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My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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...I believe Terry Kinard is trying to set up a lawsuit against Clemson University. I am not sure what kind of lawsuit he could file but I am sure there is something some attorney would jump on and try to make a case in this culture we are living in. This is the only explanation for his recent behavior while derailing any future his son may have had as a football player either with Clemson University or another school.
His antics and behavior the past two weeks have proven he is unhinged. At the practice that this alleged event occurred between his son and Dabo, there were well over 100 others in attendance. There were several former players watching bowl practice, there were some high school coaches in attendance that were not affiliated with Clemson University, there were non-football staffers, there were trainers, equipment personnel, other coaches, players, etc. I would also be willing to bet that practice was videotaped in some manner. Not a single person has corroborated Terry's story, not one person has leaked information in private corroborating Terry's or his son's story. Not a single teammate of Terry from his playing days has come out and offered support of him during this time. Not a single friend or teammate of his son, Jaden, has come out and offered support for him. In the current World we live in, people love to leak stories that hurt others. You mean to tell me not one of the over one hundred people at that practice would have corroborated the story even in a private manner if it was true?
I honestly believe this is more than a father looking out for his son. Ring of Honor, 1981 National Championship and great player does not give Terry the entitlement he thinks he deserves in 2023. His latest Facebook video is just another reason why Clemson University needs to distance themselves from him.
I am not one to cancel people, but Terry has dug his own grave here.
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I agree with your statement
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Dec 27, 2023, 3:03 PM
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I would also like to add that I wouldn’t mind if Clemson took down his ROH sign in DV and replaced it with someone more deserving like TL16 or DW4.
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Re: I agree with your statement
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Dec 27, 2023, 3:04 PM
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I think that would draw too much negative attention.
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Re: I agree with your statement
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Dec 27, 2023, 3:53 PM
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Agree, unless it becomes more than just posts (words) then the less said the better.
You make a point tatted, but I think, as others have pointed out, it's as simple as TK thinking he's been dissed by Clemson and the administration.
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Re: I agree with your statement
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I watched Terry Kennard play football for Clemson, as did many on this board. He was a great football player and was a major piece for a defense that won a national championship. He went on to represent Clemson very well as a starter for the New York Giants and an all pro level defensive player. He was greatness in a Clemson uniform.
I wish Terry didn’t go public with his complaint regarding his son’s experience, but I’ll give Terry all the slack in the world regarding this issue, which will certainly pass away with time.
An accountability run and a public dressing down are non-issues compared to what happened to Craig James son being put in the hotbox at Texas Tech. No lawyer is going to take a sniff much less a bite of this story for a lawsuit.
Hopefully, Jeff Davis will get involved in someway and make this go away. And hopefully the son will arrive at a destination where he has a competitive chance of reaching the field and is a better young man and player as a result of his short time at Clemson.
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He should go to
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The Citadel. They need players. And they won't yell at him there. Oh wait, never mind.
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The whole "hot box story" was proven to a total and complete...
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fabrication that was manufactured by Adam James and dispersed by ESPN and Craig James.
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Re: I agree with your statement
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I watched Terry Kennard play football for Clemson, as did many on this board. He was a great football player and was a major piece for a defense that won a national championship. He went on to represent Clemson very well as a starter for the New York Giants and an all pro level defensive player. He was greatness in a Clemson uniform.
I wish Terry didn’t go public with his complaint regarding his son’s experience, but I’ll give Terry all the slack in the world regarding this issue, which will certainly pass away with time.
An accountability run and a public dressing down are non-issues compared to what happened to Craig James son being put in the hotbox at Texas Tech. No lawyer is going to take a sniff much less a bite of this story for a lawsuit.
Hopefully, Jeff Davis will get involved in someway and make this go away. And hopefully the son will arrive at a destination where he has a competitive chance of reaching the field and is a better young man and player as a result of his short time at Clemson.
MiamiBeach, you are a level-headed diplomat. Most people could learn from your pragmatic and kind approach.
