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Absolutely, Cade is the future of this team. Play him NOW!
Nov 13, 2022, 10:23 AM
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or he might be gone. He's fast, mobile and can throw. I'd let him play the last two games.
I'm so dang tired of DJ fumbling (stupidly), not moving out of the pocket, getting sacked, overthrowing the ball and tossing too many 50/50 throws! He's slow and makes too many really bad decisions!
Just venting, but I'm beyond frustrated with this overrated QB. Let him take his NIL and vamoose!!
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Not sure how the starting QB is supposed to get better
Nov 13, 2022, 10:32 AM
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by sitting on the bench. He has 2 more games to get ready for the ACCCG and 3 more for a bowl game (or possible CFB playoff game). But, you have your opinion.
Cade is not ready (and this is my opinion). How many pass plays has he had called? Not many, because he's not ready. And I think the coaches would know better than me that he's not ready.
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Re: Not sure how the starting QB is supposed to get better
Nov 13, 2022, 10:41 AM
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While I agree that Cade may not be ready, DJ has certainly looked very suspect as to his, “being ready”, a lot this year. I’d love for DJ to really be able to look over the entire field to see which other receivers are more open than his primary receiver. JMO
DJ makes some great plays, but he has surely missed some great opportunities, too.
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You're right. We don't know what we get from CK, but we know what we get from DJ.
Nov 13, 2022, 10:44 AM
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He's had 25 games to get better. At this point I think we know who he is and he's a low floor, medium ceiling guy. Incredible arm talent, can make all the throws but at the end of the day just can't consistently but points on the board.
My take on it is the same as when we had KB2 under center. He's going to win most games because of the talent around him, but we're not going to beat the best teams with him. Let's give the next guy a chance to show what he can do. It doesn't mean you have to start CK or permanently bench DJ, just means you need to give CK some series and actually cut him loose.
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For the record, I think DJ would be much more successful with a better system around him.
Nov 13, 2022, 10:47 AM
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He looked pretty good when we've gone faster and kept the defense on their heels a bit like on our opening series yesterday. But then for some reason on offense we always take our foot off the pedal. He really just need a new scheme and system on offense because what we've got hasn't worked well for years. It was only successful because we had elite quarterbacks that would have been successful in any system.
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He belongs in a pro style offense
Nov 13, 2022, 10:51 AM
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Give him a decent OL and a pro style offense and he probably would be a first round draft pick. He reminds me a lot of Roethlisberger. But Roethlisberger is probably a better scrambler.
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It's a great comparison physically and arm talent wise.
Nov 13, 2022, 10:58 AM
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He just doesn't make plays like Ben did. Even in college Ben processed plays quickly and could go through reads. He had command of the offense.
Some of you guys would know better than me. I don't know if that's something you can really learn and improve dramatically versus being an ability with limitations. Sort of like some guys just run faster, some people have brains that process information more quickly. I would offer as a comparison this - DJ is a better thrower of the ball than DW4, but Watson processed things so much more quickly and that's why he's a better quarterback.
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And he was a great runner.
Nov 13, 2022, 12:42 PM
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He was great at running the RPO. Which is the foundation of our offensive scheme. But we have basically abandoned that because DJ can’t do it.
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I agree. It’s still a square peg, round hole issue.
Nov 13, 2022, 12:46 PM
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DJ is a pro style QB, yet our coaches felt that he would be perfect as a run pass option QB. Makes zero sense why we recruited him if he didn’t fit our offense and our coaches weren’t willing (or able) to adapt the offense to fit his skills.
DJ’s talent has been wasted at Clemson, and our offense has suffered as well because we’ve been playing a QB with the wrong skill set for the type of offense we seem determined to run.
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Re: He belongs in a pro style offense
Nov 13, 2022, 1:16 PM
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The announcers on TV made this point a couple of different times yesterday. If he had the talent TL had around him things would look a lot different. Think how he played against BC and ND his freshman year when he DID have that talent around him.
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First is he needs to play up to that BC and ND proven potential
Nov 17, 2022, 11:23 AM
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That would help the talent to showcase their skills. As it is now, they're just not being given much of an opportunity. Trevor, for instance, moved in the pocket and could scramble when needed.thread a needle, he moved through progressions, he could thread a needle, and he wasn't hesitant to give a 1:1 WR a chance.
Insert Trevor with no additional "talent", and the guys we have now show their skills.
It ALL starts with the QB.
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Re: First is he needs to play up to that BC and ND proven potential
Nov 17, 2022, 11:44 AM
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The only 2 data points we have is how DJ played with the same guys TL had. And the results were pretty darn good. Not perfect, but he was a Freshman after all seeing his first action in those games. You just can't expect the kind of dropout we've had from that team from a talent and experience perspective and not expect to see a dropoff in the QB play. I agree he has deficiencies but I do have to wonder how he might have progressed had he had more games as a starter with a team like he had his Freshman year.
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In a pro style offense, would he...
