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FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:42 AM
 

 
Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach

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That's laughable. Dabo is #3 AT WORST.***

[6]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:46 AM
 



Cole @ Beach Cole w/ Clemson Hat


Really??

[4]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:26 AM
 

I actually thought that was a little high myself

Whatever you do, always give 100%.....unless it's donating blood


Exactly ... especially since Hyatt switched yesterday.

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:09 AM
 

:)

"When I was young, I was sure of many things; now there are only two things of which I am sure: one is, that I am a miserable sinner; and the other, that Christ is an all-sufficient Saviour. He is well-taught who learns these two lessons." -John Newton


That was my train of thought

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:51 AM
 

you don't deserve to be listed as a top tier coach in your conference if you keep loosing these highly touted recruits to Allbarn and Ole mi$$

Whatever you do, always give 100%.....unless it's donating blood


Hyatt switched?***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:43 PM
 

.

"It is not part of a true culture to tame tigers, any more than it is to make sheep ferocious."
--Henry David Thoreau


Re: That's laughable. Dabo is #3 AT WORST.***

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:48 AM
 

Who at #3 has done more than Dabo in the last 3 years in the acc???


Well, I said Dabo was #3 at worst, so nobody at #3 would've


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:20 AM
 

done more than Dabo.

Cole @ Beach Cole w/ Clemson Hat


Swinney #1 in the ACC


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:48 PM
 

and possibly, top #20 nationally ;)


#21


I think that's about right where he belongs or too high

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:28 AM
 

especially when you consider dabo coaches NOTHING! He's a talking head, the face of the program. He gives exciting interviews while Chad/Brent do the coaching.


Can't fix stupid. Dabo rocks!!***

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:47 PM
 




Re: I think that's about right where he belongs or too high

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:53 PM
 

You obviously have never managed anything.


You idiot, the hc manages the program. He hired the coaches,

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 6:25 PM
 

recruited the players, holds it together. To give him no credit for being an excellent decision maker and the glue is short sighted and moronic. Clearly you work as a fast food employee or department store clerk.


Another clueless writer looking for a story and doing NO


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:45 PM
 

research. At least #3.


Re: That's laughable. Dabo is #3 AT WORST.***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:16 PM
 

What a joke article


That's laughable. Dabo is #3 AT WORST.***AGREE! # 1

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 5:21 PM
 

NEXT YEAR - GO TIGERS - YOU SHOW 'EM DABO!


Must have come out on April 1 - lol***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 5:27 PM
 




Re: FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:47 AM
 

Disagree...


Is this a joke?

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:48 AM
 

nm


#3 or even #4 I could understand but you're telling me that

[4]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:49 AM
 

Frank Beamer and Al Golden have been better better coaches than Dabo? LOL


maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:27 AM
 

those guys actually coach.

Dabo hires people to coach.

Been trying to tell yall for years. He is not a very good coach. Article even says -"he is best in the CEO role".

It is accurate and factual. I wouldn't have him as high as 6 if looking at the ability to coach the game.


This is just stupid Gamecoot mantra and has no relation to

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:38 AM
 

reality


Re: This is just stupid Gamecoot mantra and has no relation to

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:40 AM
 

you are right. the ability to physically coach, not just be called coach, should not be factored into a "best coach poll". LMAO.


How do you know? What kind of measure do you employ?

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:41 AM
 

Explain how coaching can be measured? Wins and loses seems pretty good to me.


Re: How do you know? What kind of measure do you employ?

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:45 AM
 

the ability to go on the field and coach/teach the game. the article itself even acknowledges Dabo is best at "CEO role" which tells me they were focused more on the actual teaching side of the job.


Tell 'em capon

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:46 AM
 

you are not coot worthy


I'd rather have wins than teaching moments. 22-4 the last 2

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:52 AM
 

years with loses to 2 top 10 teams. Pretty good coach there.


Do you mean like Spurrier taught us all how to blow 3 TO's

[3]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:15 PM
 

in the Tennessee game last year? That's some might fine coaching there! May have cost SCar a shot at the MNC.


Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:52 AM
 

OK then if that's the way you want to look at it. That would make Dabo #1 at getting coaches that can do their jobs without him having to interfere and teach them how to fing coach.


Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:09 PM
 

i would agree that Dabo is the #1 CEO coach in the ACC and maybe the country. He is good at what he does. He recognizes his own weaknesses and gets out of the coordinators' ways. People act like I am completely bashing him because I say he isn't a very good coach. He is good at what he does. But coaching (from an x's and o's standpoint) isn't his strong suit.


Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:16 AM
 

But they are making those assumptions from Dabo's first time ever being the HC of anything. Dabo has grown with our program also. Dabo has grown with every win and every loss. For anyone to not think that, just look at how smart he was at putting the pieces together that turned Clemson into a winning program. To think that Dabo can't coach is ludicrous.


Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that

[3]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:05 AM
 

All head coaches hire people to coach you stupid ####.


Hmmm ... I think he COACHED wide receivers

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:11 AM
 

before becoming head coach.

"When I was young, I was sure of many things; now there are only two things of which I am sure: one is, that I am a miserable sinner; and the other, that Christ is an all-sufficient Saviour. He is well-taught who learns these two lessons." -John Newton


Re: Hmmm ... I think he COACHED wide receivers


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:07 PM
 

and he was very average at that. its not like his WR set the world on fire. they caught a plethora of WR screens to inflate numbers but when they had to make a catch to win the game, they usually left us wondering ### happened.

