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Topic: Today. 9th inning,man on 2nd no outs and AGAIN he chooses not to bunt in a 1 run game
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Today. 9th inning,man on 2nd no outs and AGAIN he chooses not to bunt in a 1 run game

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Posted: Mar 7, 2021, 5:12 PM
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It’s a disgrace. Lee has cost this team 3 of their 4 losses this season simply because he refused to bunt.

You can get mad at that... but you can’t argue it because it’s a fact.

Losing faith in Lee.

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Posted: Mar 7, 2021, 5:18 PM
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He has a knack for losing by one run.

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Posted: Mar 7, 2021, 5:23 PM
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Maybe the team just can’t bunt

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Posted: Mar 7, 2021, 5:31 PM
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They can’t hit either.

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And who is responsible for teaching this team how to bunt?

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Posted: Mar 7, 2021, 5:31 PM
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Never will get back to Omaha without learning how to play small ball against good pitching.
No clue how to run bases either. That has probably cost 3 losses so far.

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It was a 2 strike count when Teodosio got to second

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Posted: Mar 7, 2021, 5:29 PM
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No way you bunt with two strikes!

Plus, I don't like bunting there anyway. There are too many ways to get the runner over without a bunt, while still trying to get a hit. A ground ball to the right side. A dribbler. A deep flyball to right (as what happened next out). Also, you're not guaranteed to even get a good bunt down. Hitting away and trying to go to right is the way to go there.

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Re: It was a 2 strike count when Teodosio got to second

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Posted: Mar 7, 2021, 5:49 PM
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Yep. Just like they did and we snagged the runner out at 3rd. Granted, most of the time you get a bunt you do move them over but as you said, he had 2 strikes.

Upsets me more that they can't seem to adjust to the offspeed pitch... But give ND credit, their pitchers kept our young hitters off balance.

Not a fan of Sharpe DH though.

We keep pitching like we are, we'll win more than not.

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Re: It was a 2 strike count when Teodosio got to second

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Posted: Mar 8, 2021, 7:41 AM
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There are adjustments a hitter can make to increase his chances to hit to the opposite field! Lee isn’t aware of this

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It’s a disgrace. Lee has cost this team 3 of their 4 losses this season simply because he refused to bunt.

You can get mad at that... but you can’t argue it because it’s a fact.

Losing faith in Lee.




Lee's rationale in the postgame press conference was a travel curfew making that the last half-inning regardless and he didn't want to play for one run/the tie.

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Posted: Mar 7, 2021, 6:00 PM
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Are you serious, Clark? He really said that?

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Posted: Mar 8, 2021, 5:16 PM
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Yes. He definitely said that and didn't mince words. Had already been decided B9 was it... They were not playing another inning. Why the game was moved up to noon.

He went on to say he probably would have bunted had that not been the case. I wish the writers would have asked if he had the hit/run on or was Teo just trying to steal??? Also would have asked him if Reagan hadn't swung to get 2 strikes, would he have bunted him to 3rd.

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Posted: Mar 8, 2021, 8:19 AM
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If that is his rationale for not trying, that says all I need to know.

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If the runner had seen the wild pitch he would have already been on 2nd


Posted: Mar 8, 2021, 9:08 AM
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When Teodosio hit his double and tied the game instead of ending up on 3rd. Not suggesting he should have seen it, only that he didnt see it.

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On those occasions that we HAVE attempted to bunt so far

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Posted: Mar 8, 2021, 9:15 AM
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this season, we proved to be absolutely woeful at it. So, since Monte obviously can't coach this skill, and you and a whole lot of other TNet Coaches on here are so good at it, please offer your services as a bunting coach for the team. Otherwise, leave the coaching to those who get paid to do it.

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Posted: Mar 8, 2021, 5:22 PM
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Agree. Interesting that wccp had Lecroy on last week and the discussion was about bunting. Said unfortunately bunting isn't being taught at any level... Not that it isn't practiced, it is. Just not the priority it once was. Pete Rose and them guys could bunt with the best of em.

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Posted: Mar 9, 2021, 2:18 PM
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The kids that make it to college rosters are ones who can hit for power.

Kids that can hit with power can't necessarily bunt and probably know it has no value to their career.

Until the coach puts a 5'10" coordinated athlete on the roster who can bunt this will be a problem and that will never happen because it isn't valued.

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Posted: Mar 8, 2021, 1:02 PM
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Lee unfortunately still in learning mode Jack a much better coach but hoping Lee going to be a better recruiter Jack was having trouble recruiting last few years as Ray tanner was getting who Jack wanted

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Wasn’t the Freshman Regan Reid the batter . . .

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Posted: Mar 8, 2021, 4:51 PM
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in that situation . . . and didn’t he move the runner to third with a ground out . . . effectively the same as a bunt . . .

I understand your point, but the results were the same . . .

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Posted: Mar 8, 2021, 5:06 PM
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Actually Reagan was the batter and unfortunately he swung at the ball that got away... Way out of the strike zone. Bob summized the hit and run was on as Two was going anyway. But I get it Reagan was swinging to protect the runner.

But no, he unfortunately ended up striking out. Urban then came up and almost won the game. Teo tagged and took 3rd.

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Posted: Mar 8, 2021, 5:19 PM
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Someone said there was a travel curfew? That’s odd??? But it actually could explain why Lee played to win rather than tie. When on the road and bathing in the top of the 9th try to win. When at home and batting in the bottom tie the game. Essentially Lee was treating it like a top of the 9th situation. Of course I’m guessing only from reading this thread.

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Posted: Mar 9, 2021, 2:51 PM
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Sounded like Lee was just using the travel curfew as a bull #### excuse.

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This is not specific to this particular game at all, but i


Posted: Mar 9, 2021, 11:43 AM
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feel like there are some faulty assumptions made by the pro-bunt crowd.

Sac bunt success seems to be taken for granted, but a successful sac bunt is far from a given. I doubt you can find good college baseball data anywhere, but MLB data shows that sac bunts are only successful 70-80% of the time. Let's just call it 75% for simplicity and assume that it's fairly similar in college ball. So a quarter of the time you are giving away an out for nothing and that is certainly relevant and should not be overlooked.

Alternatively, when you choose to let the batter swing you still have a chance at a sac fly / sac ground ball while also having a chance to get a base hit. There are obviously bad outcomes too, and they are probably more likely to occur than the 25% chance of a failed sac bunt, but some of the good outcomes are much, much better than the good outcome of a sac bunt. Any base hit with a runner on 2nd has a good chance of driving in a run.

I'm not saying there aren't situations where a bunt is correct, but i think there are far more where the bunt is incorrect. There's a reason sac bunts are very rare in the MLBs these says - analytics have proven that it actually lowers run expectancy in pretty much all situations.

The best case scenario for a sac bunt is in the bottom frame of a tie game where scoring exactly 1 run is all that matters. In any situation where the possibility of scoring more than one run is still relevant, the sac bunt has been proven to be counter-productive.

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