Nov 14, 2022, 8:22 AM
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Have to read the defense?
Manage the pocket?
Make multiple reads?
Make split decisions under pressure?
Anticipate receivers being open?
Any "Yes" as an answer to these will result in the same results.... A mixed bag.
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Exactly. JK talking out of her ### as usual
Nov 17, 2022, 11:19 AM
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She's either terribly ignorant, a hypocritical troll, or a combination of both. Notice she NEVER replies to common sense like yours, which leads me to lean more towards the hypocritical troll side of things. She just keeps spouting the same nonsense over and over, while ignoring the fact she's been completely debunked.
Keep up the good fight, sir.
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Re: You're right. We don't know what we get from CK, but we know what we get from DJ.
Nov 13, 2022, 4:14 PM
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I agree that DJ has not lived up to expectations and remains limited. But CK is just not ready yet, period. I think the coaches have made that rational calculation and understand that this team has a better shot at winning withj DJ than with CK. It is as simple as that.
This team has won 9 games with DJ at QB and he is our best hope going forward. I believe that he can get us to the CFP with a little luck.
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Re: Not sure how the starting QB is supposed to get better
Nov 13, 2022, 10:58 AM
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While you are correct that Cade may not be ready for the starting spot why not get him some real experience? Handing the ball off and a RB fumbling is not real experience. Why pull him to only have DJ come back in to do what? That's right hand the ball off. Do you know how many passing yards we had in the 2nd half?......34 yards. Do you know how many pass attempts we had in the 4th qtr?.....zero yes thats right zero. We don't put teams away and we don't get our players real experience like in yester years.
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Re: Not sure how the starting QB is supposed to get better
Nov 13, 2022, 4:17 PM
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creek,
Do you expect Dabo to put the state championship and the ACC Championship on the line just to get CK a little more experience ? Do you really think that he would do that to his players/fans/program ??
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Re: Not sure how the starting QB is supposed to get better
Nov 13, 2022, 8:11 PM
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Tobias
Can you explain why zero pass attempts in the 4th and only 35 yards in the 2nd half?
I don't believe Dabo will squander a win but his protection of DJ is very perplexing.
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Re: Not sure how the starting QB is supposed to get better
Nov 13, 2022, 10:21 PM
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creek,
when we are rfunning the ball well, why throw it ?
We had 250 yards rushing and at least a 10 point lead.
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Re: Not sure how the starting QB is supposed to get better
Nov 13, 2022, 10:21 PM
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running the ball
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Re: Not sure how the starting QB is supposed to get better
Nov 14, 2022, 7:45 AM
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And he puts Cade in to hand the ball off 3 times. How is that getting him meaningful reps? How is thst getting him the experience he will need for next year. How is a 10 point lead safe with this team?
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Re: Not sure how the starting QB is supposed to get better
Nov 13, 2022, 1:13 PM
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I agree. They have squandered the opportunity to get Cade ready to play any meaningful minutes this season. No reason to risk getting him hurt now.
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Re: Not sure how the starting QB is supposed to get better
Nov 13, 2022, 10:26 PM
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I love this illogical response. DJ is not getting any better. Somehow 2 games is going to turn him around? And what about him tells you he's ready?
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Cade: 9 for 20 (45%) for 85 yards, TD and an INT.
Nov 17, 2022, 11:29 AM
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He's not ready, and forcing to play / start wouldn't change it, and we likely would have lost more games.
Not you, but these folks who think he'd be ready if we forced it don't get the way things work. Plus Dabo has shown repeatedly the best player, including the QB, will play.
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Re: Absolutely, Cade is the future of this team. Play him NOW!
Nov 13, 2022, 10:35 AM
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It won't matter who we put back there in this archaic offensive system. I don't think people understand that.
Watching Phil Longo at UNC put on a clinic last night was eye opening as to how far we have dropped in the world of offensive coordinators.
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Re: Absolutely, Cade is the future of this team. Play him NOW!
Nov 13, 2022, 10:40 AM
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It won't matter who we put back there in this archaic offensive system. I don't think people understand that.
Watching Phil Longo at UNC put on a clinic last night was eye opening as to how far we have dropped in the world of offensive coordinators.
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How many assistants has Brad run through?
Nov 17, 2022, 11:36 AM
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What's he doing wrong, troll?
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Re: Absolutely, Cade is the future of this team. Play him NOW!
Nov 13, 2022, 10:45 AM
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Oh, we gave him some snaps … several handoffs .. that’ll get him ready if needed. 
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I'v rationalized why Dabo contiues to start DJ...
Nov 13, 2022, 10:47 AM
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and performed all the mental gymnastics needed to work with. I eliminated most of them due to recognizing that many do not benefit the team. I got the list down to four.
