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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 10:23 AM
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This is the exact reason why, if someone or some entity does not get
control of this nil it will be the end of college football. The colleges
will become minor league teams financed by the NFL to produce players
for them. This is sickening if true, and Fla ought to receive the death
penalty from the NCAA.
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CU Guru [1164]
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Not so. College football has been the NFL minor league for decades.
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May 21, 2024, 10:32 AM
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NIL contracts are perfectly legal and they are here to stay.
The problem in this case wasn't NIL. It was the collective promising money they didn't have.
That's not a problem with NIL. It is potentially old, garden variety fraud, as the court case alleges.
If there was no written contract, proof may not happen. If there was a written contract, it's lots worse for the collective.
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Re: Not so. College football has been the NFL minor league for decades.
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May 21, 2024, 10:41 AM
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Nice try, but don't blow smoke. Someone needs to get control
of it. That should be obvious to everyone. It is because of nil
these things happen, and no other reason.
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So you ignore years of reality?
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May 21, 2024, 11:17 AM
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College football already is a a defacto minor league for the NFL. It has been for a long time.
The NFL doesn't have anything to do with NIL.
There is no "need" to get control of NIL.
When you say that, it's like someone else telling you that they need to "get control" of your business.
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Re: So you ignore years of reality?
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May 21, 2024, 12:20 PM
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The SEC,big 10? for sure! They were cheating before hand and now it is legal with no boundaries. It will be the end for football / all sports to a lot of schools that just do not have the $ support! It will ruin it for most student athletes that just want $ to go to school. 85 students x 40 teams = 3500.
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CU Guru [1164]
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No, it won't. The sky is not falling.
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May 21, 2024, 1:23 PM
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Despite the Chicken Littles crying that it is.
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CU Guru [1164]
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The federal courts have ruled that NIL is completely legal.
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May 21, 2024, 11:21 AM
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They have also ruled that the NCAA can't interfere in it whatsoever.
The SCOTUS concurring opinion in NCAA vs Alston says that the NCAA's entire sports model violates federal law.
The UF case is an outlier. It's a simple case of someone promising to pay money they didn't have.
That happens all the time in the business world, but no one is saying "that's the end of business" when that happens.
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Talk about blowing smoke? That's you.
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May 21, 2024, 11:36 AM
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You're conveniently forgetting to mention the decades of bagmen, new homs for mama, sports cars, no show jobs for daddy, etc that were rampant before the NCAA lost their azzes in the Alston case.
Now let's apply that to your job. It's about time that some 3rd party gets appointed to make times for your job, limit how much you can make, and interfere with any business deal you have with anyone else.
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CU Guru [1164]
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Only control freaks want to control other people's private businesses.
May 22, 2024, 10:54 AM
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That's what NIL collectives are.
One case of fraud isn't an indictment of a system that otherwise is finally getting some fairness for the athletes, and ending the decades of the NCAA illegally exploiting them.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 11:28 AM
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What death penalty? There are basically no NCAA rules anymore except for when to recruit and how many scholarships.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 12:08 PM
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Probably depends on which rules were in place at the time (or however the nutless monkey at NCAA HQ is feeling that day)
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No, it doesn't. The injunction...
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May 21, 2024, 1:41 PM
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In the Tennessee and Virginia vs NCAA case pre evrs those lawbreaking NCAA rules from being enforced. The NCAA can't interfere in NIL in any way, or hand out any punishments for anyone that violated those illegal rules.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 12:27 PM
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If they were minor league franchises, wouldn't the players be making less than $1mil? I read where the lowest paid NFL players recieve a min. $795K. There should be a cap on what these kids can make.
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That would be blatantly illegal under federal law.
