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Serious question

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:04 PM
 

I've not followed this like most of you, but from the reports that I've seen and the facts that we know right now, isn't staying in the ACC the best option for Clemson?

It seems the risk of excluding an ACC team from the chance to play in a NC game is low. I don't understand why this is the conclusion everyone is drawing. If exclusion is actually what happens (I cannot see this happening) then I'm certain that Clemson would take the necessary steps to remedy that, even if it means changing conferences.

Help here is appreciated. I just don't get why everyone is so worked up.


We just have to hope we go undefeated(which...


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:08 PM
 

We have done how many times) to be in the discussion of making the playoffs and then it will be up to whoever is deciding who is in the playoffs between an undefeated acc team and a 1 lossteam from one of the big 4 conferences(they wil Definately be in the discussion)


We would have to go undefeated regardless of which


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:11 PM
 

conference we are in. So, conference is a moot point with regard to NC.

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:14 PM
 



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Not necessarily. If our SOS was high enough, it would be


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:20 PM
 

very possible to make a 4 team playoff with one loss. The thinking is we would have a higher SOS and potential to play higher ranked teams in the Big 12 than we would in the ACC. 6 of the last 10 national champions has had at least one loss.

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I just don't believe that any undefeated ACC team will get

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:14 PM
 

passed over for any 1 loss team. Take a 2012 Clemson team for example, 13 wins, 2 SEC wins, and a conf championship. Undefeated gets un in every time.

A 1-loss ACC team will be considered after we (the ACC) starts to win bowl games on a consistent basis. Right now we don't have a good track record, but that will change.


"2 SEC wins."

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:16 PM
 

The fact that you felt the need to mention this demonstrates the problem beautifully.

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I mention that because they are the best football


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:20 PM
 

conference right now. It illustrates 2 quality non-conference wins.

The only way to chance this is for the ACC teams to win non-conference games, especially bowl games.


Gonna be hard to play 2 sec games with 9...


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:21 PM
 

Conference games.


Point is that Clemson will need to continue to schedule


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:23 PM
 

quality non-conference opponents to keep our SOS up.


Annnnd if we were in a quality conference


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:24 PM
 

that wouldn't be the case...

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Re: Point is that Clemson will need to continue to schedule


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:27 PM
 

Exactly that is why its a good idea to leave.


That would be true in any conference. The ACC brings


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:33 PM
 

quality wins as much as any other conference. The last few years, the conf has been down, but I don't believe that quality programs like, VT, FSU, GT, and Miami will stay down.


Re: That would be true in any conference. The ACC brings


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:35 PM
 

Look Im not trying to flame but...in no way shape or form can the acc ever match the sec


And I bet you thought RIM could never be brought down


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:42 PM
 

too. It's hard to stay top dog for extended periods of time.


Re: And I bet you thought RIM could never be brought down


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:48 PM
 

Whats rim? Im really not sure how anybody who follows college football could argue against the sec. Theyve only won the last 6 NC's.


Research in Motion... Blackberry... 5 years ago it was

[2]
Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:55 PM
 

inconceiveable that any other phone maker could knock them off their perch. Things change. I have followed college football for over 30 years, and I know that no team or conference stays top dog forever.


Re: Gonna be hard to play 2 sec games with 9...


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:54 PM
 

Why is it hard to schedule 2 quality OOC opponents with a nine game conference schedule?? Right now the ACC is relatively weak... it's not a meat grinder of a conference schedule... we have Sc at the end of the season and we schedule one good opponent at the beginning of the season.... we still have room for one gimme game..... I don't think that is overly demanding... when the ACC starts to get stronger we can try to roll back the quality of the opening opponent


How you figure?


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:48 PM
 

9 conference games, 2 SEC, and one patsy.


one out of conference patsey***


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:51 PM
 




Re: Serious question

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:13 PM
 

It more has to do with the HUGE difference in revenue that the sec will have over us. This is a serious issue.


