Topic: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown
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Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:18 PM

A breakdown of who recruited the best out of every state. Of course Clemson won SC


Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:50 AM

i dont have the numbers around but i am sure yall won 5 out of the last 7. what good has that done?

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 5:39 AM

you ever hear of the saying "three strikes and you're out",well the run is over this November in the valley,and our domination over usuc will increase at the level it historically always has.

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Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown (cocky1982)

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 5:45 AM

Ok good question lets see over the last 7 years since thats the # you refered to (2005--2011)
2009 ACC Atlantic Division Champion
2011 ACC Atlantic Division Champion
2011 ACC Champions
2011 Dabo Coach of the year
3 & 4 over the coots last 7 years
10 & 5 over the coots 1997-2011 with a 3 win and a 4 win run
11/26 @ South Carolina (11-2) L 13 34
11/27/2010 vs. South Carolina (9-5) L 7 29
11/28/2009 @ South Carolina (7-6) L 17 34
11/29/2008 vs. South Carolina (7-6) W 31 14
11/24/2007 @ South Carolina (6-6) W 23 21
11/25/2006 vs. South Carolina (8-5) L 28 31
11/19/2005 @ South Carolina (7-5) W 13 9
11/20/2004 vs. South Carolina (6-5) W 29 7
11/22/2003 @ South Carolina (5-7) W 63 17
11/23/2002 vs. South Carolina (5-7) W 27 20
11/17/2001 @ South Carolina (9-3) L 15 20
11/18/2000 vs. South Carolina (8-4) W 16 14
11/20/1999 @ South Carolina (0-11) W 31 21
11/21/1998 vs. South Carolina (1-10) W 28 19
11/22/1997 @ South Carolina (5-6) W 47 21

2005 8 & 4
2006 8 & 5
2007 9 & 4
2008 7 & 6
2009 9 & 5
2010 6 & 7
2011 10 & 4
with 7 Bowl Games

Tigers 1997-2004
2004 6 & 5
2003 9 & 4
2002 7 & 6
2001 7 & 5
2000 9 & 3
1999 6 & 6
1998 3 & 8
1997 7 & 5
with 6 Bowl Games

Oh and NO NCAA probations during these years

now love for you to post about the coots during these years

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown (cocky1982)

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 8:24 AM

The true measure of a program is where it finishes nationally in the polls. In 2010, Carolina finished #22 in the nation. In 2011, Carolina finished #8 in the nation. clemson has a good football program. But, so does Carolina.

The Tarheels?

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 9:49 AM

They weren't ranked to end the season.

That's highly debatable...***

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:19 AM

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 7:10 AM

Winning individual years doesn't matter in recruiting. It is the cumulative effect over time. Saying 5 of the last 7 conveniently leaves out our sub Top 50, 11th in the ACC classes of 2003 and 2004. Those players were a part of the program until 2008. Then, lets compare 2009:

South Carolina - 29 Recruits #12 in the Nation
Clemson - 12 Recruits #37 in the Nation

These are the kids that went up against each other as Juniors last year. We should not have lost to you in 2009. Since then, you have had a significant upper hand in talent. Your class average is stronger and you have signed 20 more players in that time. The gap is closing however. And we have home field advantage this year.

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 8:27 AM

Clemson had the home field advantage in 2010 also. But with the players we have returning, I like Carolina's chances in 2012.

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 9:44 AM

I feel like the talent/depth gap between USC/Clemson created in the 2009 recruiting class really kicked in 2010. We had a ton of great senior talent in 2009 which is worth more than freshman talent. But, in 2010 you have almost no one pushing the senior talent. The 2010 freshman were almost all redshirted and the sophomores who came in 2009 were not significant enough in numbers to push the juniors and seniors. The last three years have closed the gap significantly but until we graduate this years' class, South Carolina is still ahead of us by a class year. However, if you take a 5 year average of the rivals rankings Clemson will pull ahead of Carolina for the first time in 5 years in 2012.

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM

Games are won at the line of scrimmage. Carolina will have a huge advantage at the lines of scrimmage in 2012.

You have to recruit to have a line on the LOS...just sayin'***

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:21 AM

Re: You have to recruit to have a line on the LOS...just sayin'***

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:43 PM

No offense, but they listed ECU in SC. I am not sure how reliable that information is....

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:45 AM

I'm not sure huge is the appropriate adjective.

You are losing 2 seniors from your starting offense and 2 seniors from your starting defense. Of the 9 starting lineman you lose 4. Of the 5 remaining, 3 were true or redshirt freshman. You will only be returning 2 upperclassmen to your offensive and defensive lines combined next year. If you want to add Clowney, which I think is fair since he is a monster, only 1/3 of your line next year will be upperclassmen with starting experience.