And, the fundamentals (ie hand placement, route running, high point, and body leverage) were all lacking under DS.

Remember that game AT GT where HIS WR dropped 17 balls and we lost 13-9 or something like that?

There is a reason that Bama and CU both passed on DS as an OC several times when they had openings.


Re: Hmmm ... I think he COACHED wide receivers


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:26 PM
 

Making #### up again. You really are clueless.


Re: Hmmm ... I think he COACHED wide receivers


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 6:59 PM
 

what part of that is made up? i can go back in history and back up every bit of that post. can you rebut or just gonna throw out non sense?


If Dabo was such an awful WR coach, and can't "coach"


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 10:32 AM
 

in general, than why has Clemson become WR U? Why do we have the number 1 WR in the NFL draft this year, a top 5 WR in the draft last year, and the best TE in the country the year before? When Dabo was the WR coach we beat #6 Tennessee in the Peach Bowl and laid down the 63-17 on the coots to name a few examples.

You keep posting circular arguments, and every single game statistic says you are wrong. Dabo isn't as much of a specialist coach as someone like David Shaw, but he sure knows how to develop players and win games. He knows how to get in our players heads and get them in the zone for games.
A better example of a CEO coach would be Gene Chizik. Great spokesperson, great motivational speaker kind of guy, but look what happened when he lost his superstar personnel, Auburn sucked. Chizik couldn't coach a game to save his life, the gameplay was the burden of the players and the assistants. They had the talent to compete at the elite level, but Chizik couldn't get them past 8-4 and 3-9 seasons once his superstars were gone.

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Re: If Dabo was such an awful WR coach, and can't "coach"


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 5:33 PM
 

Dabo can recruit and motivate - no one has ever questioned that. And he is a good CEO coach, I am not sure why that offends people? It takes all types.


You idiot, the hc hires coaches, manages the program,


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 6:27 PM
 

recruited the players, holds it together. To give him no credit for being an excellent decision maker and the glue is short sighted and moronic. Clearly you work as a fast food employee or department store clerk.


Re: maybe they are actually factoring in the fact that


Posted: Apr 5, 2014 11:22 PM
 

Who really cares if he coaches or hires coaches? I could not care less if he did not even go to the games, so long as his teams are winning. The best managers let their employees do what their employees do best. In this era, Its the head coaches job to scream at the zebras.


Golden and Petrino are above Dabo?

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:49 AM
 

Miami out recruits us consistently and lost to DUKE at home last year and was a play away from losing to freaking Wake Forrest?! Petrino has yet to even coach one game at UL so him being above Dabo is laughable as well


Petrino belongs head of Dabo IMO. Beamer doesn't any


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:36 AM
 

longer though. He's a shell of himself now, and that program appears to be as well.


Re: Golden and Petrino are above Dabo?

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:10 AM
 

Plus Miami is in one of the biggest hot beds of great talent that will stay in Fla. if they see they have a chance to play behind the talent that is already there. If Dabo was the HC at most any of those Fla. schools, he would without any doubt be winning championships. I bet anybody that Dabo could take his staff to any of those 3 or 4 Fla schools and win big time.


Re: Golden and Petrino are above Dabo?


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 2:50 PM
 

You do realize that Petrino had guided both Louisville and Arkansas from mediocrity to Top 10 right?


I'd put Dabo at #5. What has Al Golden done to deserve #5?***

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:50 AM
 




Re: I'd put Dabo at #5. What has Al Golden done to deserve #5?***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:30 PM
 

Pretty high ranking for a coot. Slurrier is about # 9 in sec. No bcs no championships no significance


If that does not fire you up to win by double digits

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:51 AM
 

this year I don't know what will.


garbage


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:52 AM
 

Al golden....funny


Re: garbage


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:28 AM
 

Dabo wouldn't last 5 minutes in a meeting room with Golden.


You would not last 5 minutes in a room with Dabo talking

[4]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:37 AM
 

football so . . .?


Re: You would not last 5 minutes in a room with Dabo talking


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:38 AM
 

actually, the last time i was in a FB meeting room with Dabo, he walked out. So there ya go.


Right . . .***

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:39 AM
 




truth***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:40 AM
 




What truth?***

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:41 AM
 




I've heard it all now***

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:51 AM
 




Re: You would not last 5 minutes in a room with Dabo talking

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:07 AM
 

You're going full blown dumb ###. Please stop.


Literal translation: "Dabo passed me on the way out of the

[5]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:58 AM
 

men's restroom...he didn't know who I was so I guess that is why he didn't speak."


LOL, I was gonna post this.***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:01 AM
 



Cole @ Beach Cole w/ Clemson Hat


I'm guessing

[4]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:46 AM
 

This is when you were trying to pitch some video project the AD rejected and thus you began your ax-grinding? I think that was the story you used to express.


Re: I'm guessing

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:47 AM
 

and......crickets.


Re: I'm guessing


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:12 PM
 

nope. never done any video. wouldn't know how.

but i did sit in a meeting room with him and the staff on several occasions.

dabo always found a reason to leave. even as a WR coach/asst he brought nothing to the table.

meeting simply carried on.


uh huh ....


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:37 PM
 

nm


Re: garbage

[3]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:16 AM
 

EXILED, how many time have you been banned from this site. hiding your cootdum is not one of your better qualities


none.


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:13 PM
 

nor will i be.

lifelong tiger and crump knows it.