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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:15 PM
 




How is that relevant?***

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:19 PM
 



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What are you talking about? Relevant to what?***

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:20 PM
 




Did you just

[3]
Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:21 PM
 

ask what I was talking about and then ask what WE are talking about?

You're higher than I am.

The discussion is about whether it is in Clemson's best interest to stay in the ACC.

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Puff, puff, pass

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:29 PM
 

Can you link where I said "we"? Wow you really are high.


"Relevant to what?"***


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:42 PM
 



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Dood, that's some good stuff. You make no sense whatsoever.***

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:47 PM
 




*pats MattyTiger on the head****


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:49 PM
 



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Dood can you sell me a blunt?

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:49 PM
 

I wanna be able to understand what the heck you're talking about.


Okay, from the top.


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:54 PM
 

jvtiger makes a comment.

You respond to that comment by asking "Did you go to college at Clemson?"

I respond with "How is that relevant?" The implied conclusion to that question is, "...to what we are talking about?"

You then ask "Relevant to what?"

The answer is the implied conclusion to my previous question.

Side note, you're a pretty good troll. 6.5/10.

And no, I don't deal.

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Ironic that matty's showing a lack of cognitive skills.

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:15 PM
 

life is funny.


Okay, are you one of the "WE" he spoke about?

[3]
Posted: Jun 14, 2012 8:23 PM
 

I didn't think so.

As if you have any idea what or who "WE" is and what they have to do with anything regarding whether or not that cockfan went to college. LMBO.

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I will refrain from hating on you cuz we just got the commit


Posted: Jun 14, 2012 8:49 PM
 

of the year.

You're welcome,
CBS


Yea I'm fully aware of all that. But you make NO sense at

[3]
Posted: Jun 14, 2012 8:19 PM
 

all, pothead.

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Did you just
Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:21 PM
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ask what I was talking about and then ask what WE are talking about?


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Who is "WE" and what do y'all have to with anything?

W T F. You make zero sense. None whatsoever.

Smoke another bowl, dood.


I thought folks were upset over the risk of exclusion from

[1]
Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:18 PM
 

a NC game, but you say it is all about the money. I hear that the difference is only a few million a year. Is this right? If so, doesn't the SEC deserve a better TV contract based on their performance lately?

Clemson and the rest of the ACC just need to win, then they will compete for the top dollars too. Am I wrong in the way I'm thinking about this?


Money and winning are not separate issues.***


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:20 PM
 



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IPTAY


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:22 PM
 

Clemson will now lose due to lack of money. I don't buy that the difference in the TV contracts will matter to us in terms of wins/loses.


Well you're entitled to be incorrect.***

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:23 PM
 



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Wow you're kind of ### huh?***

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:25 PM
 




I would like to apologize. Upon futher review, it is the

[2]
Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:26 PM
 

other guy. My bad.


Re: Wow you're kind of ### huh?***


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:29 PM
 

You certainly are no one to be accusing anyone of being an ### you TD fairy

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Not tryign to be personal, but

[3]
Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:49 PM
 

have you grown your first pubic hair yet?


Guilty.***


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:42 PM
 



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At least you're honest. That's admirable.***

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:51 PM
 




Explain. We can easily raise enough money to overcome that


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:26 PM
 

few million.


Re: Explain. We can easily raise enough money to overcome that


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:30 PM
 

Buddy no offense but it will be way more than just a few million


How much is the difference?***


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:34 PM
 




Re: How much is the difference?***


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:36 PM
 

Between 6-8 once everything pans out


So at a cost of $20mm to get out of the ACC, it would take


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:40 PM
 

about 3 years to break even. I'm just not convinced that anyone has the ability to forecast who will be the top football school or conference that far out. A lot can change in 3 years in college football.


