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All-In [25014]
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Was Shipley the issue all along?
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:27 PM
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Think about how many of our drives were effectively killed by no gains on 1st and 10 with Shipley slipping into the line.
This is not meant to pile on him, but he could have definitely been a big wrench in the machine overall
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:28 PM
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No.
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Nah
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:33 PM
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Similar to CK2 balling out in the UNC game then struggling against Tennessee, we still have issues but we played well today.
That said, I definitely think Mafah should be 1A instead of Ship now. We should transition Ship to more of the 3rd Down RB/all-purpose swiss knife. More 2-back formations too where Ship or Haynes can come in to be that quick back.
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Orange Blooded [4192]
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I do believe he is an issue.
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:34 PM
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Mafah showed that today.
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We lose today with the usual 3:1 Ship Mafah ratio.***
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They are both good backs. Give it a rest.***
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:37 PM
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Re: They are both good backs. Give it a rest.***
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:42 PM
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Rinse & Repeat 🙄
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:40 PM
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I heard Shipley was not active on the sidelines today. Stayed away from the huddles on the sideline and showed little emotion.
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:41 PM
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It's kind of like the Braves minus Acuna. Some guys are really good players. But zero team sports are won without the team aspect.! Acuna and Shipley are ME guys. I have felt this all season and last year.
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
Nov 4, 2023, 4:42 PM
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I believe we will see a different Ship next week
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
Nov 4, 2023, 4:44 PM
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Better blocking today. If I could put Shipley aggressiveness in Mafahs body we'd have a tailback.
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Just stop. Geez.***
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:46 PM
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
Nov 4, 2023, 4:46 PM
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Shipley has appeared hesitant and slow
Marah seemed much quicker
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Yes too much skipping and limited
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:49 PM
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Vision
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:49 PM
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I suspect the fact that the whole offense looked better without him is a coincidence, but Mafah looks like the stronger back in every metric right now. Better vision, better patience, harder to bring down, and not even significantly slower at the top end.
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The big difference is the line created some holes
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Nov 4, 2023, 5:28 PM
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for a change. It wasn’t that Mafah is better. I believe anybody can that. They both have different skills that are better in certain situations but this “Shipley is no good” stuff is ridiculous.
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
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Nov 4, 2023, 4:51 PM
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Ship appears to not be in the greatest shape physically this year. Mafah is a Beast and a more Savvy runner. The Oline also appears to give more effort when blocking for Big Phil.
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
Nov 4, 2023, 4:52 PM
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Shipley looks small and weak this year.
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
Nov 5, 2023, 9:03 AM
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He's definitely not weak. Rewatch a few games. He takes a beating and keeps coming. They're both talented in their own style.
That being said, Mafah needs to be in the mix a lot more, otherwise it's gonna start looking sus
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No, even ignoring the fact that pur O-line decided to block and our QB...
Nov 4, 2023, 5:00 PM
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was able to hit a crossing receiver, Mafah held onto the ball better today than usual.
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
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Nov 4, 2023, 5:00 PM
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Our O was not that good today. Mafah ran well but besides that it wasn't great. Had the ball at the 50 multiple times and did nothing late. Great win but our O wasn't that impressive.
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
Nov 4, 2023, 5:20 PM
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Compared to lastweek anything today would have been impressive.
Cade seems like he's unsure about everything. It doesn't make sense to me, unless he just doesn't have a high football IQ.
Our D was playing at an elite level against the refs and the Irish.
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
Nov 5, 2023, 8:49 AM
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Really?
Cade delivered multiple throws in some tight windows today. He showed major improvement in his pocket presence too. Cade did his job
Compared to Hartman who was overthrowing and under throwing his receivers all game
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
Nov 5, 2023, 9:12 AM
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the refs looked away quite a few times, so they didn't have to call holding or past interference on the Gold. It was majorly sus... there was a thread here game time.
Cade definitely is feeling more comfortable, and the receivers don't do him many favors, but there are moments that he just seems confused, like he wants to call an audible but isn't allowed to, so goes with the ###### play that he isn't confident in? Or maybe he's a slow learner, as some of us are... lol
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
Nov 5, 2023, 8:56 AM
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Our D was playing at an elite level against the refs and the Irish.
Did you even watch the game?? The refs that didn’t throw a SINGLE flag against us??
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I think so.***
Nov 4, 2023, 5:09 PM
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
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Nov 4, 2023, 5:30 PM
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Think about how many of our drives were effectively killed by no gains on 1st and 10 with Shipley slipping into the line.
This is not meant to pile on him, but he could have definitely been a big wrench in the machine overall
Don't underestimate our pathetic offensive line.
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
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Nov 4, 2023, 5:30 PM
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Now we’re going to blame another poor kid. Enjoy the win and quit being negative.
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Its being positive if anything***
Nov 5, 2023, 8:44 AM
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Did you forget already....
Nov 5, 2023, 8:50 AM
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it's still lingering effects of DJ. SMH.
Go Tigers!
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No, there are many issues. Player favoritism does seem to be one of them
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Nov 5, 2023, 8:51 AM
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because clearly we should have been feeding Mafah more.
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Agree 100%.***
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Nov 5, 2023, 9:10 AM
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
Nov 5, 2023, 8:53 AM
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I do wonder if the OL is tired of blocking for Shipley, a guy who goes ballistic when one of them misses a block…
Could just be coincidence that we ran the ball better yesterday, but wasn’t ND the best run defense we faced all year?
To me it says either the OL was more motivated to block or Mafah just has better vision and patience
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Re: Was Shipley the issue all along?
Nov 5, 2023, 9:09 AM
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Reasonable it could be a combination of both of those things you mentioned, and more. Idea that we reduced the amount of pulling and movement OLinemen did yesterday probably added to the success as well. Iotw, I think Shipley still prob does okay yesterday with the zone blocking. Is Mafah a guy who needs 20-25 carries to get the most out of him, that’s possible too.
I truly believe Clemson offense has had several aspects that needed work and changes. Don’t think it was ever just one or two things. Hats off to the coaches for this week and the changes that were made. Seriously, take a lap for that. Game plan and in-game play improved. The changes they made absolutely made a positive difference. Go Tigers!
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I think his attitude is more of an issue than his play.
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Nov 5, 2023, 9:04 AM
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But Mafah is the better RB.
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By every metric Mafa is better.
Nov 5, 2023, 9:07 AM
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They both fumble so that's a wash.
Ship simply can't break tackles or move the pile like Mafa.
Also, the game yesterday shows me that he has a much better jump cut which surprised me to see a big man do it better than Ship.
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