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The "media" ACC narrative vs the facts...
Oct 20, 2019, 11:38 AM
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Based on the extreme negativity towards the ACC from most of the sports media, I decided to see if anything stands out regarding the ACC vs other Power 5 conferences. The most obvious stat to compare is the number of winning teams and losing teams. So... here are the rankings of the conferences based on percentage of winning and losing teams:
All games played: Overall Number of Winning Teams (most to least): 1. PAC 12 T2. ACC T2. Big 10 4. Big 12 5. SEC
Overall Number of Losing Teams (most to least): 1. SEC T2. Big 10 T2. ACC 4. PAC 12 5. Big 12
Same Stats for non-conference games only: Overall Number of Winning Teams (most to least): 1. Big 12 2. Big 10 T3. ACC T3. SEC 5. PAC 12
Overall Number of Losing Teams (most to least): 1. PAC 12 2. SEC 3. ACC 4. Big 10 5. Big 12
Based on these stats, I think the criticism of the ACC is unwarranted. The facts bear out that in both all games played and non-conference games, the ACC is an upper tier to middle of the pack kind of conference. What does come out is that the SEC is way over-valued and hyped. Half of their teams (7 teams) have overall losing records and the SEC has the second most losing teams in non-conference play when compared to the other Power 5 conferences.
Nothing in the number of winning and losing teams should account for why the media is so negative on the ACC.
So after looking at this I dug even further to see if there was another reason the ACC gets such a bad wrap and I believe I have found it. In strictly Power 5 vs Power 5 out of conference games, the ACC is absolutely abysmal. Here are the wins and loss records for Power 5 vs Power 5 out of conference matchups:
ACC: 11 games played; 3 wins, 8 losses Big 12: 9 games played; 5 wins, 4 Losses Big 10: 8 games played; 4 wins, 4 losses PAC 12: 9 games played: 5 wins, 4 losses SEC: 11 games played; 6 wins, 5 losses
At the end of the day, I think this is what the media is consciously or sub-consciously considering when they are trashing the ACC. At the end of the day, the ACC has got to do a better job in the out of conference Power 5 games.
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So the other conference's losses were to non-P5s...? I see..***
Oct 20, 2019, 11:44 AM
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Re: The "media" ACC narrative vs the facts...
Oct 20, 2019, 12:11 PM
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Will be interested to see the numbers after all games.
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Re: The "media" ACC narrative vs the facts...
Oct 20, 2019, 12:12 PM
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Thanks. Good job researching this,.
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It's actually very simple .....
Oct 20, 2019, 4:44 PM
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Think about how many teams there are in each Power 5 Conference that we could all agree are Top 20. I don't mean playoff contenders, but just good ole Top 20 teams.
SEC : Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia, and probably Auburn Big Ten : Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin (and hell no, not Michigan) Big Twelve : Oklahoma, Texas, Baylor Pac 12 : Oregon, Washington ACC : Clemson ...... crickets.
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Hmmm... what do you think about all the 5-2 teams in
Oct 20, 2019, 5:27 PM
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the AP top 25?
15. Texas 19. Michigan 20. Iowa 23. Iowa State 24. Arizona State
Do you think Pitt (5-2) or Virginia (5-2) could beat any or all of these teams? I do...
Iowa, Iowa State, and Michigan are all in a "do loop" with the AP rankings - they all lost or beat one another while "ranked" which is used as justification to keep them in the rankings over other schools. Big 10 bias at its best.
Texas lost to LSU and Oklahoma and somehow this means something to the AP to justify their 15 ranking over other teams with better win records. If winning matters then what is Texas' best win? A barely above average Oklahoma State? Texas doesn't really have any better wins than Pitt or Virginia. What Texas does have is a huge fan base and lots of money and a willing media to buy into the Texas hype because of their fan base and money.
Back to Michigan, Iowa, or Iowa State - when have any of these teams beaten a ranked team that wasn't part of the AP "do loop" above? Say what you will, but Pitt has a better win than any of these teams - at least they beat an "AP ranked" (at the time) UCF.
While the ACC is not great - it is not the bottom dweller the media is touting. Ranking both Pitt and Virginia can be justified just as much as ranking Texas, Iowa, Iowa State, or Michigan but because the media is set on an "ACC=bad" narrative they don't get any benefit of the doubt or (in my opinion) proper consideration.
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Re: Hmmm... what do you think about all the 5-2 teams in
Oct 20, 2019, 5:45 PM
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Could Pitt or UVA win? Sure. Anything can happen. On a given day. In recent history we've lost to unranked Syracuse and Pitt teams.
I alao think the ACC is so bad 2nd from the top to bottom that over the course of a season any of those teams you list below would win ACC Coastal or finish 2nd in the Atlantic.
15. Texas 19. Michigan 20. Iowa 23. Iowa State 24. Arizona State
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