This is the same publication that thinks

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:52 AM
 

SCAR is a better job than Miami


So if you "win" the ACC championship game in 2009, BUT

[4]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:53 AM
 

were forced to vacate that win because you cheated are you still ACC champs for 2009? I like how all sports reporters conveniently "forget" to add facts like this to the article. I guess if you're not cheatin you're not tryin..

On July 18, 2011, Georgia Tech was forced to vacate the win due to the result of an NCAA investigation. The NCAA announced the game would be considered to have no winner.[85]

News from USuC...
"Richardson was the 20th Gamecock arrested since Spurrier was hired in Nov. 2004"

Fluxus®
"As I watched the game yesterday I couldn't help but feel crushed. We beat Furman by 4 TDs, but to me it looked like we got whipped."

"George Bush, we are reliably informed by the media, has the IQ of a moron, though how he matriculated from Yale and Harvard or flew an F-106 will remain an unexplained mystery. Doubtless his father bribed the airplane to fly itself."


Al golden??? Beamer is past his prime and

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:57 AM
 

does Petrino still have his touch? Based on what have you done lately Dabo shud be a clear #3...

Orange Googlers Unite

Save Tigernet--Boot the coots(you know who I mean).


from the article...

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 8:58 AM
 

"Winning 10 games at Alabama is different than winning 10 games at Kentucky."

Then why isn't Cutcliffe #1?

This coupled with Dabo outside the Top 5 makes this a bogus article.


Beamer and Johnson the two most overrated coaches in the


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:01 AM
 

ACC.


Well, if the basketball team was #14, sure ... why not?

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:07 AM
 

Ahhh, where to begin?

* Dabo leads the No. 7 or 8 (depending on you poll) team in the nation, but is only the 6th best coach in a not-so-stellar ACC?

* Well behind David Cutcliffe (a solid coach, to be sure) who has never beaten Clemson?

* Behind Frank Beamer, who hasn't beaten Clemson in years? Who's team is barely above .500 over the past 3 years? I like the note that "Prior to Morris, Swinney was only 19-15" ... and that's STILL better than Beamer's been the past 3 years.

* Behind Al Golden, who has yet to finish in the Top 25 since coming to Miami?

* The argument that Dabo wins only because of his assistants sort of loses its luster when you have Jimbo at No. 1 ... yet the Noles only began winning after he replaced his coordinators. The fact that one of the prime reasons for Jimbo being named top coach is "Fisher has three seasons of at least 10 wins." Yet Clemson has done the same ... the ONLY other ACC team that can make that claim ... and not only is it only good enough for 6th place, but it's not even mentioned in the critique of Dabo.

The way I read this is, "Clemson has enjoyed some of its greatest success as a program over the past few years, but putting the right people in the right places isn't really part of coaching....unless you're at Florida State. Then it's an integral part of being a coach. Oh, and even if Clemson whips you on the field, even if you have nothing to show since the re-emergence of Clemson football, you're still a better coach because of something you did 10 years ago."

Does that about cover it?


Nailed it Rev...

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:10 AM
 

...I can somewhat stomach Cutcliffe & Beamer ahead of him, it's a conversation at a minimum (personally put Dabo ahead of both).

Behind the other two guys is just laughable.

There's no such thing as a stupid question, just stupid people who ask questions.


Personally, I think Cutcliffe is one of the top coaches

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:14 AM
 

...and if the criteria was who's the best X's and O's guy, he might be my top choice.

But if the criteria in place allows Jimbo to be No. 1, (great players, tradition, solid assistants, Top 10 finishes) then the same criteria should put Dabo and Clemson in the Top 3 at worst.


GERMANS


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:16 AM
 

http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=15215967

;)

Cole @ Beach Cole w/ Clemson Hat


Isn't Beamer one of those "CEO Coaches" who relies on his


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:17 AM
 

assistants, especially his DC of the past 18 years?


The other Beamer question

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:15 AM
 

If Beamer is such a great coach, then what the heck happened to Beamer Ball? Did he take a lunch pail to the head and forget everything he knew?


Re: Well, if the basketball team was #14, sure ... why not?


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 3:56 PM
 

Surprising to see a little reason and logic entering this discussion. 0_0


The key question is "Who would you want coaching your team

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:11 AM
 

NEXT year?"

If it's "Has done the best coaching" then Beamer is in the mix, but if it's "Who are you picking to coach your team?" then Beamer is doubtful...he doesn't seem to be as dialed in with his coaching the last couple of years. It's not just the wins and losses...his teams have lost that signature sharpness on Special Teams (his specific area).

So, if you have to pick a coach NOW, you have to go with Fisher, Cutcliffe or Swinney. These are the three that have their programs running on all cylinders and appear to be doing it "the right way."

null


Re: The key question is "Who would you want coaching your team


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:29 AM
 

the answer would be Cutcliffe or Fisher. They wouldn't have to hire someone to coach for them.


Yes they would.

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:33 AM
 

No one can successfully coach an entire football team by himself. Not even at the pee-wee leagues.

So, since that's the case, identifying, hiring and retaining talented assistants is a major (perhaps the single most important) aspect of success as a head coach.

I don't really care who does the xs and os for the team - whether that's Swinney, Morris/venables or a graduate assistant. All I care about is wins and losses.


Re: Yes they would.


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:36 AM
 

no - they can't coach an entire team by themselves. But they can coordinate an entire, successful offense by themselves. 6-7 anyone?


Coordinators serve the vision and the leadership of a coach***

[3]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:36 AM
 




So, you're saying that successful coaches should never have

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:41 AM
 

tough seasons? No one argues that 2010 was a success. But it certainly was a transitional moment - what people in math might call an inflection point.