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May 21, 2024, 1:26 PM
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It violates the 1890 Sherman Antitrust Act and likely the 1887 Interstate Commerce Act. It definitely violates the federal injunction in the states of Tennessee/Virginia vs NCAA case.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 2:11 PM
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Oddly, Florida isn't named in the suit. I suspect you'll see college kids turning to agents in order to keep from getting reneged on after walking away from guaranteed NIL money. I'm in favor of either banning collectives or putting a wall between collectives and schools. It was unmanageable to keep boosters away from students but monitoring 150ish school's contact with boosters or collectives should be more feasible.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL and FSU asking for their NIL penalties to
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May 21, 2024, 10:24 AM
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be reduced. I didn't know there were penalties because there dont seem to be rules.
As for Napier it seems nothing has gone right for him at Fla. At one time he was a young up and coming coach. He probably will be looking for another gig at the end of the year.
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CU Guru [1164]
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FSU, Florida, and Miami...
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May 21, 2024, 1:32 PM
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All bent over for the NCAA.
UNC told them to pound sand and got away with it.
Tennessee took the offensive and sued the NCAA, getting an injunction that ire evts the NCAA from interfering in NIL in any way.
If they win the case (likely) it's going to probably moot any NCAA penalty for boosters, outside benefits, or any previous penalties within the statute if limitations.
Reggie Bush already got t his Heisman back and us suing the NCAA for defamation. Given that what they said about him was based on their rules that were illegal in the first place, he has a string case.
The NCAA is in the run on every front.
They are losing every court case and injunction.
It is silly to want to go back to their illegal eats in the name of "control" or "so I don't need a program to know the players".
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So basically, Napier and the FL booster were cheating...
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May 21, 2024, 10:25 AM
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considering that it is a violation of NCAA rules to use NIL deals to persuade a prospect to attend a particular school or for boosters to take part in the recruiting process, not to mention promising the prospects father a job.
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Who is going to enforce it?
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May 21, 2024, 11:00 AM
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The NCAA has been neutered.
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CU Guru [1164]
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They are barred from enforcing that illegal rulr
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May 21, 2024, 11:29 AM
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By the federal injunction in the States of Tennessee and Virginia vs NCAA federal case.
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and therein lies the problem...
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May 21, 2024, 12:56 PM
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It's the wild west with no regulations or accountability, so why wouldn't schools continue to do it.
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There is plenty of accountability.
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May 21, 2024, 1:39 PM
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The athletes are accountable to their NIL sponsors.
The athletes are responsible to maintain their eligibility through a minimum GPA.
The athletes have to attend practices, team meetings, and other required team activities.
The NIL collectives are accountable to their donors and corporate sponsors.
The people who purchase Phil Mafah jerseys are accountable for the check not bouncing.
Florida and their NIL group are accountable for welshing in a NIL deal when they promised money they didn't have.
The NCAA is being held accountable for their decades of illegally restricting trade, being an illegal monopoly, and exploiting the athletes' labor for money.
There is plenty of accountability.
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That NCAA rule has been deemed illegal under federal law...
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May 21, 2024, 11:25 AM
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It is one of several NCAA rules that has been shot down in court.
"The NCAA is not above the law".
SCOTUS Justice Kavanaugh
Concurring opinion in NCAA vs Alston
The NCAA lost that case 9-0.
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NIL can be more lucrative than than NFL draft.***
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May 21, 2024, 10:26 AM
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And these type stories gradually erode enthusiasm for college Football.***
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 10:28 AM
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No surprise to me. Think we will hear more of situations like this down the road.
So long college football.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 10:31 AM
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With 20-30 million a year and increasing every year per power 4 team, it can and will get worse.
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Not too late to enroll for the fall, Westphal!***
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May 21, 2024, 10:47 AM
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"expose the unchecked abuse of power "
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May 21, 2024, 10:53 AM
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lol.
i would love to know what Jaden Rashada got on his SAT?
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NIL isn't the problem...
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May 21, 2024, 10:56 AM
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Corruption and lack of control is the problem. Napier, the NIL Director, and the Booster (Gator Guard Collective owner) all knowingly violated NCAA recruiting rules during this fiasco and no one is there to hold them accountable.