Re: So at a cost of $20mm to get out of the ACC, it would take


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:42 PM
 

Ok


Point of my post is that there is a lot of emotion


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:52 PM
 

going into the debate. I believe the facts are that any ACC school will have the change to compete. Also, I have not heard one argument that any part of Clemson's program will suffer for lack of money (its a given that our TV contract is not as good as others). Our coaching and facilities continue to improve.

Too much hate for the ACC on this board. I agree we need a new commissioner, but let's not throw away all of our history and tradition because some perceived issues and hatred for one man. The grass is not always greener on the other side.


We wouldn't pay the full $20M. Probably $5M up front


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:47 PM
 

and five more over several years to the Big XII.

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From who?


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:46 PM
 

You realize that 84.4% of the people who donated to IPTAY from 2007-2009 (most recent numbers I could find quickly) gave $1400 or less?

Read: IPTAY relies on the middle class. Guess what is currently dying a slow death in America?

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"NOT" lose... sorry***


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:24 PM
 




Re: IPTAY


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:25 PM
 

Money pays coaches, money upgrades facillities, and money helps recruiting budgets. It also allows you to increase your staff, which Dabo has been wanting. Money is very important and the ACC will NEVER be on eqaul footing financially with the sec...no matter if it starts winning.


WHY?!?!!? Winning means better TV contracts. If the ACC


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:27 PM
 

is winning, people will want to watch. This is what the TV execs value and will pay more for.


Re: WHY?!?!!? Winning means better TV contracts. If the ACC


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:28 PM
 

look we have 3-4 schools that have a chance...sec has more than that


So you didn't go to college anywhere then?***


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:19 PM
 




Re: So you didn't go to college anywhere then?***

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:22 PM
 

Yes graduated in 02...if you are trying to make fun of my grammar mistake...then good job for you buddy


I'm not making fun of a grammar mistake. I'm making fun of

[2]
Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:30 PM
 

the fact you're pretending you went to Clemson.


Re: I'm not making fun of a grammar mistake. I'm making fun of

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:32 PM
 

LOL ok buddy...was there from 98-02. Lived in Clemson house freshmen and sophmore years then moved out to lightsy bridge for my last two years.


Yea I'm sure you did.

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:50 PM
 

LMBO.


Re: Yea I'm sure you did.


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:56 PM
 

Past your bedtime


Good luck getting your GED.***

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Posted: Jun 14, 2012 8:23 PM
 




Re: Serious question


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:54 PM
 

Clemson playing in the ACC even if it's only the 5th best football conference won't keep the Tigers out of a 4 team playoff. If Clemson had gone 13-0 last year the 4 teams would have been LSU, Alabama, Clemson, and Oklahoma State.


I agree***


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:58 PM
 




Re: Serious question

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:54 PM
 

I think alot of you are still ignoring the possibilty that 4 conferences may eventually have their own playoff and just call it the national championship. They are not bound to the ncaa.


Not quite how it would work.


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 9:55 PM
 

The big four would have to break off and form their own NCAA-esque entity.

I find this to be somewhere between likely and probable.

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Re: Not quite how it would work.


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:00 PM
 

Definitely looks like a possibility. Rose bowl and new championship bowl look suspiciously like potential semifinals.


Thankfully I believe it will be


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:11 PM
 

four sixteen team conferences.

If 64 schools are going to break away from the NCAA, Clemson will be invited to be among them. Only monumental administrational incompetence could cause us to be left out.

Even if the SEC didn't get to the point where it would invite us, once the Big XII moves to the BTN model (they'll all get there eventually, the money is too good), adding a school in South Carolina, especially one with Clemson's history and following, would be a no-brainer.

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that's just it. Wilkins made his statement b/c there's been


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:22 PM
 

no offer from the Big 12. Once/if the offer comes, then that 1000 percent drops to 50/50 and probably even more towards Clemson leaving.

There's a reason the NCAA wanted control over TV/money. It's b/c they knew that this scenario was coming and they realized it would destroy college football as we've known it.

Once they lost in court, the decline started.