Clemson is losing 3 seniors on offense and 3 seniors on defense. But we will be returning the exact same numbers of experienced upperclassmen on the line - 3. Clemson will be relying heavily on redshirt and true sophomores next year. To assume an advantage is a little premature. You had excellent line play in 2011 with 2 true freshman and 1 redshirt freshman in your lineup.

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:27 AM

We have the edge . No doubt about that.

We have 3 starters returning on the OL. 2 of them were Freshmen All-Americans. A 3rd made the Remington Watch List. A 4th player has starting experience. In contrast, Clemson returns 2 starters, plus lost their top reserve.

On the defensive line, we return 2 starters, one who almost left early for the NFL. The other starter, made freshman All-American. A 3rd player, Clowney, made freshman All-American. You lose 3 starters, plus your top reserve.

In the past 3 recruiting classes counting the most recent, we have recruited 3 DL who were rated 4 stars or better by all 4 (247, Scout, Rivals and ESPN) recruiting services. Clemson has recruited only one DL with that distinction. On the offensive line, Carolina has recruited 4 OL who were unanimous 4 stars or better. Clemson has not recruited any.

So, Carolina has the edge... a big one, in my opinion, looking at both experience and talent. One thing is indisputable: games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage.

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 2:04 PM

I can't believe I'm going to get sucked this far into it, but here we go. I don't like pure conjecture and that is what you are doing. "Huge advantage" and "big" disparity at the line is ridiculous when neither team has gone through spring training yet. As much as it pains me, South Carolina has excellent depth and as long as they are able to continue to sign roughly 125 players every 5 years to fill 85 slots then that is going to remain the case. You redshirted 21 players last year if the talk radio folks are right. You're in no danger of being bad anytime soon. But Clemson doesn't need to hang it's head about the offensive and defensive lines this year. While we're losing some veterans it was largely a rag tag bunch. But here is an honest head to head look at next years line play and my opinion of the matchup:

LT - Brandon Thomas v. Mike Matulius (slight edge Clemson)
LG - Tyler Shatley v AJ Cann (push)
C - Dalton Freeman v. TJ Johnson (edge to Clemson)
RG - unfilled v. Ronald Patrick (edge Carolina - Patrick saw limited action, Clemson will be picking from 1 of 3 3* redshirt players or a true freshman to fill this spot)
RT - Gifford Timothy v. Cody Gibson (slight edge Carolina)

DE - Malliciah Goodman v. Devin Taylor (push)
DT - unfilled v. Jerideau (edge Carolina)
DT - Deshawn Williams v. Quarles (push)
DE - Corey Crawford v. Clowney (edge Carolina)

Carolina's defense returns 46 games experience with 19 starts and 111 tackles from 2011. Clemson will return 39 games experience with 14 starts and 100 tackles. Neither includes bowl games. Again, not the dramatic difference everyone seems to think.

While I concede you go into spring training with an edge on the line it is not the monstrous gap you and even some Clemson fans seem to believe. And one injury or one breakout freshman/redshirt season could either flip the tables or put Clemson in a serious hole.

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 2:36 PM

You lost me when you gave Brandon Thomas the edge over Mike Matulis. I'll just say this: I like very much the blend of experience and talent we have coming back. Our offensive line recruiting has been rated very high by both Scout and Rivals the last 3 recruiting campaigns. The blend of talent and experience we have coming back on the defensive line is indisputable (just replay the Carolina-clemson game).

When you compare experience returning on each team's defense, that's one thing. When you leave out the defensive results of Carolina's defense finishing high in the rankings whereas clemsoon's finished poorly, then the whole story is not being told.

I like the advantage we have on both lines of scrimmage. Therefore, I like our chances when we meet up again in around 10 months.

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:05 AM

going by that logic,we should never lose in cola.,we were undefeated in the valley last year.beating fsu and auburn amongst others.

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:30 AM

clemson didn't have the players to beat Carolina in Columbia last year.

Re: Interesting Recruiting Breakdown

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 6:55 PM

well,we've upped the ante.seeing as how y'all are in trouble with the ncaa,we decided to play by the rules and just use honesty,integrity,and an excellent educational opportunity to get some players.

Well said viz...well said.***

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:26 AM

Over time it done this: 65-40-4***

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 8:11 AM

The Coots have had runs like this before. They never last. Spurrier is sparking this current run, and he's approaching 70 years of age.

Isn't JC Shurburtt a big coot?

Posted: Feb 3, 2012 8:24 AM

I may be wrong , but I was thinking he's the guy that always sounds like he's slobbering on himself whenever he talks to or about steve superrear.

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