I don't think Swinney is the best coach in the ACC. But I think he's pretty darn good, and I feel good about the direction of the program with him at the helm at this moment in time.


Lou Holtz once led your school to an 0-11 year.***

[1]
Posted: Apr 3, 2014 8:32 AM
 




Ummm, Since Jimbo himself says ....

[7]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:43 AM
 

...that his success as a coach comes from finding the best assistants and paying them well, his own words sort of fly in the face of your weak attempt to denigrate Dabo.

The difference is that Fisher had a few seasons as a coordinator before his ascension. Dabo had to learn some hard lessons on the fly.

The lessons have been learned.


Re: Ummm, Since Jimbo himself says ....


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:48 AM
 

what experience does Dabo have to lean on when it comes to giving advice to Brent and Chad? Does he even give advice to Brent and Chad?

It really is simple for me - on game day, when the brain trust get together on both sidelines - we are outnumbered 3 to 2.


Tell 'em capon


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:51 AM
 

sad


How are we outnumbered if we win?***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:53 AM
 




Re: Ummm, Since Jimbo himself says ....

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:22 AM
 

Rev I'm there with you on that. Dabo was lost at first, but it didn't take him but a minute to gather his wits and put together a staff that could carry him until he did learn to be a HC. And I would bet that even behind Dabo's back, that Morris or BV wouldn't ever say that Dabo can't coach. Dabo could coach before he became the HC. He didn't become the HC until 2008, he had been coaching at Clemson sense 2002. And he had coached at Alabama from 1993 to 2000. So he has been coaching 14 years plus his playing years. Dabo is a very smart man, he was twice named an Academic All-SEC and SEC Scholar Athlete Honor Roll. So to think he hasn't leaned to be a Head Coach in 6 years as smart as he is. That just isn't giving Dabo credit where credit is due, and scoffing at what he has accomplished at Clemson. And its also insinuating that he's a dumb A$S....


Rev, Was it not Moses that invented the division of labor?


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 5:40 PM
 

He'd be denigrating Moses too. Bless his heart.


Re: The key question is "Who would you want coaching your team


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:45 AM
 

I don't wish you anything really bad. But the best thing for people who have to be around you daily, would be if you were Exiled from this earth. Its just not right for others to have contact with you. X


I'll take Morris and Venables, but you can have Dabo for


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:29 AM
 

your team. Dabo doesnt coach a darn thing.


Yeah. So being a coach at Bama and then at Clemson meant


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:38 AM
 

nothing? Laughing at the stupidity of some folks. Really. Laughing.


Yea, so bad at alabama he was pushed out and into insurance

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:51 AM
 

sales. A coach so bad that without the most expensive staff in college football, he wouldnt be a hill of beans.


Hey Coot fan, it must frustrate you that Dabo is building an


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:55 AM
 

elite program at Clemson. After 20+ years the real program in SC is coming back and the best is yet to come. It probably scares you.

GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm certainly not a coot fan, but USuC fans certainly have

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:59 AM
 

nothing to be jealous of. They've destroyed us for 5 yrs in a row, probably going to be 6 this year. They're more nationally relevant than Clemson is right now. They're in the best power conference making the most money. Clemson is in the weakest BCS conference and still cannot win it.


Re: I'm certainly not a coot fan, but USuC fans certainly have


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:00 PM
 

well you are certainly no clemson fan i ever want to be around.


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:00 PM
 

More nationally relevant? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Why would it scare them? In 2-3 years it might, but why

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:12 PM
 

would they have any reason to be scared now?


Re: Yea, so bad at alabama he was pushed out and into insurance


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:06 PM
 

didn't dabo win a division title without morris and venables?


Tell 'em coot


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:27 PM
 

sad


And you have no reason to assume you would win.


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:22 PM
 

Dabo creates the culture
Dabo hires the assistants
Dabo is the main driver of the recruiting

Neither Morris nor Venables have been tasked with doing any of that at the collegiate level. Maybe they'll be great at it, maybe they won't. Dabo has proven he is great at it.

If you were an actual Clemson fan, you would just say thank you and enjoy three 10-win seasons in a row, an ACC championship, two division championships and a BCS victory. But you're not.

null


laughable. 8th at best


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:25 AM
 

but that is ok. he is winning with high paid assts. who cares? he is winning.


Obviously you care, coot.

[3]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:34 AM
 

You have bashed Dabo four times in this thread alone.

MauldinT, where are you???


Re: Obviously you care, coot.


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:37 AM
 

not bashing. telling the truth. he is only as good as those around him.

Fisher and Cutcliffe have a pedigree to lean on.


Every head coach is only as good as those around them.

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:38 AM
 

Duh.


Re: Every head coach is only as good as those around them.


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:42 AM
 

to some extent. but the good ones make those better around them. they offer some insight. something they have learned as a coordinator over the years. Dabo watches and listens.


Examples***

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:43 AM
 




^^The idiot that never watched or listened in high school^^***

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:46 AM
 




And has probably never set foot in DV

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:29 AM
 

and if he has we was probably wearing coot red.


Wait - I think we're getting troll'd so hard right now.

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:45 AM
 

And I didn't even realize it. I feel... so... ashamed...


Dabo fisher and cutcliffe top 3 any order. This list is JUNK***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:41 AM
 




Mmmm Hmmmm

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:43 AM
 

I guess the people "around" Fisher and Cutcliffe are nothing more than mouth-breathing mongrels that are only useful as paperweights. Fisher and Cutcliffe do ALL the head coaching, co-ordinating, assistant coaching, recruiting, and anything else involved in running the football program.