I'm not saying the new format will be good or bad. I am saying it is changing and that Clemson can:

a. react extremely slowly and suffer bad.
b. react slowly, waiting for all the info, and end up negotiating for something from a position void of power or
c. be proactive, stay ahead of the game, and negotiate from a position of power.


Are you truly going to argue that college football has

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:37 PM
 

DECLINED since the OU/UGA trial?

Before that trial you got to see, what, three games a week if you were lucky? How lucrative is college football now vs. then? Is there a single shred of evidence to support your statement?

I agree with your three options.

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Well, for starters, bowl season sucks. even the big games


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:56 PM
 

not the BCS game. Next, you have conferences shifting, teams from Idaho playing in the Big East and teams from TX and MO in the SE. Then there's the ACC, in danger of becoming irrelevant.

College football is facing some serious issues.


College football has more fans than ever, more exposure than


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 11:00 PM
 

ever, and is making more money than ever.

Yes, a lot of those bowl games do suck, no doubt about it. We get maybe two or three gems per year outside of the title game (which is also a dud often enough).

Conferences are shifting in order to make even more money, not because of some crisis. The ACC's looming irrelevance is entirely its own doing.

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Yet all that money ruined the bowls. And there's potential


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 11:10 PM
 

for the teams/conferences with power and money to take their ball and create their own little game/league. Like it or not, football, like the NFL, needs to have 1 strong leader leading a group with 1 common goal, the league.

Now their are multiple strong leaders (conferences) taking their minions in their own directions chasing their own goals and what we'll be left with will be something that ABC/ESPN set up as their main advertising machine.

The Verizon/Ford/Cisco Systems Collegiate Football League Championship sponsored by Stihl and KFC (for thurs/fri games).


Re: Yet all that money ruined the bowls. And there's potent

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 11:33 PM
 

Have to agree. Even though the changing landscape has been beneficial so far to my team, i cant help but think i will one day look back to the good old days of 12 team conferences, with traditional rivalries, and geographic sense. Alot of history is going to be lost over the next few years.


Re: Thankfully I believe it will be

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:27 PM
 

Agree. If clemson is left out in the next round of expansion it may hurt but only in the short term. No reason to panic until its time fir everyone to go to 16. There are not 64 football programs with more to offer than clemson.


Re: Thankfully I believe it will be

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Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:33 PM
 

If everyone goes to 16, then Clemson is in. SEC might not take them due to footprint and the Big 10 isn't going to take anyone that isn't an AAU univeristy. The Big 12 will take them if they go to 16. No doubt.

I think it was USA Today that reported AD budgets.....USC was $20 million above Clemson. It isn't just a few million dollars. It is $20 million and that was based on 2010 I believe.

TV money is part of it, but the YES program, larger Gamecock club, extra 3000 people per baseball game, and so on add up.


Which should have always been the case


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:38 PM
 

due to your larger alumni base. Your school sucked (no offense, just facts) for years because you didn't make a commitment to winning. Now the situation is reversed and it is Clemson which is reticent to make that commitment.

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Re: Serious question


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:48 PM
 

Major $$$ and fear of being left out of NC hopes seems to be the driving factors. I agree with your post. For a team until last year that routinely has gone 5-3 in the ACC, we all seem to be a little delusional. I went to Miami 1982 and would love to go to a NC game again. I say support the trustees, the coaches, the players...win enough games first and the rest will take care of its self. If the $$$ difference proves to be a deciding factor in allowing us equal success with the SEC and other power conferences, then I might reconsider. If $$$ was the primary component of success, then why is Notre Dame a fraction of what they used to be?


There are a lot of factors that go into it but money is one


Posted: Jun 13, 2012 10:59 PM
 

of the top reasons for sure. B/c its not the only reason doesn't relegate it to non-factor status.

And its hard enough to keep up these days. If we wait too long, we'll be trying to "catch up." I don't want to wait to have to catch up.


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