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does the money matter?

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:55 AM
 

Dabo Swinney is 3-10 vs. FSwho and SCU since taking over.

We are 1-6 since hiring the highest paid OC in college football.


discuss

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


I think you are missing the point here, york.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 10:57 AM
 

We routinely embarrass teams like Wake Forest, Syracuse, and NC State.

You act like we lose the 2 most important games of the season on a regular basis.

Geez.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:01 AM
 



null


who said that?***


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:01 AM
 



"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Who said what?***


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:03 AM
 



null


Re: Who said what?***


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:04 AM
 

that every team we beat sucked?

just wondering if you were talking about the op.... no worries

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:05 AM
 



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Re: I think you are missing the point here, york.


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:01 PM
 

is 5 years in a row not regular enough for you?


No better than beating them then losing to Duke and Wake.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:00 AM
 

What's the answer? Do we have worse coaching with better recruiting than the Bowden era?


We actually have better coaching and better recruiting....

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:01 AM
 

but so does FSU and $CU which in no way excuses Dabo's record against them.

In fact, we seem to find ways to lose to them even when we are clearly the better team (i.e., $CU last year (among others) and FSU this year).




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Re: No better than beating them then losing to Duke and Wake.


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 7:37 PM
 

I seriously think that we held on to Bowden too long . Both of those programs were down and in rebuild mode . It took Spur 6 yrs. to turn it around at that lower state school. Don't panic just yet .

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:03 AM
 

signed bob

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Good thing LSU doesn't fire Les Miles

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:04 AM
 

2-5 in the last 7 games against Alabama.

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oh ... i didn't say fire anybody at all

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:06 AM
 

just wondering what the expectations should be...

not sure your comparison is quite the same, tho

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Why isn't it the same?


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:07 AM
 

LSU is losing to top level teams.

Clemson is losing to top level teams.

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LSU has also played for the natty 3 times in the past

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:20 AM
 

11 years

i get what you're saying... but we're fooling ourselves if we don't think our seasons are defined by beating FSwho and UCS...

that's not taking anything away from other wins, or saying those games don't matter.... That's saying Dabo conquered those demons, and it's no longer an issue


at some point, you take the next step


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Re: Good thing LSU doesn't fire Les Miles

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:06 AM
 

I didn't think Miles was very popular? Don't most LSU fans feel like he's holding them back?


Most LSU fans haven't sobered-up yet from the 07 season...

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:12 AM
 

and are in no position to be making decision or operating heavy machinery.

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The hires have improved the Clemson program since 2011. So,

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:04 AM
 

yes the money matters. Dabo has done a lot with the money. He has even used his money to add to his staff's salaries because he believe's in this program. FSU and USuC will fall to us soon and it will pay off even more in the years to come.


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Re: does the money matter?

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:05 AM
 

Dabo makes less than Jimbo and Spurrier. Maybe we have to pay him more before he is willing to beat them.

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agree.. talking about the staff as a whole

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:07 AM
 

cents there's been a lot of posts about salaries, etc.. lately

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Re: agree.. talking about the staff as a whole


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:30 AM
 

I would say look for improvement year to year not instantaneous results when it comes to the money. The South Carolina game is TBD and we took FSU to overtime on the road, so it's possible that this year ends much better than 0-2 with a complete embarrassment in Death Valley.

I would also ask that before jumping to our staff or specifically Morris is overpaid, people offer a sincere suggestion for how the money could be better spent. My personal thoughts are that we need to spend a little money on a dedicated special teams coach, and when Chad Morris does decide to leave we promote Jeff Scott but don't pay him the same money.

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i'm not suggesting jumping on, or firing anyone


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:36 AM
 

i'm just asking if we should expect better than the numbers provided given what we pay or staff


no more, no less

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Re: i'm not suggesting jumping on, or firing anyone


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:42 AM
 

I think the coaches expect better and are pushing the program to better. With a long term sustainable plan. I think they have earned our support.


"earned support" - yes

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:55 AM
 

"long term sustainable plan" - please explain.. does that include being ahead of both FSwho and SCU and them passing us? Playing possum with them?