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Re: I agree with your statement
Dec 29, 2023, 5:17 PM
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What exactly would we learn edmo71
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Re: I agree with your statement
Dec 27, 2023, 4:06 PM
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I watched Terry Kinard play football for Clemson, as did many on this board. He was a great football player and was a major piece for a defense that won a national championship. He went on to represent Clemson very well as a starter for the New York Giants and an all pro level defensive player. He was greatness in a Clemson uniform.
I wish Terry didn’t go public with his complaint regarding his son’s experience, but I’ll give Terry all the slack in the world regarding this issue, which will certainly pass away with time.
An accountability run and a public dressing down are non-issues compared to what happened to Craig James son being put in the hotbox at Texas Tech. No lawyer is going to take a sniff much less a bite of this story for a lawsuit.
Hopefully, Jeff Davis will get involved in someway and make this go away. And hopefully the son will arrive at a destination where he has a competitive chance of reaching the field and is a better young man and player as a result of his short time at Clemson.
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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I was fine with the 1st one, because he could have just had a bad day. Now he has gone too far. I agree.
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The more I hear from the Kinards...
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the less concerned I am about the interactions. That last FB video they made basically sounds like his son...
1) Had to do an accountability run for any number of transgressions that he outlined himself.
2) Had a coach who told him (paraphrasing) that you have to be accountable in life and on the field and if you are not there are consequences. And if you are not accountable at work, that is a reflection on how you handle your personal life.
3) Was told he was not a 5 star, you are a walk on, so things don't come easy, you have to work hard for what you want. (Same as Dabo)
4) Was asked the next day if a fire was lit under him from the interaction they had the day before.
5) Was told this in front of at least 10 people so it is ok that they made a public post on FB to retaliate.
Now, all of this may have been screamed at him, and laced with profanities, but even if so, it seems really mild. The bottom line is if the Kindards had never made the first FB post, I would have never known about the interaction at all, and I have a feeling I'm not the only one.
Maybe I am missing something.
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Re: The more I hear from the Kinards...
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If, and I do mean IF Dabo was using what some will call cuss words, I would bet that it was no stronger than D a m n Or H e l l, whatever it was, it was mild and not abusive!!!
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Re: The more I hear from the Kinards...
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There is no IF…he uses cuss words all the time…and ALL of them…often
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OH NO!, A Football coach using profanity!, OMG! ****
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Re: The more I hear from the Kinards...
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My spidey sense tells me this is more about Terry feeling disrespected as a ROH recipient and Clemson family member for his past accomplishments than what happened to his son, whom Terry thinks should have received better treatment because of his Father's ties to Clemson. I'm sure his thinking is, "dammmm, I helped Clemson win a natty and gave them my best and this is how they treat my son? Embarassing him and his family in front of his team mates! Screw that chit!"
That's my take and I'm sticking to it. I think it s just that simple.
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Re: The more I hear from the Kinards...
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Great point FishinCrazy I did not even think of that!
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I dont know, have never heard, and hold no opinion of Terry Kinard
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if he would like to press charges
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and the court of law will respond appropriately
(I'm new generation Clemson. Tommy West was my first Tigers HC )
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Re: I dont know, have never heard, and hold no opinion of Terry Kinard
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Dude was one of the best ever to play at Clemson. I played basketball with him at Fike many times and he seemed like a decent guy. Wasn’t a hothead or anything like that. He was a very good basketball player as well and could have easily played basketball at the collegiate level. But that was 40 years ago and I have no idea what his life has been like since. Really hate to see this but again, I wasn’t there so not going to judge anyone. His video doesn’t give any indication that he plans to pursue this any further but then again, I’m surprised that he even posted the video.
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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I think we should just let this thing die on the vine and stop giving it new life…
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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Ummm, 'We' did not give it new life. 'Ole Terry decided to make a new video about it. 'Ole Terry gave it new life. It was dead until his latest video.
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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Since he really didn’t add anything new, it gets new life when people keep spreading it. His son didn’t like getting yelled out and neither did his Dad. We get it. Time to move on.