You just made the worst argument in the history of the internet.

MauldinT, where are you???


Re: Mmmm Hmmmm


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:51 AM
 

no, not at all. he has good assts, but he is able to tell them what he wants done. he could go coach any of their specific positions at practice and do it well. so could cutcliffe (whom i think is THE best coach in the ACC).

Dabo had a vision. He had no idea how to complete that vision. He hired Chad. Chad is the one who tells the other offensive assts what to do/teach. He is effectively the head coach of offense. Same with Brent on Defense.


Spurrier can't coach defense...***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:55 AM
 




How can Morris run his offense if Dabo isn't bringing in

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:01 AM
 

These 4 star recruits. Morris would still be a good OC, but he needs Dabo's recruiting, just as much as Dabo needs his coordinating


You have zero evidence or support of your "theory".***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:24 AM
 



Cole @ Beach Cole w/ Clemson Hat


I haven't read any of your post, just looked at the picture.***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 6:34 PM
 




Isn't what makes a good head coach the coordinators you...

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:45 AM
 

surround yourself with? Steve Spurrier wasn't leading those top 25 defenses the last 3 years.


Hey Express 13 (a.k.a: Old 0-21) he has won more than your

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:35 AM
 

coach won his first 6 years at USuC.


Re: laughable. 8th at best

[3]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:38 AM
 

So, you're saying that results on the field don't really matter? If that's the case, I'd say that Jimbo Fisher is probably the 9th best coach in the ACC. He just happens to be really good at recruiting incredible talent which covers up for his lack of coaching ability

Case in point, Auburn - a team that has one of the best x-and-o coaches in the business at the helm - put FSU on the limit in the BCSCG until FSU was bailed out by a freak athletic play in the form of a kickoff return.

If your logic applies to Dabo in that way, it should also apply to Jimbo Fisher - to say nothing of the others on this list...


Re: laughable. 8th at best


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:44 AM
 

you do realize that Jimbo won a NC as an OC right? I mean, the guy has proven that he can coach. And once Papa Bowden got out of his way at FSU, they have taken off. And won't be caught for some time.


So, the fact that Jimbo Fisher was on staff with Nick Saban

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:48 AM
 

completely shuts down your argument about how a head coach shouldn't have to rely on good coordinators to win.

You do realize that Nick Saban surrounds himself with the best coordinators and assistants he can find, right? The same thing that Jimbo Fisher does. The same thing that Dabo Swinney does. The same thing that pretty much every coach in the business does.


Brad Scott also won a National Title as an OC ...***

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Posted: Apr 6, 2014 8:52 AM
 




Just can't stay "exiled" can you 44% (not even half-in)


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 5:19 PM
 

56 % coot - how are you rated on your boards?


Re: Just can't stay "exiled" can you 44% (not even half-in)


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 5:21 PM
 

I don't think ihatetimmatch.com has a forum on it.


This is a joke. Pure, sorry joke. When Dabo's teams continue

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:35 AM
 

win and stay in the elite status range how long will it take for people to wake up and see what Dabo is--a coach who wins at the highest level.

GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Re: This is a joke. Pure, sorry joke. When Dabo's teams continue


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:49 AM
 

Then why cant he beat his division rival--florida state and his in-state rival, the chickens. That winning record of his is meaningless. Who gives a crap about beating the citadels and wake forests of the world. Ask west virginia how good a coach he is. ask florida state, ask spurrier.


When you leave out UGA, LSU, Auburn, Ohio State it makes

[3]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:50 AM
 

you look dumb too.


Tell 'em capon


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:54 AM
 

FAIL


Yeah...Who gives a crap about UGA, LSU, and Ohio State?!***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:57 AM
 




Only if you ask Richt, Miles, Meyer and Malzahn...


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:01 AM
 

...oh, and Cutcliffe and Beamer, since they're ranked higher on this list.


I'd rather ask Urban Meyer or Les Miles or Mark Richt.***


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 8:37 AM
 




Re: FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:46 AM
 

With all the accolades they pour over Dabo's success at Clemson. They still flat out refuse to give him credit for what Dabo himself has accomplished at Clemson as the Head Coach. He has done exactly what a HC is suppose to do as in hiring and putting together a staff that he can win with. He has won the acc championship Once, the Atlantic side of the conference Twice, and 2nd place once. He has beat LSU in the Chic-Fil-A bowl, he beat UGA in the same year he beat OSU in the BCS Orange bowl, with two back to back 11 season wins. In the last 3 years he is, 2011 10-4 with 6-2 in conference, 2012 11-2 with 7-1 conference, 2013 11-2 with 7-1 in conference. Other than a NC, Dabo's record is better than Fishers, and they rate Dabo as the 6 best ACC coach. The worst thing about this total Bull Chit is that the people ( and this BS was published for the people ) believe this BS and only know the obscured BS that those people publish about people like Dabo. That is most of the reason that OUR coach catches so much chit. There are some awful vicious S O B's in the media when they want to paint a bleak picture of someone. And that goes for other coaches also. One thing is absolute though, Dabo could leave coaching today or 40 years from now. And I don't think that anyone could say that Dabo ever tried to put a dark side on anyone in coaching or any where else. I know who we have leading our FB team, and personally, I wouldn't trade him for all those #1s in college FB. I love our Head Coach, and he is #1 to me!!!