1. DJ really is the best QB on this team.
2. DJ experience alone makes him more qualified than Cade.
3. The team doesn't have the confidence in Cade that they have in DJ.
4. Replacing DJ will cause him to leave the program and leave us with only one functional QB.
All of those reasons have holes big enough to drive a train through. I simply refuse to believe #1. There's no possible way Cade would fumble more or throw more interceptions than DJ, it's just not possible. Cade is at least four steps faster in a 40 yrd sprint that DJ and Cade's first step is quicker than DJ's top end.
2. DJ's first outing against ND three years ago was his best performance. I wish he could reproduce that performance just once more.
3. Maybe but Cade seemed to have excited our team on both sides of the ball when he pulled the Cuse game out of the toilet,
4. While DJ leaving wouldn't bother some, would delight many and bring several of us to overwhelming orgasmic joy it would possibly make Dabo feel as if he's lost a son. While based on a 'whatif,' it seems to be the most likely possibility but I feel it would be the most positive thing he could do for the team by giving Cade some FBS experience which helps to prepare him for the starting job next season. He has been denied that opportunity this year.
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I could add to all of those responses but you did a pretty good job
Nov 13, 2022, 11:01 AM
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But I do need to say this about number three. If you go back and rewatch the Notre Dame game when DJ was a freshman, he threw for a lot of yards, but other than that his game was not very good. His running was of course terrible. he missed some opportunities in the passing game despite the yardage he threw for. And good Lord, it looked like he had never handed the ball off in his life! Didn’t he try to stuff the ball into ETN’s facemask and it became a fumble scoop and score?
He threw for a lot of yards. The rest of that game he was terrible.
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Don’t you trust the coaches to play the best players?
Nov 13, 2022, 12:54 PM
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They see our players in practice every day.
If Cade gave us a better chance to win, he would start.
If the coaches had confidence in him, he would be playing more.
It feels like they play him because they feel like they have to, and not because they really want to. I think it’s clear that they don’t fully trust Cade.
Based on what I’ve heard, Cade can make some great plays but also can make some really bad decisions. DJ is safer in comparison.
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Re: Don’t you trust the coaches to play the best players?
Nov 13, 2022, 1:23 PM
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I think you could be on to something. They always talk about a player needing to "prove they can trust him" before giving him meaningful minutes. People point back to the Syracuse game for Cade but we seem to forget that he threw a perfect pick-6 to a stone-handed LB or it would have been lights out in that game. They just have not developed Cade to play this year which is pretty obvious so the result now has become a self-fulfilling prophecy in that he hasn't played enough to be trusted.
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Disagree
Nov 13, 2022, 6:36 PM
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Why wouldn't you believe #1? All we heard last year was, why aren't we starting Taisun Phommachanh? Based on his performance this year, he wasn't ready this year much less last year.
There's no possible way Cage would fumble as much as DJ? Since there are maybe 10% of passing plays that Cade is able to run, wouldn't the defense stack the box to prevent the run? I know of 2 teams that ONLY run the ball and that's Army and Navy. Do you think honestly think a QB straight out of high school could be pounded on for maybe 100 plays per game by Div 1 players and not feel this impact by game 3/4/5 much less by the ACCCG?
I'm looking forward to getting Cade ready to be the #1 QB on the Clemson Tigers. And I don't think he's ready.
We've been spoiled by 2 back-to-back generational QBs to come to Clemson. Besides Watson and Lawrence, who else has been ready to play QB as a Freshman?
There's a lot more to play for this year than to start Cade right now (IMO).
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Re: Disagree
Nov 14, 2022, 7:28 AM
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I am no tar hole fan but Maye certainly was.
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DJ can only run 10% of the plays in our playbook.
Nov 16, 2022, 5:36 PM
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You've not noticed fans wanting to fire Streeter for playcalling, of lack thereof?
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Not so fast my friend!
Nov 13, 2022, 10:49 AM
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Because he hasn’t gotten much playing time he’s not gonna have a very big advantage over the really fantastic freshman we have coming in this January and we are recruiting two of the top five quarterbacks in the country for the 2023 class. The kid out of Texas and a kid out of Charlotte. They’re both considered top five quarterbacks.
So I wouldn’t say it’s a lock that we know who the quarterback will be next year.
If it is Cade it will be on Dabo that he doesn’t have the experience he needs. With our talent and a better coaching staff most of our games this year would be over at the half and he would have almost as many snaps as DJ. Thus, we would have an experienced quarterback next year. Assuming he wins the job this spring.
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CK was rated higher than Vizzina, fwiw.***
Nov 13, 2022, 11:02 AM
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Re: Not so fast my friend!
Nov 13, 2022, 1:27 PM
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If the DJ experiment is any example then Cade should feel really good about starting next year. Instead of "next man up" it seems like it is "next man in line" when it comes to picking a QB...
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Re: Absolutely, Cade is the future of this team. Play him NOW!***
Nov 13, 2022, 8:23 PM
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Re: Absolutely, Cade is the future of this team. Play him NOW!
Nov 13, 2022, 10:07 PM
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Cade Klubnik can barely complete a pass. Lol
Go rewatch his drives. Then you'll see why DJ is the starter.
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