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Re: i'm not suggesting jumping on, or firing anyone


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:42 AM
 

I wasn't aiming that second point towards you and to elaborate on my first point; wait and see. We've closed the gap significantly on FSU and some of the other national brands. If two years down the road we don't have another conference championship, I think we start questioning the direction of the program.


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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:45 AM
 

1-8 over the last 9 with FSwho and USC is closing the gap?

you could argue that about 5 years ago, we were ahead of both programs. So are you saying they passed us, now we are trying to catch back up?

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


The distance between is now smaller?


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:00 PM
 

Keep in mind that as proud of our recruiting as we are, our string of top-15 classes; FSU, Alabama, Florida, and Ohio State have finished in the top 10 (I think top 7 technically) each of the last four years. In that time, we've beaten FSU and Ohio State, Florida imploded and we finished above Alabama in 2013.


Yes, we have seen returns on the investment in our coaching staff at or above what was expected.

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doesn't answer the question


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:05 PM
 

why are we in a position where we have to "close the gap" on two schools that, 5 years ago, we owned?

I'm not bashing or calling for heads... i just don't understand the "we're making progress" argument.

We were ahead of them, under Dabo... they made coaching changes, and we are behind them now.

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


FSU had some down years


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:12 PM
 

because they held on to Bowden too long. FSU still tremendous advantages from their national brand.

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so those 5 outta 7 we won, including our ACCC was

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:14 PM
 

due to them holding on to Bowden too long?

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


More than a little bit


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:18 PM
 

Yes

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Wait, didn't we beat FSU like 5 out of 7 years at one point?

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:50 AM
 

Why all of a sudden are we having to close the gap on them?

And don't get me started on the Gamecocks. They blew past us like we were sitting still.

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that's my point... this isn't the early Bowden years

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:52 AM
 

we were ahead of both programs, and suddenly we're down 3-10

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Since FSU joined the ACC


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:04 PM
 

they won 14 ACC championships (and three NCs) to Clemson's 1 (2011). So yeah, I think they might have been ahead of us

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Yes, they were. But we passed them. And somehow let them


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:13 PM
 

leapfrog us again.

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Because FSU is a national brand.


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:21 PM
 

Jimbo immediately had a number one recruiting class. You can't fault Dabo, Morris or Clemson because Florida State became Florida State again.

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i don't disagree with that

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:23 PM
 

but who's at fault for 3-10 against FSU and SCU since '08?

the talent at Clemson is more than enough to compete with FSU, and you know that.

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Re: i don't disagree with that


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:50 PM
 

I think somebody else in this thread points this out, but you can't evaluate our coaches compensation solely on these two games. Yes, they are important games (especially FSU) but the broader picture matters as well.

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i've admitted that.... i think Dabo has done a great job of


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:53 PM
 

reversing that "lose a game we shouldn't" trend, as evidenced by the streak...

but 3-10 in what is the most important 2 regular season games, each year... ain't gettin it done...

and you and me both know those are the two biggies.

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Re: i've admitted that.... i think Dabo has done a great job of


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:07 PM
 

It's definitely a fair argument to make. At some point, the coaching staff needs to get over that hurdle and win an ACC championship. For $4.3 million, that's definitely expected of them. I think the issue now is the when. My personal take is that overall the team and program are still on the rise and our money is well spent. In the next year or two, if Clemson is favored in those games and still loses, my opinion will change.

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Re: i've admitted that.... i think Dabo has done a great job of


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:10 PM
 

good post


To be honest with you--it's not the money (although the


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:09 AM
 

money is a part of it) BUT it is the change in attitude to the football program since the BOT decided Barker's philosophy on just being competitive was not what Clemson football was all about. Glad we have strong leaders on our BOT who are making sure our football program gets what it needs on many levels.

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i don't disagree with any of that

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:12 AM
 

just wondering when we see the results

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Results? Have we not seen then since 2011?

