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Front Page Story: Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future
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Front Page Story: Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future


May 23, 2012, 12:03 PM

 
Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future

Chairman David Wilkins said the Clemson Board of Trustees will convene on Thursday to discuss rumors of realignment. Full Story »


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You forgot the quotations around "rumors"***


May 23, 2012, 12:05 PM



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Re: You forgot the quotations around "and future"******


May 23, 2012, 3:16 PM



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Re: You forgot the quotations around "and future"******


May 23, 2012, 6:32 PM

Also the quotations around "what's best for Clemson". I trust that they really will do what is in the best interest for Clemson. All of us are nervous about, ARE we waiting to long or what and this and that. I personally don't think or believe we are going to be on the out side looking in.

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At least I don't have a dental appointment tomorrow.***


May 23, 2012, 12:06 PM



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Re: Front Page Story: Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future


May 23, 2012, 12:06 PM



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the eyes and mouth have a striking resemblence to Gov. Haley***


May 23, 2012, 12:11 PM



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Re: the eyes and mouth have a striking resemblence to Gov. Haley***


May 23, 2012, 1:21 PM



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Clemson helping form a new


May 23, 2012, 2:18 PM

conference:

National
Inter-
Collegiate
Conference
Including
Everyone

NICCIE

128 teams,

16 divisions of 8,

4 week-ends for play-offs for MNC

Ties within divisions decided by coin flip by Ron Cherry, Jack Childress, Karl Hess, or Jamie Luckie.


For my next magical trick, I will fix the Federal Budget.

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Re: the eyes and mouth have a striking resemblence to Gov. Haley***


May 23, 2012, 9:12 PM [ in reply to Re: the eyes and mouth have a striking resemblence to Gov. Haley*** ]

Really helpful comment. The ACC under the leadership of Swofford, has self-destructed as far as football goes. Unless we bolt to somewhere, forget Clemson football as we all used to love it. But hexx, that's been gone for years. Are we really going to become a basketball power?? Good luck with that scenario. It's over. And Dabo, although being a really nice guy, is a great coach???

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"Hey NOW!!"*****


May 23, 2012, 12:46 PM [ in reply to Re: Front Page Story: Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future ]



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Mm hmm... just getting everyone on the same page...


May 23, 2012, 12:06 PM

wink wink.

;)

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Re: Mm hmm... just getting everyone on the same page...


May 23, 2012, 12:41 PM

The page where they all sign the invitation to join the Big 12? :)

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The BOT needs better sources.***


May 23, 2012, 12:10 PM



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Yes, someone send them the Dude's web address.******


May 23, 2012, 2:55 PM



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Well, if they haven't talked to anybody, how do they know


May 23, 2012, 12:10 PM

what possibilities are out there? They must think we are idiots.

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honestly, some of "us" are***


May 23, 2012, 12:12 PM



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HAHA, point for that laugh!***


May 23, 2012, 1:22 PM



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Re: Well, if they haven't talked to anybody, how do they know


May 23, 2012, 6:55 PM [ in reply to Well, if they haven't talked to anybody, how do they know ]

L A W suits can and will tie things up for a very long time. They (TDP/BOTs) are doing EXACTLY what they are suppose to do. Keeping their mouths shut before and after its all said and done. And they (TDP/BOTs) aren't the ones that are the Idiots. But, the ones that think or believe that they should tell what they know. Those are the real Idiots!!! Personally, I don't care nothing about what's going on in secret or in the public eye. I only care about Clemson and about Clemson being unharmed after its all said and done. I'm hoping that after the BOTs meeting. We will be reading that Clemson has issued a statement to the acc that Clemson intends on looking for greener pastures. Then I will relax and wait for the all's well ending well for Clemson University....


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Re: Well, if they haven't talked to anybody, how do they know


May 23, 2012, 9:16 PM

absolutely. right on.

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Why would the BOT discuss rumors?


May 23, 2012, 12:15 PM

Wouldn't they be just the group that would discuss realignment, not rumors of realignment?

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Maybe to ...end them?***


May 23, 2012, 12:16 PM



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Gotta figure out which one of them talked***


May 23, 2012, 12:18 PM [ in reply to Why would the BOT discuss rumors? ]



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That was my first question.


May 23, 2012, 12:31 PM [ in reply to Why would the BOT discuss rumors? ]

I wonder if they are getting landblasted with calls and e-mails and feel obligated to respond.

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They're tired of all the emails and phone calls I guess.***


May 23, 2012, 12:43 PM [ in reply to Why would the BOT discuss rumors? ]



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DING DING DING, We Have a WINNER!!!***


May 23, 2012, 1:51 PM [ in reply to Why would the BOT discuss rumors? ]



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But will a vote of confidence let Barker do what he wants?