Until there is a new governing body in place that can enforce the rules, expect more chaos.
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Those NCAA recruiting rules violated federal law
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May 21, 2024, 11:28 AM
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Are you really supporting their law breaking?
There already is all the control of NIL we need. It's calmed the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 11:10 AM
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Just another aspect of how NIL is ruining CFB. Surprised this hasn't happened earlier.
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It did n't ruin anything to do with college football
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May 21, 2024, 11:31 AM
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It didn't even ruin the UF football team.
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I don't understand how NIL is supposed to work if there isn't cheating
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May 21, 2024, 11:16 AM
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involved. How can a coach or school not be involved in distribution/decision making to athletes even though theyre not supposed to...? Do the donors just pick the players they want to pay?
And the rule of how paying players cannot be an inducement for recruitment. THIS is LAUGHABLE.
I frankly don't really care - as long as the players suit up and play, I'm good with however they get on to the field.
But I am hoping more suits like this will push some governing body (certainly not the NCAA as they are without purpose or teeth) to intervene and actually creating some type of regulation. Right now, it's a bit of a mess.
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CU Guru [1164]
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NIL can get used as an inducement in recruiting.
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May 21, 2024, 11:45 AM
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The NCAA rule against it is mooted by the injunction in the States of Tennessee and Virginia vs NCAA case.
That case started when the NCAA went after the University of Tennessee and their QB, Nico Iamaleava, for exactly the situation you cited. The Tennessee state AG filed the case as soon as the NCAA fined their notice of investigation. The Virginia AG joined the case a short time later.
They won an injunction that prevents the NCAA from interfering in NIL in any way.
That case has a way to go before trial, but in the injunction, the judge said that the plaintiffs are likely to win on the merits of the case. It's based on the 1890 Sherman Antitrust Act, similar to the NCAA vs Akron ruling.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 11:18 AM
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This actually makes it better for college football. This is the type of nonsense that we need to put an end to the portal and NIL nonsense. The NCAA will get involved and begin passing common sense regulations that prevent the BS and allows for Clemson to capitalize off of the way our program is built.
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End the portal and NIL no sense???
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May 21, 2024, 1:46 PM
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It's not nonsense. It's not going to end.
So say the federal courts in the Tennessee vs NCAA, Ohio vs NCAA, NCAA vs Alston, O'Bannon vs NCAA. Those cumulatively say that the portal, unlimited transfers, and NIL are here to stay. The NCAA is enjoined from interfering with them or limiting them in any way.
Add the billions of damages that are under consideration in the House vs NCAA and Carter vs NCAA cases, the NCAA will be lucky to survive.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 11:19 AM
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College antitrust legislation has been introduced in Congress. A SC House member is a co-sponsor. This is the only way to get control of the situation.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 11:38 AM
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see the writing on the wall yet? pretty soon the PA strike will happen.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 11:57 AM
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Lawyers everywhere are smiling. Some won't have to chase ambulances anymore.
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Re: Napier Sued over NIL
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May 21, 2024, 12:30 PM
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There is zero semblance of amateurism anymore. When word gets around of how much moolah is flowing at other schools, how can we attract even the average player to come to "lil ole Clemson" just for the family atmosphere and a good education?
Guess we will need another division of NCAA football to compete again.
FBS-NIL enhanced
FBS-non NIL
FCS-scholarship
FCS-non scholarship
DII
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NAIA
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Agree. It's over. At some point just stop calling it college football and be
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May 21, 2024, 1:23 PM
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honest for once.
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I do believe that Florida promised him an outrageous
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amount of money and then reneged on it but I’m doubtful that he has enough proof to win a lawsuit against the coach.
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Got a good lawyer, Rusty Hardin represented DW4
May 22, 2024, 10:47 AM
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Napier and company better buckle up
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NIL at its best***
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