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:15 AM
 

1) First ACC Conference Crown in 20+ years
2) First major and only BCS bowl in 20+ years
3 First back to back to back 10 win+ seasons with an opportunity to add to this this year
4) Recruiting at the highest level with a currently number 2 ranked class
5) Victories over LSU, Auburn, Georgia, and Ohio State
6) Numerous hot NFL players bringing glory to Clemson
7) A clean program with the highest expectations.

The money and effort has paid off.


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i get what you're saying.... but we're all fooling ourselves

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:17 AM
 

if we don't think reaching the "next level" depends on beating FSU, (and SCU)...

losing games we aren't supposed to isn't an issue anymore... Dabo conquered that

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


We are better than FSU at the moment. We should have beat


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:21 AM
 

them. We have them in the Valley next year and without JW we win flat out. We will beat USuC this year in the Valley. Will that be the next level?

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you are basing your entire position on

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:22 AM
 

1. saying we're better than a team we just lost too

2. saying we will beat a team in Nov. that has won the last 5



dafuq?

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Just my opinion based on the eye test at FSU and the eye


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:24 AM
 

test right now on watching Clemson and USuC. I thought for several years we were not going to match up with USuC 2010-2012. Last year we matched up but turnovers killed us. I think this year we catch them.

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No


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:13 AM
 

Nobody's happy losing to FSU or USuCk but they have been top ten for several years now. Who else would beat us?

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so will settle for 30% b/c they're good too?

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:15 AM
 

not a bash...

just askin

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Re: so will settle for 30% b/c they're good too?

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:17 AM
 

I'll take 1 out of 4 at this point. Let's start somewhere.


It absolutely does. If our coaching staff's combined


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:15 AM
 

salaries are in the Top 5 or 10 in the country, I would expect similar results on the field. And will beating a bunch of unranked teams somehow get us back in the top 10? If so, I guess we should be happy?

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It does to wives.


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:18 AM
 

Since most have them, I am going to answer

YES

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Re: does the money matter?

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:31 AM
 

York since you like serious questions let me ask you one? Would you rather be an FSU fan right now( with their NC, recruiting, undefeated record, beating us several times, Jameis Winston, Jimbo Fisher and all that their program represents) or have Dabo, Morris, Veneables and our national image? Our results on and off the field. Which would you prefer?


why are you changing the subject and what does that have to

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:34 AM
 

do with anything?

I love what Dabo has built our program into and what we stand for... absolutely.

But there's a lot of Dabo's out there, and a lot of program that are run as clean as Clemson. I don't subscribe to the notion that we have to choose one or the other.

My post doesn't condone what goes on at FSwho in anyway... so don't act like it does.

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


hold on


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:37 AM
 

It is a fair point to recognize that in addition to wins and losses our program is excelling in the classroom and life. You could argue that maybe we could have spent less money or picked up a few extra wins if we had been willing to cut corners.

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i don't think you can argue that...what are we talking about


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:40 AM
 

here?

It's not secret Dabo and co have done a tremendous job keeping our program clean... but I don't think the reason is b/c we pay our staff so much.

It's like the streak of wins against unranked teams.... Dabo has conquered that demon, but it's time to beat the teams that make or break our season.

I don't buy into the notion that we'll settle for 2nd in the ACC b/c we run a clean ship.

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Re: does the money matter?


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 11:34 AM
 

Our program is a lot better than it has been for about 25 years. Are we where i want them to be? heck no. We will start beating SC again. Should we have beaten them in the last six years? Yes, some of the past few years we should be about 3 and 3. Same with FSU. We just haven't put it all together and won the games. We will soon. I feel like we are capable of beating anybody we play and it has been a long time since we have been in the position we are now. With the lineman we have coming in this year, we will be better in the future. FSU has top recruits every year and we are now doing the same thing. We are getting there!