Aug 27, 2019, 9:20 AM [ in reply to Why would the BOT discuss rumors? ]

Or will it pretty much be, "this is what we want" now take care of it?

Me thinks Barker wants to stay in the ACC

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We do Chicken right...it's not just for frying anymore!


How often does the BOT get together to discuss rumors?


May 23, 2012, 12:15 PM

Clearly much more to this.

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This is like the HC at one school who all-but-swears....


May 23, 2012, 12:16 PM

that he's had no contact with any other schools only to announce the next day that he's accepted another school's HC job.

There's no telling what may come out of this meeting - only time will tell - no use getting worked up about it now.

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They are doing one of two things...either voting to leave


May 23, 2012, 12:16 PM

the ACC and "seek" membership in the Big12, OR they will give TDP and Barker a vote of confidence to make the decision.

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Re: They are doing one of two things...either voting to leave


May 23, 2012, 12:24 PM

i feel it will be the latter rather than the former. no BOT is going to say "we are out of the ACC" without having a conference to go to.

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Duh...that is why I stated "seek" rather than seek.


May 23, 2012, 12:26 PM

But you cannot join until you leave....

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Re: They are doing one of two things...either voting to leave


May 23, 2012, 9:19 PM [ in reply to They are doing one of two things...either voting to leave ]

god help us if that's the case.

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Re: Front Page Story: Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future


May 23, 2012, 12:17 PM

Again, they are saying all the right things to try and make it sound like nothing is going on. But there's a lot more to this story than we are being told.

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^^^Someone is on their "A" game^^^^^^^^^^^


May 23, 2012, 3:32 PM

;)

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Will Tiger Talk air it?


May 23, 2012, 12:20 PM

Might be some good ratings.

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Re: Front Page Story: Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future


May 23, 2012, 12:34 PM

Thought they would wait for the report by the new planning committee scheduled to re-meet in June.

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I think they put TDP out front to partly inform the fans...


May 23, 2012, 12:45 PM

of Clemson's desire to address the entire situation.

Evidently, he was just too ambiguous. He made no statement supporting the ACC but still some folks just refuse to see what is happening.

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Re: I think they put TDP out front to partly inform the fans...


May 23, 2012, 12:55 PM

Good point.

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This will be our last year of ACC football.


May 23, 2012, 12:36 PM

We going to the Big 12 :)

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That or the ACC rolls over and lets us keep some of the...


May 23, 2012, 12:47 PM

money we earn. I know just how Texas fans felt when they provided so much for the deadbeats in their conference.

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Let's not get carried away


May 23, 2012, 3:14 PM

Not sure we bring what Texas brings.

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I wouldn't be surprised at all if the ratio wasn't somewhere


May 23, 2012, 3:18 PM

reasonably close. I know it was back during the eighties.

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Re: Let's not get carried away


May 23, 2012, 9:29 PM [ in reply to Let's not get carried away ]

Big time competition, which is just what we need. We don't have a big-time coach---love Dabo as I do as a great individual, he's won't get it done here. This a top 15 program. He is not anywhere a top 15 coach. What other top program would hire him? None. It is what it is.

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No they are nolonger discussing rumors.


May 23, 2012, 12:52 PM

I honestly (like that matters here) believe that they are voting on the move.

The only thing I'm wondering about is the advisory board's report. Have they had time to do a comprehensive evaluation or not?

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Thursday night...


May 23, 2012, 12:55 PM

Cory Fravel ?@CoryFravel
Thursday night the Clemson BOT meets.

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Re: No they are nolonger discussing rumors.


May 23, 2012, 12:57 PM [ in reply to No they are nolonger discussing rumors. ]

Not enough time for such a major decision IMO. They had an organizational meeting and have a meeting scheduled in June. They may have an opinion but the taking of the pulse it was to achieve just got accelerated it appears

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I think "yes" - advisory board was formed in January***


May 23, 2012, 2:21 PM [ in reply to No they are nolonger discussing rumors. ]



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Re: No they are nolonger discussing rumors.


May 23, 2012, 7:05 PM [ in reply to No they are nolonger discussing rumors. ]

They had that before B12 and SEC made their announcement last Friday about their deal.

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Re: Talk about a hot seat When does Swofford resign


May 23, 2012, 1:01 PM

The only way Swofford stays through this is Plylers possible image of the ACC in 2014
Mickey Plyler's Bog on the rumors ends as follows

Most of this is still a long shot but it is possible that Clemson, FSU, Georgia Tech and Miami head to Big 12, Virginia Tech and NC State head to SEC and Notre Dame does not join the ACC.

