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The frustration with basketball in a nutshell...

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Posted: Feb 20, 2019 12:08 AM
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Here's why I as a Clemson fan get frustrated with basketball.

Clemson Basketball (charter ACC member)
NCAAT appearances: 11 (+1 vacated) -all of school history
NIT appearances: 16 - all of school history
Final 4s: 0
Elite 8s: 1
Sweet 16s: 3 (+1 vacated)
ACC titles: 0
ACC RS titles: 1
Only 1 recognized conference title in school history
Wins at Chapel Hill: 0

Georgia Tech (joined ACC 1979)
NCAAT: 15
NIT: 7
NCAA title game appearance: 1
NCAA Final 4s: 2
Elite 8s: 3
Sweet 16s: 6
ACC titles: 3
ACC RS titles: 2
Wins at Chapel Hill: 5

Florida State (joined ACC 1991)
NCAAT: 9
NIT: 7
Final 4s: 0
Elite 8s: 2
Sweet 16s: 4
ACC titles: 1
ACC RS titles: 0
Wins at Chapel Hill: 4

Miami (joined ACC 2004)
NCAAT: 5
NIT: 5
Final 4s: 0
Elite 8s: 0
Sweet 16s: 2
ACC titles: 1
ACC RS titles: 1
Wins at Chapel Hill: 4

Virginia Tech (joined ACC 2004)
NCAAT: 3
NIT: 6
Final 4s: 0
Elite 8s: 0
Sweet 16s: 0
ACC titles: 0
ACC RS titles: 0
Wins at Chapel Hill: 1

Boston College (joined ACC 2005)
NCAAT: 3
NIT: 2
Final 4s: 0
Elite 8s: 0
Sweet 16s: 1
ACC titles: 0
ACC RS titles: 0
Wins in Chapel Hill: 2

Notre Dame (joined ACC 2013)
NCAAT: 3
NIT: 1
Final 4s: 0
Elite 8s: 2
Sweet 16s: 2
ACC titles: 1
ACC RS titles: 0
Wins in Chapel Hill: 1

Syracuse (joined ACC 2013)
NCAAT: 3
NIT: 1
Final 4s: 1
Elite 8s: 1
Sweet 16s: 2
ACC titles: 0
ACC RS titles: 0
Wins in Chapel Hill: 0

Louisville (joined ACC 2014)
NCAAT: 1 (+1 vacated)
NIT: 1
Final 4s: 0
Elite 8s: 0 (1 vacated)
Sweet 16s: 0 (1 vacated)
ACC titles: 0
ACC RS titles: 0
Wins in Chapel Hill: 1

So let's forget about the rest of ACC charter members. Compared to the teams that joined the ACC since then, all of them have done something that Clemson hasn't done in not only the league's inception, but in school history. This is what drives me insane as a fan. Then when you see SC make the Final 4 or Wofford winning at Chapel Hill, it ramps it up even more. All I want to see is Clemson win at Chapel Hill. Win an ACC title. Have a year they can put it together and make a deep run in the NCAA tournament. I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation to have some measure of success on the hardwood. But for whatever reason, it seems like it has to be for coaches, players, administrators, and fans. These are the things that have made me grow apathetic to Clemson basketball and honestly to the sport in general.

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The frustrating thing is that last year was probably

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Posted: Feb 20, 2019 12:15 AM
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going to be our best team ever if Grantham hadn't gotten hurt. I honestly think it could've been a Final Four team. Still a great season obviously, one of our best in program history. But it could've been really special.

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"was probably going to be our best team ever"


Posted: Feb 20, 2019 12:32 AM
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Come on. Just stop.


Re: "was probably going to be our best team ever"

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Posted: Feb 20, 2019 12:36 AM
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Well, we were 15-3 with him and he was injured during the 16th win. So without him the team went 10-7.

Not far fetched to say the team could’ve finished with one of the best records in school history had he not gotten injured.

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Re: "was probably going to be our best team ever"

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Posted: Feb 20, 2019 12:46 AM
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I don't agree much with Judge about Brad but I'd say that team was at least top 3 based on record and NCAA results. Barnes' 96-97 team and Fosters' 79-80 team are the other 2 that I'd put up there. OP had some strong regular seasons but couldn't ever get anything done in the postseason.


There are only a few teams in our history you can argue

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Posted: Feb 20, 2019 10:25 PM
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were as good or better than last year's Sweet 16 team, and that was WITHOUT Grantham. We were 16-3 when he got injured. It's not far-fetched at all to believe that the addition of a player who is now in the NBA would've made a huge difference to that Sweet 16 team and allowed us to advance farther.

I personally think it could've been a Final Four team. I know you disagree, because you aren't able to say anything positive about Brownell and seem to be looking for reasons to criticize him and his tenure.

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That really was a good team and fun to watch


Posted: Feb 20, 2019 12:32 AM
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I feel like Brad won the lottery and lost it all within a year...starting when he missed out on Zion. That really would have put him on the recruiting map. I'm still hoping he can salvage this season but I'm not gonna hold my breath.


Agree


Posted: Feb 20, 2019 12:39 AM
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Definitely would have helped with Kansas. Grantham has already seen some NBA minutes.

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if we're gonna play if


Posted: Feb 20, 2019 11:53 PM
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76-77 team was 22-6
imagine IF skip wise was in his jr year on that team

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Don't hold your breath on chapel hill


Posted: Feb 20, 2019 10:47 PM
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Unless North Carolina has an epic collapse similar to the early 2000s, we never going to win there. There's never going to be a time where we have more talent than they do on the floor. and with the streak being as much publicity as it is, UNC will never let themselves play down. They will lose focus against other teams like Georgia Tech, Miami, Virginia Tech, Boston college, etc because if they lose to them, then it is ho hum and on with business as usual. But that game get so much focus.

The only way it ever has any sort of chance is with a very senior-laden team that is glued together against a relatively immature UNC team, similar to when we almost won with Booker

I do think we will win the ACC tournament at some point at least once though.


Here is your answer:


Posted: Feb 21, 2019 12:04 AM
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https://www.tigernet.com/forum/thread/Clemson-spends-far-less-on-basketball-than-just-about-anyone-1887552?tstart=0

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If that's a nutshell


Posted: Feb 21, 2019 7:50 AM
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what would be elaborate, for you?


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Posted: Feb 21, 2019 8:53 AM
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I agree. Thanks for the info without the bashing. I love everything Clemson. I don’t pretend to have the solution I only want continued improvement.

I encourage everyone to push for imptovement/ progress with out the negative rhetoric that comes across as personal towards individuals.


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