WHY do you think no one has tried tohire him away

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:53 AM
 

if dabo is such a good coach why has no other major college tried to hire him? Not one offer has he had. When does he quit running that mouth and beat spurrier? Actually, we are the only people dumb enough to hire and keep him


Why do you want him hired away if he is winning?***

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:55 AM
 




Re: Why do you want him hired away if he is winning?***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:12 AM
 

I actually expect him to be competitive within his division and with his in-state rival. Both those teams have outcoached him convincingly and physically dominated us to the point of embarrasment. I don't have to listen to LSU people. Its nice to beat GA and LSU, but I don't live in those states and Clemson is not in that conference. I would appreciate a win over the chickens sometime in the next 8-10 years. But, I don't think Swinney is capable of it. I also don't think he is capable of beating florida state anytime in the next few years, So, I rate him very low on a performance scale---would like him to depart so we can get a coach that is capable of fielding a team that can actually stay on the same field with sc and fla state and not be a complete embarrasment on national TV.


We did beat FSU in 2011 in the Valley, Last year was a

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:26 AM
 

setback but I would not count Clemson out this year in Tally. I think we want to correct this game. Also last year was the first time in 4 years we had a team that could stand toe to toe with the Coots. We failed because of turnovers but I think this year we catch them in the Valley and end your pain.


Re: We did beat FSU in 2011 in the Valley, Last year was a


Posted: Apr 5, 2014 10:24 PM
 

IMO that win in 2011 did a huge disservice to the psyche of the Clemson faithful. Many of the fans falsely assumed that game was the catalyst to some sort of new dawning of Tiger dominance.

FSU being severely handicapped in that game led to many in the Tiger fan base having an undeserved sense of superiority.

2012 was more indicative of what 2011 should have been. And if it were so, expectation would have been tempered in Death Valley in 2013.


Tell 'em capon***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:36 AM
 




5-1 in the division and he's not competitive, got it.***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:27 AM
 



Cole @ Beach Cole w/ Clemson Hat


Re: Why do you want him hired away if he is winning?***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:13 AM
 

I actually expect him to be competitive within his division and with his in-state rival. Both those teams have outcoached him convincingly and physically dominated us to the point of embarrasment. I don't have to listen to LSU people. Its nice to beat GA and LSU, but I don't live in those states and Clemson is not in that conference. I would appreciate a win over the chickens sometime in the next 8-10 years. But, I don't think Swinney is capable of it. I also don't think he is capable of beating florida state anytime in the next few years, So, I rate him very low on a performance scale---would like him to depart so we can get a coach that is capable of fielding a team that can actually stay on the same field with sc and fla state and not be a complete embarrasment on national TV.


Tell 'em capon


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:56 AM
 

out of the loop


Arkansas tried to hire Tommy B...He must have been a great

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:59 AM
 

coach.


Tommy Bowden beat USCheat like a drum too***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:01 AM
 




Funny he wasn't a good coach either...Have we ever had...


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:16 AM
 

a good coach coots?


It must get loney ... and hot...

[3]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:03 AM
 



Trying to defend a burning fort....


Another idiot, nice. Nobody is hiring him away because

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:26 AM
 

he's locked into a high buyout, and has made it quite clear he doesn't want to leave Clemson.

Cole @ Beach Cole w/ Clemson Hat


Boom, roasted***


Posted: Apr 6, 2014 2:51 PM
 




Writer must be a SEC fan...***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:59 AM
 




Good.


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:10 AM
 

That just gives 'im more motivation to prove 'em wrong.


Agree


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:14 AM
 

Dabo could take USF / UCF to championships with the leftovers that resude in Florida. This article is terrible in that it uses fluff criteria for its end results.

DB23


Jimbo kinda wins by default now


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:35 AM
 

1) Jimbo - has the natty
2) Petrino - built the Louisville program from nothing and won a BCS bowl there. Had Arkansas competitive and winning 10 games in the super tough SEC West, and they were a dumpster fire after he left. Maybe a POS as a person, but extremely good coach.
3) Dabo - Cutcliffe may be a better coach, but he still hasn't won anything (even a bowl), so I'm giving the nod to Dabo.
4) Cutcliffe - building Duke into a competitive program is obviously a huge accomplishment
5) Beamer - This ranking is only because of past accomplishments. the game has passed him by and VT is on the decline with him at the helm right now. Bobby Bowden type situation playing out?
T6) Fedora/Golden - haven't quite gotten results at new schools yet, but both have potential and have shown signs. I like what Golden was able to accomplish at Temple and what Fedora did at Southern Miss.
8) Johnson - good coach, but an arsehole with an abrasive personality that can't recruit.
9-15) I don't care.


Umm..okay.***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:37 AM
 




Re: FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:58 AM
 

Help me out I'm an old fart but it seems to me if Dabo isn't responsible for the sucess of the football team we should just fire him. We could just keep the assistants that are responsible and save a lot of money. I have been out of the business community for a while but when I was in and you had a department that was not up to par, you hired a new manager and he came in, replaced staff and the department turned around you give him credit and if you could a raise.


Is this a coaching staff ranking or a head coach ranking??


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:33 AM
 

As for coaching staffs, Clemson should be #2-3. As for ranking of the coach by himself, Dabo should be around #8. Dabo with Morris/Venables is a good coach. Without those two, Dabo is worthless. We all saw how poor he was with Napier and Steele. He cannot coach his way out of a wetpaper bag. He has to go out and hire the most expensive staff in the nation for him to succeed.


Yeah. Your philosophy is flawed. Was SOS a good coach

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:35 AM
 

when his Cooter teams were losing to Vandy year after year?

