiculous for a major BB program.
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Re: Kill MBB and bring back Xcountry & Track.
Jan 30, 2021, 2:31 PM
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Hey id put x country and track in that second tier behind softball lol. Sad state of affairs womens basketball and track are better options.
If no one shows up is basketball still the second best option lol!
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Re: Move funding to another program
Jan 30, 2021, 2:54 PM
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And they will start their second ever season out as the #6 team in the country. And as long as the HC salary never reaches that of what Brad is being paid, the team, and how it performs will always be what the HC is most concerned about. In this generation of college sports, there is waymore infinites on what the head coaches make, than the sport itself!!!
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Re: Move funding to another program
Jan 30, 2021, 2:34 PM
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THIS ^^^ The Athletic Dept cut Men’s Track and Cross Country because of money and funding, yet they will pour money into this black hole of a basketball program.
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Do you know how much the bball program brings in?
Jan 30, 2021, 2:50 PM
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Bball season tickets - couple thousand (I'm being generous) X country season tix - 0
bball concessions - couple thou (see above) x country concessions - 0
bball coaches pay - couple mill x country coaches - IDK
Money wise, I'm thinking bball is bringing in a "couple" more dollars. Not sure, but maybe Clemson gets some money from ACC when the other teams go to The Big Dance - kinda like the football bowl payoff to other teams. Some football teams don't make it to a bowl, but they still get money. Maybe Clemson bball is making a couple thou off of other ACC bball teams. Not sure that would happen in the X country world of sports.
Go Tigers AND Stay Well Clemson Nation!
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That’s historically the Clemson way.
Jan 30, 2021, 2:54 PM
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Fund basketball as little as possible, because we’re a football school after all. But we will still complain about basketball, because why shouldn’t we be good despite a crappy history and minimal support for the sport?
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Re: That’s historically the Clemson way.
Jan 30, 2021, 3:00 PM
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Dan has spent good money renovating littlejohn and upping coaches salaries for basketball. If you want championships (which I think is the goal for most schools) divert funding to sports that can obtain them. Notice I never stated in my original post anything about more money to football.
I’m not talking revenue generation but simply funding programs that can deliver championships to Clemson. I think softball after a half of a year is way closer to doing that than basketball. Take funding away, let us be last and we still get the same revenue split from teams going to dance anyway. Use the money to bring home a national championship in softball and to a lesser degree baseball. Fans will support winning programs and we are closer in both of those sports. Like I said, next tier should be women’s basketball. Butler has made significant strides improving that team. Money better spent if championships is what you want. Football is your cash cow and is strong.
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Re: That’s historically the Clemson way.
Jan 30, 2021, 8:36 PM
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Good money? what was the LJ renovation. 77Mil, 80Mil? That was a freaking drizzle
UVA spent about 130 or 160 mill in 2006 dollars to built their program.
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Re: That’s historically the Clemson way.
Jan 30, 2021, 4:43 PM
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Yeah, yeah, poor basketball, no one shows the team or coach any love! Behind football, Clemson has poured more money into basketball for years now. No, it’s not football, but millions have been spent and we all know it. Brownell has been given the time and money to make this program competitive and has failed. You want fans and media to show up? How about win on a consistent, competitive basis.
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Actually, significant money was only poured into men’s basketball
Jan 30, 2021, 4:49 PM
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a few years ago. Note that this is significant money for Clemson, not significant money in the grand scheme of college basketball. Nothing close to what top programs spend.
The new facilities and staff Brad asked for have been in place for a few years. Since then, we have:
-Made the NCAA Sweet 16 -Barely missed NCAAs (NET in 30s), high seed for NIT -Had season cut short by COVID (season included 3 wins over top 6 teams) -Had top 20 recruiting class, one of only a handful in program history
This year is obviously important. We have been patient with Brad, but he now has tools in place to be expected to make the NCAAs every year.
I don’t know what DRad’s specific expectations are, but I would guess that he has similar expectations. The critique that he doesn’t care about being successful simply isn’t true.
My hunch is that Brad is gone if we don’t make the NCAAs this year. And I think that’s reasonable.
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Re: Actually, significant money was only poured into men’s basketball
Jan 30, 2021, 6:37 PM
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Judge, I admire your support and always taking up for Brownell when no one else would. I’ve tried and think many others have tried to give him the time and support it would take to build something. No one expects this program to be Kentucky, Duke, or Virginia, but competitive. Don’t even have to make the Dance every year, but this program is not progressing, it’s regressing. And CoVid is not an excuse.
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Regressing the last four games? Yes, obviously.
Jan 30, 2021, 6:43 PM
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Regressing this season overall? It’s too soon to say.
It was just a couple of weeks ago we were ranked #12 and some had us as high as a #2 seed for the NCAA Tournament.
The test will be in how we finish. We don’t have any resume damaging losses in terms of who we’ve lost to. We have some really good wins. I just don’t know how team morale is at this point.
If Brad is our guy, he will figure out a way to turn things around this year. If not, I think he’s gone.
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Men’s Soccer is on an absolute tear. Has been
Jan 30, 2021, 5:04 PM
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Unbeknownst to most Tiger fans. The updates to Riggs have really added a lot of value to the product and the program deserves it. Noonan deserves it. I say devote more funds to the Men’s Soccer program. Hopefully attendance will increase. The women’s team will benefit as well.
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Find the right coach. Recruiting to Clemson should be much
Jan 30, 2021, 5:45 PM
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easier than Brad is making it. All aspects of Clemson are riding high due to the success and visibility of the football program under Dabo and company, but Clemson basketball has continued to struggle attracting quality talent.
We knew years ago what Brad was. When a person shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
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LOL at football success somehow making it easier for basketball.***
Jan 30, 2021, 6:45 PM
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A violation of Keller Dogma? You should take a seat in back
Jan 30, 2021, 8:30 PM
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as you've been wrong for quite a few years.
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H-ll no! Parasitical programs are a bad drain on revenue as is...
Jan 30, 2021, 6:30 PM
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If anything, liquid any assets & transfer that along w/ the annual funding to the revenue generator, the football program-particularly if return on investment is a concern-
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Re: Move funding to another program
Jan 30, 2021, 8:34 PM
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We need to do whatever it takes (outside of cheating) to have a competitive basketball team. There is no excuse for not trying to improve.
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