The Potential ACC in 2014:
Duke
Wake Forest
North Carolina
Virginia
Maryland
Boston College
Pittsburgh
UConn
Rutgers
Syracuse

Its a real possibility.

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VERY REAL. Kinda what I'm thinking. BIG12 should go for VT &***


May 23, 2012, 2:31 PM



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Re: Talk about a hot seat When does Swofford resign


May 23, 2012, 3:18 PM [ in reply to Re: Talk about a hot seat When does Swofford resign ]

Not sure SEC will go to 16 that quick. I think they will test the waters with 14 for few years unless there is a stampede by other conferences.

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Re: Talk about a hot seat When does Swofford resign


May 23, 2012, 7:09 PM [ in reply to Re: Talk about a hot seat When does Swofford resign ]

So will they get back to 12 teams. Not that I care if they are left with only Two teams. UNCheat and Puke!!!

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And so it begins...


May 23, 2012, 1:01 PM

...the "official" process that is

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Re: And so it begins...


May 23, 2012, 1:08 PM

Wouldnt be surprised if what comes out of this is the official declaration to explore options.

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Re: And so it begins...


May 23, 2012, 9:35 PM

Wish we could go to the SEC, but I guess that's no longer an option. The ACC is now basically a laughing stock.

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Hmmmmm. If my math is correct


May 23, 2012, 1:16 PM

82-16 = 66

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The reality sets in, we are stuck with acc, no way out***


May 23, 2012, 1:20 PM



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Re: The reality sets in, we are stuck with acc, no way out***


May 23, 2012, 1:43 PM

coot

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Re: The reality sets in, we are stuck with acc, no way out***


May 23, 2012, 7:11 PM [ in reply to The reality sets in, we are stuck with acc, no way out*** ]

C O O T

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Re: The reality sets in, we are stuck with acc, no way out***


May 23, 2012, 9:37 PM

BS.

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Another great job reporting by David Hood.***


May 23, 2012, 1:26 PM



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AKA Woodshed***


May 23, 2012, 1:26 PM



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Ummmmmmm***


May 23, 2012, 1:34 PM



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Terry Don Phillips & Mark Packer dismissing Rumors


May 23, 2012, 1:59 PM

Phillips dismisses Big 12 rumors

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7:28 PM, May 22, 2012

During a national radio interview this afternoon, Clemson athletic director Terry Don Phillips dismissed rumors that his department is planning a move to the Big 12 Conference.

Various Internet reports have speculated that Clemson and Florida State would leave the Atlantic Coast Conference to join the Big 12.

While appearing on Sirius/XM’s “College Sports Today? with Mark Packer, Phillips asserted that he has had no contact with the Big 12.

Clemson’s last conference move was in 1953, when it left the Southern Conference with six other schools to form the ACC.

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The Infamous....


May 23, 2012, 2:08 PM

Vote of Confidence

to TDP and Pres. JB:

I usually wouldn't bet on this, but I have a $2.00 bill with a Paw on it that sez someone falls off the fence by 5:00pm Friday

Jus' sayin'

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if that is the case though..


May 23, 2012, 2:09 PM [ in reply to Terry Don Phillips & Mark Packer dismissing Rumors ]

why not just email the board saying they are nothing but romors..if there is no truth to them then there is no need for a meeting to discuss them

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May 23, 2012, 3:50 PM [ in reply to Terry Don Phillips & Mark Packer dismissing Rumors ]

The key word being "he". Doesn't say nobody has contacted the Big 12.

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Now this feels like big news


May 23, 2012, 2:18 PM

and a sure sign that SOMETHING is or has happened. If this was just an update, Barker or TDP would just call the Board members individually. Boards don't usually meet just for information or advisement. They meet for action items.

If I recall correctly, the TAMU and Mizzou Boards met to give the AD's the power to make the decision. Then it was basically "rubber stamp."

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Re: Now this feels like big news


May 23, 2012, 7:15 PM

The big question now is, do we have a B12 rubber stamp. Or do Clemson have to order one:)

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Re: Now this feels like big news


May 24, 2012, 1:15 AM

Some places offer stamps made while you wait.
:)

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Wilkins has painted himself in an interesting corner


May 23, 2012, 2:24 PM

This is now the second time he has publicly stated that Clemson has had no direct or indirect discussions with or about the Big 12 - to his knowledge. He implies that as far as he knows nobody working at Clemson or anyone hired by someone working for Clemson has had any talks with the Big 12/Big 12 reps.