OH YEAH!!!


As much as I hate SOS, I think hes an excellent coach


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:45 AM
 

He's clearly a hall of fame college coach. He revolutionized the SEC when he came in with his passing game. He ran roughshod over that conference for over a decade. Now he's built one of the worst programs in college football into a perennial contender/top 10 team.

I dont see how any intelligent person can even compare Dumbo with SOS on a coaching level. Dabo is by far the better person. Hes the guy you want running your boyscout troop. SOS is the guy you want coaching your team.


No thanks. How long did it take him to build up his team?

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Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:53 AM
 

He has not really ran roughshod over the conference if you look at the weakness of Florida and Tennessee over the last 3 years. Good timing I guess (luck) for SOS.


The second you begin throwing around pejoratives at Dabo


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:00 PM
 

Is the second I think most everyone begins to completely dismiss anything you have to say.

Feel free to criticize, but calling him Dumbo immediately makes me think of you as the worst type of fan.


Re: As much as I hate SOS, I think hes an excellent coach


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:02 PM
 

imagine my gall having a problem with this post. right mr clemson.


I'll take 10 win seasons and CHAMPIONSHIPS***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 2:07 PM
 




Anybody who thinks Dabo is too low, picture Dabo without


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:49 AM
 

Morris next year and tell me how comfortable you feel about that!

Dabo hired Napier and Steele, both bad hires. then he hired Morris and Venables, good hires. So he's 50/50. Do you think he'll get as lucky as he did with Morris again?


I'd feel fine. No more than 4 losses.***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:53 AM
 



Cole @ Beach Cole w/ Clemson Hat


Re: Anybody who thinks Dabo is too low, picture Dabo without

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:54 AM
 

uh napier was a no brainer at the time. it did not work out. steele was one of the most sought after coaches in the country. what was dabo to do. good lord.


Tell 'em capon


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:28 PM
 

beneath coot


What's Dabo's overall record?***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 2:10 PM
 




You could remove dabo from the staff for next year and

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:55 AM
 

it wouldnt affect the W/L one single bit. So, how can he be a good coach if removing him doesnt change anything?


Once again a very dumb comment. Oh, Lord what a troll you

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:57 AM
 

are.


Dumb comment? Dabo brings no wins to the staff


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:00 PM
 

If you remove Petrino, Jimbo, Saban, Meyer, (all the top coaches) from their coaching staffs, they would lose more games and there'd be a drop off. Dabo, not so much.


If you removed their excellent coaching staffs I challenge


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:03 PM
 

that statement.


Re: Dumb comment? Dabo brings no wins to the staff

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:04 PM
 

So.....Dabo gets credit for all of the losses because he is the HC, but none of the wins because he has hired a really great staff?


It's fun to make up completely off the wall bullshít

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:06 PM
 

scenarios that aren't based on any factual evidence but fit your deluded, moronic narrative!

If Dabo was removed from the Clemson coaching staff next year, we'd go 0-12, FACT.

Cole @ Beach Cole w/ Clemson Hat


Tell 'em capon


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:29 PM
 

look, your shame is showing


If we grant your premise, then your conclusion is valid

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:49 PM
 

But, your premise is pure and utter fantasy-land BS. It's circular logic.

1) You don't think Dabo is a good coach
2) Thus you think removing him wouldn't harm the W/L record
3) Thus you think Dabo isn't a very good coach.


exactly


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:17 PM
 

his effect is felt in 4 year cycles with the talent he brings on campus.


Not any more... It took a while to build the pressure, but


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 10:35 AM
 

this locomotive is getting ready to roll..


Message was edited by: SOLOS®



I love this!


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:04 PM
 

We've got one heck of a coach who everybody else under values. That means while he continues to make this one of the best programs in nation, other schools might not try to steal him away.

And I laugh at all the comments about how he can't be a great coach and he only wins because he is surrounded by great coaches. Who the heck do you think hired them? I'm sure all of these "experts" were probably calling Dabo an idiot for hiring some coach only one year out of high school coaching.


If this were an article about the best coordinators


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:20 PM
 

in the ACC, I beleive this author would rank Clemson #1 or #2, but it appears the author had an agenda.

Clemson has one of the very best records in CFB during the past 3 years, but that's not the scope of the article.

The essence of this article is that Dabo didn't do much before hiring Morris and Venables and it remains to be seen what will occur at Clemson after they leave.

The article is very unfair to Dabo, because CFB is mostly about "what have you done for me lately."


I will vote to keep Dabo...whatever he is ranked.


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:33 PM
 

He is a perfect fit at Clemson! I hope he appreciates the job as much many of us appreciate the job he is doing. I would be fine with no other school ever coming after him.


Doesn't make much sense...Petrino hasn't coached a day in

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 12:50 PM
 

this league and Dabo owns Beamer... Al Golden? I know he has overcome a lot of obstacles, but what has he won? And Duke? Flash in the pan...Grobe used to be in the Top 4 of ACC Coaches too, how'd that turn out?


He has made chicken salad out of chicken chit !

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:00 PM
 

Remember when Coach Swinney took over? WE WERE HURTING. In a VERY short period of time, Clemson is now one of the TOP PROGRAMS in the Country AND

He has "done it right". We are NOT a football factory, we have CLASS, and I proud to be a Clemson Tiger fan ... proud to show the cool Tiger Paw here in the great State of Virginia, "The Mother Of Presidents" ..... :)


Wow! Dabo-devotion inspires more posts than any other topic!

