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All-In [42298]
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They should make voting mandatory BUT
Mar 19, 2015, 9:42 AM
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you have to get a voter ID card. Would that get everyone on board?
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CU Medallion [73569]
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wait, its racist to get a voting id Unless its mandatory?***
Mar 19, 2015, 9:44 AM
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CU Medallion [56190]
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No, it's still racist, but
Mar 19, 2015, 9:48 AM
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that's the only way to get Republicans on board.
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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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this one always gets me.
Mar 19, 2015, 9:54 AM
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Basically anything anyone does on a normal basis requires identification (Driving, flying on an airplane, getting money in/out of the bank, using a credit card, getting a cell phone, renting an apt, buying a car or a house, setting up a checking account) but somehow requiring an ID to vote is racist.
Is requiring an ID for all those other things racist, too?
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CU Medallion [73569]
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you just dont get it. yes its only racist for voting***
Mar 19, 2015, 10:03 AM
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CU Medallion [56190]
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Voter ID isn't racist.
Mar 19, 2015, 10:04 AM
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It would negatively affect racial minorities the most and that's the point, but the motivation isn't racism. The motivation is to prevent Democratic voters from voting. The problem for Republicans is that it looks so much like racism that Democrats can play easily that card.
I only brought it up because I figured it would be a way where everyone gets something: Obama gets his super oppressive mandatory democracy wish and Republicans can have their voter ID cards. Plus you'd have the opposing forces of voter ID disenfranchising voters while a voting requirement encourages voting.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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I seriously cant believe there are people that "really"
Mar 19, 2015, 10:08 AM
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believe this but I guess there are nuts everywhere.
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Re: I seriously cant believe there are people that "really"
Mar 19, 2015, 10:14 AM
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A few years ago, Illinois passed a law that you have to have ID in order to purchase drain cleaner such as Drano.
I thought these same people advocating for this law will turn around and claim racism when it comes to ID in order to vote.
(And I have no problem with showing ID to purchase Drano but think it's hypocritical to advocate for that law but then be on the other side of the voter ID law)
If a person is too poor to get ID in order to vote, I'd think he is also too poor to get ID in order to buy a bottle of Drano. Lol 
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CU Medallion [56190]
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I can't believe you can't believe it.
Mar 19, 2015, 10:14 AM
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Voter fraud is close to non-existent. This is a can of worms, though, because you'll probably fire off some anecdotal example of someone who voted in two places or something, which isn't actually voter fraud, or some similar example which doesn't bolster your argument. We'll go back and forth a whole lot and you'll repeatedly be proven wrong. Then this will come up again like a month from now and you'll just say the same crap all over again like it's never been discussed before. It's like it's Groundhog Day and you're Ned Ryerson.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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voter fraud is very much real
Mar 19, 2015, 10:17 AM
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just bc there aren't convictions doesn't mean its not prevelant. How many dead people vote in this country? 9 million SSN numbers are currently being used who are over 112 yrs old. But I'm sure those people dont vote.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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shoot, how many times have there been more votes than live
Mar 19, 2015, 10:19 AM
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in a county? that alone proves serious voter fraud since tournout is around 50%.
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CU Medallion [56190]
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That doesn't prove voter fraud.
Mar 19, 2015, 10:31 AM
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When more voters are registered than there are eligible voters it is not voter fraud and voter ID does not solve this problem. States will keep voters on the books because they're required to under Section 8 of the National Voter Registration Act, better known as the Motor Voter Law enacted in 1993. So even if they've moved away or died, they're still registered.
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All-In [42298]
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Re: Voter ID isn't racist.
Mar 19, 2015, 10:09 AM
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I don't think the motivation is to keep dems from voting.
I think the motivation is to keep ILLEGALS from voting and to keep those that choose to vote more than once, honest.
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Bingo!***
Mar 19, 2015, 10:10 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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Does doing all those other things I mentioned affect
Mar 19, 2015, 10:10 AM
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racial minorities the most? Seems to me most of that stuff is something everyone does at one point or another, isn't it?
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CU Medallion [56190]
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They often don't need an ID to fly on a plane.
Mar 19, 2015, 10:23 AM
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Because they don't often fly on planes. Poor racial minorities spend very little time jet setting. They also probably don't get, say, hunting licenses. If they live in a city they likely don't need driver's licenses.
