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Riley
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Nov 26, 2023, 2:31 AM
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Does he suck or do we just not have the talent yet, but we will be explosive soon once we add the talent? What do you think?
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Re: Riley
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Nov 26, 2023, 2:33 AM
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We don't have the talent.
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Re: Riley
Nov 26, 2023, 2:36 AM
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Thats what I am thinking as well
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What other Tiger WR would have dropped that pass Stellato dropped?
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Nov 26, 2023, 9:56 AM
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None that I can think of. That unto itself shows the lack of WR talent on this team.
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Yes, we do.***
Nov 26, 2023, 11:17 AM
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Re: Yes, we do.***
Nov 26, 2023, 9:44 PM
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No, we don't.
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Nov 26, 2023, 2:44 AM
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Just my opinion.....the discussion of a lack of talent shouldn't even be a discussion. This is what the high priced coaches should be working every day to fix. Pull out all the stops....have open tryouts on campus if need be, fully develop what we have, do whatever is necessary so this is not an issue. Otherwise what is the real value of a co-ordinator who is paid $2M/year?
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Re: Riley
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Nov 26, 2023, 3:30 AM
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Your opinion is wrong. Dude was brought in after signing day so he couldn't recruit and the portal was pretty much closed. Also not allowed to fire the previous staff. You think Clemson's student body is crawling with NFL talent?
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Re: Riley
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Nov 26, 2023, 3:49 AM
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No, I don't. I was simply making a point that filling the talent gap should be the coaches/co-ordinators primary responsibility and sometimes they might have to get a little creative to fill those gaps. For sure, there is a lot of developmental work that needs to be done. With the right coaching, the one and two-stars can improve to three and four-stars. If you sit around and let excuses drive you - like a deadline has passed - nothing will happen. And opinions are just that - opinions. They are not wrong.
I remember in the late '70s when there was a desperate need for a kicker and they found one on the soccer team - Obed Ariri - who turned out to be very successful, And grabbing Jonathan Weitz off the beach was a creative way of filling the need for a kicker this year. And as well as I remember, Hunter Renfrow didn't show up to Clemson with a scholarship. Sometimes talent shows up in very non-traditional ways and the coaches should be exploiting every venue possible when they don't have the perfect team already.
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Re: Riley
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Nov 26, 2023, 10:00 AM
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You are living in fantasy land. The problem is simple. We don't have explosive players at receiver. You can't "develop" that. You simply have to get explosive players to have explosive plays.
Hopefully, the recruits coming in next year are just that.
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Youre wrong***
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Nov 26, 2023, 11:18 AM
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Re: Youre wrong***
Nov 26, 2023, 11:35 AM
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You don’t suddenly make a dude who runs a 4.8 into a 4.3. You can teach technique and route running, but some stuff is just god given ability.
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Re: Youre wrong***
Nov 26, 2023, 1:06 PM
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I'll expand on that. We are terrible at WR and not much better at tight end. Listened to Riley and the board tell me for the past 8 months that Bstool was going to be a difference maker and a matchup nightmare. He had a grand total of 1 catch for 3 yards against the #116 pass defense in the country. He's basically been a bust (as have all but T Brown who is average) and his blocking is what you would expect from a 232 lb TE. But back to the lack of talent. Is there anyone on the defensive side of the ball that could play both ways? Have we tried them? Nate Wiggins? K Barnes? Ken Hatfield converted a D back to QB in one week of practice and beat the Chickens in Willie B with Dexter McCleon running his flexbone. Sometimes you have to think outside the box. We have not done that as I am 100% certain that we have better options at WR than Ronan Hanafin on the defensive side of he ball. That is on the staff.
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Re: Youre wrong***
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Nov 26, 2023, 9:53 PM
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You're better off having Nate Wiggins put 100% effort in playing solid defense, than trying a gimmick of playing him on offense, where you get minimal return on your investment.
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Re: Youre wrong***
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Nov 26, 2023, 9:45 PM
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No, I'm 100% right. The current group of guys don't collectively have the physical skill set to be explosive.