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:07 PM
 

I fully expect to beat the chickens this year. I also believe the best run in their pathetic program is nearing it's end and Spurrier will be leaving that dump sooner than later. When that happens, I expect that we'll instantly out recruit for the best talent in-state, which is the only area in recruiting where we've been lacking. I see this rivalry flipping regardless. As for the Semiholes, I see them on major probation in the near future. It might not have anything to do with Winston. Jimbo has proven that he'll do ANYTHING to win, so I'm sure that carries over to recruiting as well. Meanwhile during this vision I have, we'll have the best quarterback in the nation.


Re: does the money matter?


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:11 PM
 

if you want to gripe, facts don't matter. this link says we are getting a bargain with swinney. Maybe OP can endow a coaching position to put our head coach in the top 15. you get what you pay for, except internet gurus are complaining about Clemson getting more than it pays for with Swinney.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/6/30/5857786/2013-college-football-coaches-salaries-wins


link where i complained about Swinney?

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:13 PM
 

link where I've ever bashed anyjuan on our staff?

All i did was post the records and asked for discussion. We have a top 5 paid staff, which is what I was referring to.

Why do guys like you reply to topics and just make shyatt up?

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Re: link where i complained about Swinney?

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:30 PM
 

what are you willing to do? It's a simple question. I give a certain amount. I participate when asked to. I am happy. You are unhappy. What are you willing to do? It seems that there are two courses of action

(1) do more
(2) cut ties and move on

your option (3) litter a message board with utter bullsh--, ramblings and rants from an acerbic yet thin skinned self appointed prophet of Clemson, doesn't accomplish anything.


i think you're confused on the meaning of


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:35 PM
 

"participate in debate"

it doesn't mean attack in your first post... when no on attacked you or anyjuan else

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Re: i think you're confused on the meaning of


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:40 PM
 

I am not confused and this is not a debate. critics don't count. people with a walter mitty sense of ownership of a message board can't handle what they dish out.


you wanna post that link.. from anywhere in my post history

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:42 PM
 

that i've ever attacked a coach or player?

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Re: you wanna post that link.. from anywhere in my post history

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:14 PM
 

Waiting...


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"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:57 PM
 

i am waiting on one of you two who may be the same person to answer the three options question. What do you do

1) do more - give more money, be more involved
2) cut ties

3) constantly complain on a message board that you have hijacked for a feeling of importance when you obviously don't matter

What yields results?


Nice link but even still...

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:16 PM
 

David Cutcliffe $179,226 per win

Dabo Swinney $231,820 per win

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Re: Nice link but even still...


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:06 PM
 

What a dumb post. How much do think the Gameday coverage was worth last year? Name the last time Cutcliffe had that type of coverage or Orange Bowl coverage. If you run a business you know that revenue streams are vital. Dabo has a far greater ROI than Cutcliffe could ever dream about. Stop proving that you don't know much and only want to whine and type cute little words.


you're right....

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:08 PM
 

despite all those advantages, Cutliff is only one division championship behind Dabo

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Re: Nice link but even still...

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:09 PM
 

Yeah bob, didn't you know that revenue streams are vital to running a business? As Clemson's football coach, Dabo is basically the owner of a business. Try to keep up.


Re: Nice link but even still...


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:15 PM
 

That's been Bob's argument. I've asked and there is a slow learners board available if you'd like the address?


Re: Nice link but even still...

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:24 PM
 

Don't hurt yourself. I first want to see the link to bob making some kind of arbitrary argument about revenue streams. All I saw was a basic raw figure relating salary to win totals. Send that link over TIA


I don't think he knows the difference between "revenue


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:27 PM
 

streams" and ROI...

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Re: I don't think he knows the difference between "revenue

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:28 PM
 

That's not surprising considering he makes it a point to talk about "business" every chance he gets..bound to slip up eventually. I remember my first undergrad management class.


Re: Nice link but even still...


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:31 PM
 

I think it's sweet that you feel the need to defend Bob. You could start by asking him if he was discussing the importance of ROI.

It's also cute that you put tia. To have your little inside codes is very impressive.


Link

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:34 PM
 

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=16055448

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Re: Nice link but even still...

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:40 PM
 

Yes, the ever-clandestine "Thanks In Advance" is only used among me and Bob. I'm sorry to make you feel out of the loop.