This is a solution in search of a problem. Illegal immigrants want to vote? Is that what we're supposed to believe? Is there a shred of evidence anywhere that this is an actual problem? And I still can't square how the government identifying and tagging every single citizen is somehow the brainchild of the small government wing in American politics.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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dude you are so far gone with political bias
Mar 19, 2015, 10:26 AM
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its not even worth a discussion.
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Re: dude you are so far gone with political bias
Mar 19, 2015, 10:38 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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How about cash checks?
Mar 19, 2015, 10:30 AM
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Do poor racial minorities cash checks? Or get cell phones? Or get apartments? Or electricity and water?
With the rise of activist groups intent on making illegal aliens legal, I'm not sure how you would or wouldn't know if voting fraud was going on.
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CU Medallion [56190]
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You don't need ID to get utilities.
Mar 19, 2015, 10:35 AM
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I just made a phone call and got mine.
Look, you seem to have a lot of questions. If you're really interested, google it.
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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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I did. I needed an ID to setup both sewer and electricity
Mar 19, 2015, 10:41 AM
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and a deposit on both.
I'm just trying to understand the hesitance to require an ID. Doesn't make sense to me for something so small. Its just one of those things in life you have to do.
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Because it solves a problem that doesn't exist.
Mar 19, 2015, 11:04 AM
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You already have to provide ID in order to register to vote:
The federal Help America Vote Act (section 15483(b)(2)(A)) mandates that all states require identification from first-time voters who register to vote by mail and have not provided verification of their identification at the time of registration. The act lists a "current and valid photo identification" or "a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter” as acceptable forms of ID.
What little voter fraud there is happens when a voter registers, not on election day. So if we were to tighten up anywhere, it would be there, but I'm not sure how much further we can go than we already do especially considering what a non-problem it is in the first place.
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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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So that's really your motivation?
Mar 19, 2015, 11:13 AM
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Solving a problem that doesn't exist?
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CU Medallion [56190]
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Check please!***
Mar 19, 2015, 11:31 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81247]
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Well..whatever.
Mar 19, 2015, 12:08 PM
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You seem so concerned that it will "solve a problem that doesn't exist" (and if governmnet can solve anything it would be a miracle), when really, noone can prove if in fact it does or doesn't exist. How do we know if there is voter fraud? How might one prove or disprove that?
Obviously, there must be other reasons the more liberal among us fight the voter ID law.
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Re: Well..whatever.
Mar 19, 2015, 1:13 PM
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But those same liberals have no problem voting for ID laws in order to buy Drano.
I guess if poor people have a stopped up toilet, there just sh it out of luck 
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Re: Wasn't it brought to our attention last week that....
Mar 19, 2015, 10:37 AM
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There are many more whites on welfare than minorities ?
So why is it only poor racial minorities that are impacted by this ID thingy ?
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moor freedom gone
Mar 19, 2015, 9:43 AM
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but I'm sure the libs will run to defend this.
The only reason he's tryin this is b/c blacks typically dont vote.
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Re: moor freedom gone
Mar 19, 2015, 10:06 AM
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I think it's because it helps his party.
Force young people to vote would help dems.
(I point out young people because there are more of them then there are old people, old people that usually are more conservative)
Just one of the things I hate about the political process, both parties always trying to figure ways to be more in control and in some cases trying to be the only one in control of all)
I think we need both parties, actually more than two parties.
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Want more people to turn out? Take the South Park approach
Mar 19, 2015, 9:53 AM
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Cartman: Say there will be punch and pie.
Kyle: But we won't have any punch and pie.
Cartman: JUST SAY THERE WILL BE PUNCH AND PIE, MORE PEOPLE WILL SHOW UP!
Kyle (typing): ...punch and pie...
Maybe Chick Fil A breakfast biscuits instead?
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You don't want disengaged voters voting...
Mar 19, 2015, 1:07 PM
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...unless of course you want one of the "stars" of Real Housewives of Atlanta as your next Commander-in-Chief.
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Re: You don't want disengaged voters voting...
Mar 19, 2015, 1:17 PM
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Could be worse I guess. Kanye West could become President LOL
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Re: You don't want disengaged voters voting...
Mar 19, 2015, 2:09 PM
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Thats what I'm thinking. Pretty soon we will be turning over power to celebrities if everyone is forced to vote. I just wish we had way more turnover in Washington. Being a politician wasn't meant to be a career. I'm tired of seeing the same people year after year giving us the same ole bullcrap time after time.
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