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Re: Riley
Nov 26, 2023, 9:46 PM
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Absolutely untrue. Keon Coleman transferred from Michigan state and went to FSU. Could a game winning TD against us. Happened in April. He could’ve been a game-changer for us but didn’t happen because of our anti-portal philosophy
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Re: Riley
Nov 26, 2023, 9:55 PM
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Keon Coleman was never coming here. He isn't coming here where the quarterback is a first year starter, and there are no other weapons around him. Florida St. had a 5th year quarterback, and a bunch of other weapons to occupy rhe defense.
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Same tired narrative is...
Nov 26, 2023, 10:12 PM
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applied when we are beaten in recruiting battles by a team a lesser(like USuC) or equal(most recently FSU) to us–an embellished alibi to rationalize the loss and avoid the truth we were outworked on the recruiting, fell asleep on the job is a more accurate portrayal–
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Re: Same tired narrative is...
Nov 26, 2023, 10:17 PM
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It's not a tired narrative. It's reality. You are just sticking your head in the sand.
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Re: Riley
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Nov 26, 2023, 3:43 AM
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What kind of an idiot would give a thumbs down to a sprts conversation? It is a sports debate.
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No talent or explosive playmakers.
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Nov 26, 2023, 6:58 AM
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Not sure when or if that changes next year.
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Re: No talent or explosive playmakers.
Nov 26, 2023, 7:03 AM
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I agree. We will have some serious talent next year. You even just add Turner and Williams in with the new recruits and we seem stacked.
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no, we're not stacked with turner and williams healthy.***
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Nov 26, 2023, 9:08 AM
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Re: no, we're not stacked with turner and williams healthy.***
Nov 26, 2023, 9:52 AM
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We are stacked with our 2 stud recruita coming in with those 2 as well. Not to mention the rest of the crew. Very stacked and a strength next year.
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Re: no, we're not stacked with turner and williams healthy.***
Nov 26, 2023, 9:19 PM
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Not really-
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Re: no, we're not stacked with turner and williams healthy.***
Nov 27, 2023, 12:36 PM
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Yeah really. Stacked.
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Re: No talent or explosive playmakers.
Nov 26, 2023, 1:11 PM
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I agree. We will have some serious talent next year. You even just add Turner and Williams in with the new recruits and we seem stacked.
Your certainly in the majority. They are average roll players or back ups at best on most power 5 teams. They lack foot speed and many other things as well and certainly could never qualify as difference makers. Neither will play at the next level and next level WR's are what we desperately lack.
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Bingo most of which can best...
Nov 26, 2023, 9:23 PM
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be described as #3 or #4 possession reciever types—
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Re: Riley
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Nov 26, 2023, 7:33 AM
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The offense had talent and execution problems for sure. Injuries were also problematic with the Oline and the WR positions. However, Coaching was suspect at times.
The stupid screen passes not only didn’t get yards, they continually lost 5 yards and put us behind the chains. Why keep running them. The let’s get fancy when steadily getting 3 to 4 yards on downhill runs at the end of games is also frustrating.
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Re: Riley
Nov 26, 2023, 9:34 PM
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I had to look at author of this post because I thought I wrote it. Couldn’t agree more, especially with the screen pass that hasn’t worked in 3 years. Our WR either can’t or won’t block, without that block, the play gets blown up every time.
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Re: Riley
Nov 26, 2023, 7:36 AM
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Very successful big play offenses @ both SMU & TCU–
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Re: Riley
Nov 26, 2023, 9:55 AM
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At TCU i thought his offense was solid, but very simple. One solid wr and a QB that was a one man wrecking crew. Nothing that special as far as scheme. Its kind of like when we had Woody Dantzler. Any fast D shuts it down.
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Re: Riley
Nov 26, 2023, 1:03 PM
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The only problem with the solid TCU offense is… when they stood up to a strong power five team in the Natty… They got chewed up and spit out… so I think we got what we were looking for
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You must have missed...