So, if there have been talks - then what is the Chairman doing? Which of his employees is running around talking/negotiating something as significant as changing conference affiliation and he is completely ignorant of it going on. This is not the "Steinbrenner" that Micky's puff piece blog makes him Wilkins out to be.

Or maybe Wilkins knows completely what is going on, and he can't bring himself to say "no comment." So does Wilkins not have control of his employees or is he a bald face liar. Either way - his credibility is shot.

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Or ... discussions have been with someone close


May 23, 2012, 2:26 PM

but not the Big XII.

Perhaps through TCU, which technically isn't a member yet. they might be a clearing house for contacts, which would explain their AD's statement this morning.

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Even if it is TCU - I think that would considered


May 23, 2012, 2:29 PM

indirect contact, which Wilkins claims we have not had.

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Re: Or ... discussions have been with someone close


May 23, 2012, 7:13 PM [ in reply to Or ... discussions have been with someone close ]

Good point Rev. Somebody sure has for this to force a meeting because it was not just Hood Article

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Re: Or ... discussions have been with someone close


May 23, 2012, 7:29 PM [ in reply to Or ... discussions have been with someone close ]

Rev, what statement was that ?

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Board members wouldn't know those kinds of conversations


May 23, 2012, 3:17 PM [ in reply to Wilkins has painted himself in an interesting corner ]

those would be operational in nature. Good Boards don't get into the day to day management. By the time something gets to the Board as an action item, it has been vetted.

It is very common for the Board to not directly know about these types of things prior to a formal meeting. And most good Boards want it that way.

Boards don't have "employees" in the organization they advise.

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Boards are responsible for the organization, the board


May 23, 2012, 3:39 PM

hires the president, the board approves the hiring of the AD. Being fairly familiar with how private company boards and large non-profit boards (although not university boards) the board chairman is kept in the loop on something this big - the whole board may not know, but the chairman does. I stand by my statement. If there have been talks and Wilkins has not been advised, then he has a problem with his direct report - the president of the university. If he does know, then he is just lying like is all too common. Not saying that he would or should know all the details. But he should know that someone is at least "in contact."

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I report to a Board


May 23, 2012, 3:47 PM

and there are numerous things that the Board and specifically my Chairman don't know the details of until we bring it to them. Sure sometimes its a "wink-wink" agreement for us to explore certain options, but its best to keep the Board out of these kinds of details until you are ready to publicly present it.

The Chairman obviously knows we are exploring all options because of the creation of that Advisory Board. But whether anyone has "actually made contact" would be beyond what he should know until it is presented.

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Sure, for the organizations I serve on the board of there


May 23, 2012, 4:04 PM

are many, many small operational items that the board doesn't get involved in. There are even things I don't know about until I get the meeting or the email with the reports to be presented. There are even major things that the rank and file board members don't know about until the meeting. But, normally the board executive committee is in the loop on major issues - at least the outline and setting policy.

But a change in conference affiliation is so significant the chairman should at least know if "contact has been made" if all these "rumors" have the deal being ready for the signing. Again that is the threshold Wilkins has set. Mere knowledge of contact being made.

If nothing else, when the Chairman called the meeting, he would have to ask the question - "any contact?" unless he is trying to be intentionally ignorant, which is pretty unprofessional in my book (even for the President of the United States). I have ethics issues with this culture of "intentional ignorance." Seems pretty darn close to negligence in my book.

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I guess we have a difference of opinion on "contact"


May 23, 2012, 4:25 PM

there are many reasons, legal and otherwise, to keep Directors/Trustees out of those types of actions. Primarily, you don't want the Board to get sued in a situation like this if they have prior knowledge of contacts and negiotations. Especially if there is an unofficial alliance between organizatiosn like Clemson and FSU.

I'm 100% sure he knows if we are in the exploratory stage which can mean a whole lot of things. But whether or not anyone at Clemson had any "contact" with anyone that could represent the B12 is beyond what i would be comfortable telling my Board Chairman..especially if they already gave me the approval to explore such options. Its not intentionally ignorant, is seperation of duties between a Board and a staff.

But the "any contact" question should be the first thing brought up to the Board at the meeting. If after Thursday he still "isn't aware" then I'll agree with you.

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Just a followup - you indicated "advise" with respect to a


May 23, 2012, 3:49 PM [ in reply to Boards are responsible for the organization, the board ]

boards relationship to their organization. If the Clemson Board of Trustees really is merely an advisory board and is not the organization charged with fiducary responsibility to the school, then sure. They are merely advisory and fundraiers, and what they think really doesn't legally mean anything since they have no authority. No need to get them involved until the deal is done - and even then it is just a courtesy since even if they vote it down, it is merely a non-authoritative advisory board vote.