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You may be right, but with Terry Kinard track record
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of his felonious behaviors in the past, and this being about a football coach scolding a player for not running.....I mean, sure an attorney ###### could latch onto it, but I am pretty sure the publicity would not be worth being made into a mockery.
I am sure Coach Dabo will not be worried but will also understand the situation as being somewhat volatile and not have any further words about this "supposed" act of discipline.
Remember, this is nothing but speculation at this point, nothing more. I have not heard a single witness back up this silly story, just Terry Kinard trying to stay relevant when he is not. He has tarnished any legacy he had at Clemson in my eyes, and I am sure the University is none too pleased to have such a person of poor character being as petulant as a little child towards his college of choice.
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Re: You may be right, but with Terry Kinard track record
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Or maybe TK had a few too many concussions over the years. As Jimmy Buffett might say(sing), " Breathe In, Breath Out, Move On".
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Do Terry need a payday?***
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Terry Kinard will be pampered.....
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..by the tribal community. The rest of the public is either clowning him (and his son, unfortunately) or ignoring it, altogether.
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I heard that Johnny Cochran was going to make Dabo
Dec 27, 2023, 4:16 PM
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try on the “football matters” t-shirt in court.
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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Yep surprising in a way but did not know the guy personally so maybe this should not be surprising. This is the kind of leadership that some of these kids are getting these days. If what I believe to be is indeed true I cannot even imagine my next conversation with my dad if I left out crying about a coach calling me out.
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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I can hear my Dad now, “welcome to the real world son.”
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In the video he said there would be no more comment from them on this. I’m not sure why he felt the need to post the video or even the initial post but I hope he sticks to what he said and moves on.
As I said last week, since I wasn’t there I cannot comment on what if anything happened. I was at Clemson when TK was there and played basketball with him many times. He seemed like a decent guy but that was 40 years ago too.
I personally don’t think anything he has done so far rises to the level that he should be removed from the ROH. He earned that spot by his play on the field. I also don’t see anything here that makes me think he plans to pursue this any further but I’m surprised he has gone this far so who knows.
I also think Dabo’s response when asked about the situation was appropriate. I hope no one feels the need to continue asking questions because he has already stated his position and there really hasn’t been any new information from the Kinard’s that need to be addressed.
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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No way are there grounds for a law suit. Clemson can try to hold players accountable and can sit any player.
Dabo would not support removing Terry Kinard from Ring of Honor. Dabo has too much class for that.
I wish it could end quietly, with an apology from the Kinard family. But I'm not thinking that is likely.
Let's move on and continue to build an awesome football program with an enviable culture.
GO TIGERS!
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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People sue because they burn their tongue when drinking hot coffee or because they only received 9 chicken nuggies instead of 10. Anyone can be sued for any reasons in today's society.
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I said that we should cancel him the first day the story hit
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Glad others are recognizing he is a cancer and we should be done with him.
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More than likely youre off base.***
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Re: More than likely youre off base.***
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Thank you for your well thought out and educated response.
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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Maybe the best and wisest thing to do is to just stop talking about this.
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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Well Valley Boy, seeing how Terry made a new video today, it has now resurfaced because of Terry, not because of Clemson fans.
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Don't feed the coot!!!
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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His own son has not come forward with any claims. At least none that I've seen.
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
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Nevermind just saw the video. Kid needs to toughen up is all I got out of that video
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
Dec 29, 2023, 5:19 PM
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After reading Terry’s post and Dabo’s response, it seems nothing more than a bit of a “pride dust-up.” Terry wants the best for his son, as most fathers do. He probably over reacted to what his son told him. The son is probably embarrassed because he has struggled to meet the standard set by his father. This is a very difficult but understandable situation. It is highly doubtful that Terry is looking for any kind of suit. He simply wants some more love and respect.
One thing for certain, Dabo handles these situations better than anybody, anywhere.
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Re: My opinion and I could be totally off base but...
Dec 29, 2023, 5:29 PM
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not big on “cancellation” either but I’m with you on this one, great post
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