Nov 27, 2023, 3:09 AM
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the semifinal victory vs UM and their entire regular season, not to mention their BCR: a staggering 9%—
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Re: Riley
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Nov 26, 2023, 9:13 AM
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He deserves another year. This time 2024 we will know if he’s a bust or not
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Re: Riley
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Nov 26, 2023, 11:15 AM
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Absolutely…why wouldn’t we give an OC that moved the offense down 4 spots another year…I mean we fired the guy that moved it up 53 spots in one year…but let’s keep him…makes total sense!
Oh wait, I forgot he needs to be able to bring in his old coaches… Just like Streeter did… Not!
Or no wait… It’s because he needs to bring in more talented players… Even though he had the same players we had last year and he did worse.
Or wait… Maybe we just need to wait for the quarterback that he signed in the 2024 class… Oh wait, I forgot he didn’t sign one at all.
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We had more yards per game this year
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Nov 26, 2023, 11:35 AM
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And Cade has a lot of growing to do.
We’re nowhere near running Riley’s offense. Not yet.
That’s it in a nutshell.
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You're a regular Einstein ehh? Profound...
Nov 26, 2023, 9:59 PM
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intellect like yours is rare; we're lucky to have you!
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Re: Riley
Nov 26, 2023, 10:16 PM
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Firing a coach after 1 season is idiotic. Thankfully you do not run a football program.
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Geez people, NO, Riley doesnt suck at all.
Nov 26, 2023, 11:17 AM
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We have a typical developmental QB. End of story.
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Re: Riley can flourish
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Nov 26, 2023, 11:25 AM
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With his OL coach, his WR coach, his QB coach, his TE coach, his RB coach, his offensive analysts, his WR recruits, his TE recruits and his OL recruits. Swinney can give Riley carte blanche responsibility & authority for the Offense or Clemson and Riley should move on ... meaning Riley can keep current staff or let them go.
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What you've described is accurate. ..
Nov 26, 2023, 9:54 PM
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and sadly so, as it's not the ideal environment for a speedy but sound installation of Riley's offense. It doesn't appear ANY forethought was given to adapting the environment to aid/ease or be advantageous to the success of the new offense—
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Re: Riley can flourish
Nov 26, 2023, 10:00 PM
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Riley doesn't have an OL coach,WR coach, or any other coach. Coordinators don't have "their own staff." There is literally not one school in the country where the coordinator is the one bringing in the staff.
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Its not Riley and its not lack of talent
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Nov 26, 2023, 11:32 AM
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It’s Dabo still being too involved in play calling, and it’s coaching (mostly OL). Dabo needs to let Riley coach and hire his own staff.
It’s the coaching:
Our OL has higher rated players than almost everyone we play, and they get dominated. The run into each other like the keystone cops, and miss assignments in game 12!!!
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Terrible at blocking (which is the only way screens work). They get open, but Cade doesn’t see it ‘cause he doesn’t trust the OL. Drops, drops, drops.
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Terrible. We are never ready at the start of the season. NEVER! It’s like they have the same plan for everyone (power lifting). Every person needs an individualized program. We constantly get slower, fatter and that tells me that people are on the wrong program. When XT and DJU (the starting QB) got fat and slow until their $$ year; that tells me that there is no accountability in staying fit.
Ever wonder why we get these stud freshmen that fizzle out (and everyone calls them a bust), until the next stud freshman comes in and does the same?? Because their high school coaches were better than our staff. They come in playing awesome, and we just drag them down into the Clemson mire.
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Re: Riley
Nov 26, 2023, 1:09 PM
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Some of the play calling has been very questionable imo. We need Williams and Collins healthy tho.
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Both, you blind?***
Nov 26, 2023, 9:42 PM
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Re: Both, you blind?***
Nov 27, 2023, 12:37 PM
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We are talking next year Einstein.
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I don't think he forgot how to coach***
Nov 26, 2023, 9:56 PM
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Re: Riley
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Nov 27, 2023, 12:42 PM
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No talent. Receivers are the worst we have had in decades. Except for brown. Offensive line is pure mashed potatoes. Those are the two main problem positions. I think cades problems will resolve themselves with a new o line and new receiving core.
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