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I meant more like give direction on strategy


May 23, 2012, 4:27 PM

not purely an advisory role with no authority. Clemson may have other ceremonial boards with no real authority but I doubt this one is.

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Re: Wilkins has painted himself in an interesting corner


May 23, 2012, 3:39 PM [ in reply to Wilkins has painted himself in an interesting corner ]

The committee organized to study the future of Clemson athletics could be "just doing its due diligence"

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He can't come out and say what they are doing


May 23, 2012, 8:49 PM [ in reply to Wilkins has painted himself in an interesting corner ]

He knows. These people didn't get into their positions being stupid or unaware of what the people in their employee are doing.

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Re: He can't come out and say what they are doing


May 23, 2012, 8:52 PM

we all know that... but I just hope that the admin and BOT have the guts to get out of the ACC

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Re: He can't come out and say what they are doing


May 23, 2012, 10:13 PM

In all these discussion, it seems to be an accepted assumption that Clemson is a football power. Really?
Barely beat Wofford, which had escaped by the skin of their teeth week before from that perennial power Prespreterian College. Barely escaped being defeated by Wake Forest. Crushed by a mediocre N.C. State team; barely beat an awful Maryland team. And then sustained the most humiliating defeat in Clemson history in the Orange Bowl. Maybe I'm missing something, but who would
want us? Maybe the Southern Conference?

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Or maybe this is all a curveball being thrown......


May 23, 2012, 9:43 PM [ in reply to Wilkins has painted himself in an interesting corner ]

and the negotiations are with the SEC. Think about it... put Clemson/FSU in the EAST and TAMU/Missouri in the WEST. No travel issues and rivalries still intact, problem solved.

Go Tigers!

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Re: Front Page Story: Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future


May 23, 2012, 2:46 PM

How does the "Advisory Board" that was setup a while back fit into all this? IS this board doing the legwork so that the AD/Pres & BOT can claim ignorance? LOL... I'm subscribing to the "where there is smoke, there is fire" line of thinking here. Maybe the advisory board is in talks with the TCU & WVU people (Oliver Luck maybe) and coordinating this whole thing, so there are 3-4 degrees of seperation for each side. Since TCU and WVU aren't BIG 12 members yet, plausible deniability is there.

BOOM!

That's my take.

-ZA

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As someone who has seen Wilkins work first hand


May 23, 2012, 2:50 PM

I feel good about him doing what's right for Clemson. He's a man of action

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Re: Front Page Story: Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future


May 23, 2012, 2:58 PM

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My Niece Helen Turner Hill is Advisory Board Member, BUT


May 23, 2012, 3:24 PM

I wouldn't dare contact her to see what's going on from her side..and she wouldn't tell me anything anyway..but it would be nice to know!

Go TiGERs!

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Re: My Niece Helen Turner Hill is Advisory Board Member, BUT


May 23, 2012, 3:40 PM

But she said what ;)
We would not tell anyone

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Re: Front Page Story: Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future


May 23, 2012, 3:50 PM

lets hope our BOT realize the ACC is never going to be
a football conf. Hopefully, they will move us to the big 12!

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Re: Front Page Story: Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future


May 23, 2012, 10:17 PM

Great, if we can learn to play big-time football. Not with this coach.

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Should I be as nervous as I feel right now?


May 23, 2012, 4:54 PM

Why do I feel like we're going to hitch our wagon to a dying ACC. Clearly Swofford tried to make us a football conference by adding FSU, VT, and UM but that failed. It's time to read the writing on the wall and move on to greener pastures. Last time I checked there's no grass on a basketball court.

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I'm with you, especially if FSU takes off and we're not up


May 23, 2012, 5:04 PM

to speed, if not in front of them, with regards to their possible conference movement. It is absolutely vital that CU be proactive with their movement, just as Swoffy was in bringing two more BASKETBALL schools into the ACC.

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Re: Front Page Story: Clemson BOT to meet Thursday, discuss rumors of realignment and future


May 24, 2012, 12:52 AM

The ACC will remain as is with the addition of two football colleges. If one is ND, we will no longer be called the ACC unless we have a really big tsunami.

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Re: Notre Dame


May 24, 2012, 10:08 AM

Notre Dame announced yesterday it wants to stay Indenendnet and not join a conference.

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Re: Notre Dame


May 24, 2012, 10:20 AM

Could you post the link please. That should be an interesting read.

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