Do you have any more fun buzzwords like "revenue streams" to prove that you totally know what you're talking about?


If you run a business you know that even more vital than

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:11 PM
 

revenue streams is net cash flow.

Not saying that has anything to do with the OP... just pointing that out.

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Re: If you run a business you know that even more vital than


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:12 PM
 

It seems like you're implying that it costs more to run Clemsons FB program than it does to run Duke's FB program.

Where are you getting your bogus information?


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Re: If you run a business you know that even more vital than


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:19 PM
 

I should have realized your short term cash flow approach. A big successful elite business looks at a lot more than cutting costs. Cutcliffe has Wallace Wade PACKED every game right?


Without positive net cash flow there won't


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:21 PM
 

be a long-term.

And no, Wallace Wade is not packed. Will take time to change the culture there.

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what numbers are you using to suggest Dabo's long term

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:23 PM
 

plan is working? Again, not calling for anybody's head.

is it the 0-5 vs. SCU?

is it the 1-4 vs. FSU

is it the 3-10 against them combined?

is it the streak against unranked opponents?

just curious

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York, name all the coaches/coaching staffs that IYO

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:29 PM
 

have done a better job than CDS and co over the same period of time.

I'm assuming you will list staffs from:
SCU
FSU
Bama

Who else?

Not sure who you are comparing Clemson/CDS to. Gosh until we go 19-0 every year I guess there will be room for improvement. And no, they are not perfect.

What other schools are we chasing over the same period of time?


I didn't say they were doing a terrible job


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:44 PM
 

I said they've done terrible against our 2 biggest rivals.

Name the coaches that are 3-10 against their instate rival and biggest conference rival

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


My point, going back to your OP

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:58 PM
 

is that yes I think the money is well-spent at this point relative to all other programs in CFB.

Perfect? Of course not. Dayum good? Yep.


Why only point out records against FSU and SCU


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:35 PM
 

and not include our record against LSU, UGA, Auburn, Ohio St, and VT during the same time period?


seriously?

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Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:40 PM
 

FSU makes or breaks the ACC for us, you know that

SCU is, well, SCU

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


No I'm not questioning the inclusion of those teams


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:43 PM
 

I'm questioning your omission of the others.

Again if you are looking at the entire body of work for CDS you cannot omit the others.


Bass sick lee, wins against FSU and SCAR mean


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:46 PM
 

championships. FSU = ACC championship and SCAR = state championship.

Which are two of Dabo's goals.

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How about win a bowl game and


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:47 PM
 

win the opener. Also two of Dabo's goals.

LSU, Auburn, Ohio St


not a knock on Dabo... he concquered that demon


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:49 PM
 

he's winning the games he's supposed to


at some point you gotta do better than 3-10 though

"I've been working since I was 15 continually until now. I worked 40 hours a week at 15, when it wasn't even legal for 15 year olds to work that many hours."


Well I agree. BUT, riddle me this


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 12:59 PM
 

what coaching staffs have done a BETTER overall job than CDS and co over the same time period? And remember when comparing that the current group at CU has ONLY been together for the period of time, not an incumbent group like at Bama that may have been around awhile prior.

Bama, FSU, SCU. Who else?

This will probably answer your question on whether or not the money matters. If we have a top 5 pay group that is being outperformed by 15 schools consistently...maybe we have a problem.

If we agree that we have a group in the top 10 with top 5 pay, I think that's ok.


FSU may have been one of the best teams to play collegiate


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:28 PM
 

football last year and USuCk has experienced a tremendous amount of success over the past few season with talent and various positions. Morris wasn't here for all of those losses and he doesn't have all the pieces for his offense to click right now. The offensive line issues aren't his fault.

Yes there may have been a USuCk team like last year or the year before last when we may have had a chance to win...but that's football. I highly doubt any of this talk of Morris' salary will continue in the seasons to come. We're building something special...


Re: does the money matter?


Posted: Oct 22, 2014 9:46 PM
 

We are not getting our money's worth.


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