[2]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:05 PM
 

Jacoby Ford signs with the Jets and it generated 5 comments, so far. Morris discusses offensive progress and it generates 7 comments, so far. Some nobody at Athlon ranks Dabo 6th and it generates 144 comments, so far!

The TigerNet readership seems far, far more devoted to (or emotionally invested in) the head coach than the football team or its players. It always seemed that way with Tommy Bowden too. TigerNet posters are funny like that.


Dabo is FAR more popular than Tommy EVER was...


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 2:13 PM
 

Even after Tommy's 9-3 season in his 2nd year. That what bring us 2 of our top 5 seasons of all time will do. EASILY our top 3 season's in the past 2 decades.


AS usual for you. it's a case of "... forest for the trees".


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 10:17 AM
 

Get a clue... This is Dabo's team, coaches and players. Go back to STS and marvel them with selective stats....


It's CU's team but to HC-devotees like you, it's Dabo's team***


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 4:08 PM
 




So all those NCs in BB at UCLA weren't Wooden's? Bama


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 5:40 PM
 

isn't Saban's team? The Packers weren't Lombardi's? Spin that any way you want. The final decisions rest with the HC, good or bad...


You strayed so far from my point, it's absurdly irrelevant.


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 7:14 PM
 

People can call it "Dabo's team" or "Obama's country". Whatever. That's irrelevant.

My point was this... Based on the low number of comments on most T-Net articles about the team, rankings, players, ex-players, progress reports, etc., and the huge number of comments on a silly opinion-article on a mediocre website ranking the ACC coach rankings, it seems that many more T-Netters (apparently like you) are far, far more emotionally invested in Dabo than in the Clemson football team.

I like Dabo but I'm a Clemson fan foremost.


I'm terrible at my job. I hire great managers and great


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:43 PM
 

team members and we're very successful.

But I suck as a manager. Yeah, right.


So Dimmich has a brother that writes for Athlon

[1]
Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:56 PM
 

Someone tell Lassan to get back in the kitchen where he belongs.


Al Golden at #5??


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 3:49 PM
 

You could make an argument for all the top 4 coaches being where they are, but Al Golden has a .500 record! I would slide Dabo in at either 3 or 4, behind Fisher, Beamer, and maybe David Cutcliffe.


Bunch of malarchy***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 4:34 PM
 




He's OVERATED***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 5:06 PM
 

Nm


April fools?***


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:22 PM
 




My knee jerk reaction was that you're right


Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:30 PM
 

And that it is ridiculous.

But in thinking about it, I'm not so sure. While Jimbo Fisher IMO is the only coach that is clearly a better coach, I think coaches #2-#5 could be moved around and arguments made for any order from there. And I would put Dabo in that 2-5 range. Al Golden is the one that does not belong in that bunch... not sure why everyone thinks so highly of him. Because he turned around a Temple program right as they fell to the MAC? If I were ranking the coaches, I'd go....

1. Fisher
2. Petrino
3. Beamer
4. Swinney
5. Cutcliffe
6. Johnson
7. Golden
8. Addazio
9. Chryst
10. Fedora
11. Clawson
12. Shafer
13. London
14. Doeren


Petrino would make a good OC. To rank him that high


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 10:26 AM
 

without having set foot on the field in the ACC is overly gratuitous. I certainly wouldn't want him as a head coach or an example for the players. His off-field antics are straight from 'comedy of the absurd'... As to Beamer, he's earned his epitaph ...


RDW

SEC coaches


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 12:06 AM
 

Dank is a good coach. He is not a great coach. I am a died in the woommissionsl tiger fan, but I know
reality when I see it. Dabo has a limited knowledge of x and o. He is not a Steve Spurrier or a Jumbo Fisher or even a Cutcliffe. He certainly is not a coordinator. He is a good manager and has good people around him as did Bobby Bowden. Without Chad, Clemson would not compete. Swinney is a great representative and a great recruiter. We may never make it to a National Championship game with him, but will be a top 15 program.


Re: SEC coaches


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 1:05 AM
 

Go home RDW, you are drunk.


Re: FB Update: Dabo Swinney ranked #6 ACC Head Coach

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Posted: Apr 3, 2014 4:55 AM
 

When I saw Golden ahead of Swinney I quit reading as to avoid wasting any time on rubbish... Golden may turn out to be a good coach, but Swinney has done an excellent job with Clemson while Golden has been somewhat mediocre considering he gets top 15 classes every year with the Miami brand...

And yes another step in the right direction would be to start beating FSU and Carolina more often, but honestly who in the entire country has fared better than FSU and Carolina the last couple years?? pretty much nobody outside of Bama...Basically every team in the nation outside of Bama needs to step up if they want to be on par with FSU...And TBH, I think that with the huge BCS bowl win against Ohio St., the Tigers actually had a better overall season than Carolina. They both had great seasons and finished in the top ten, but only Clemson got to a BCS bowl and beat a top 5 program in Ohio St...Yes the Tigers lost to Carolina, but you could also say Clemson beat Georgia who beat Carolina, which cancels that out a bit...Clemson has been a legit top ten team the last two years running, which is pretty much what you hope for every season, with the realization that if you can be a consistent top 10-15 performer your in good position to legitimately shoot for the top on a regular basis.


Xactly!!! +1.***


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 10:29 AM
 




If only he could draw sketches of recruits: top 3 for sure!***


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 7:28 AM
 




Leave Markie alone... That could be meeting room material.***


Posted: Apr 3, 2014 10:31 AM
 




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