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TNET: Tommy Bowden on CFB rankings: "Clemson is in a no-win situation"

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 10:33 AM
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Tommy Bowden on CFB rankings: "Clemson is in a no-win situation"

Everybody is talking about Tuesday's College Football Playoff rankings that had a top-four of Ohio State, LSU, Alabama, and Penn State. Even former Clemson head Read Update »



Did he call Nick Saban for that opinion?

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 10:38 AM
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Re: Did he call Nick Saban for that opinion?

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 12:34 PM
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Haha

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Did he also say, "In any given week,

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 10:42 AM
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50% of all teams are in a no-win situation?"

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He certainly knows alot about "no-win situations"***

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Re: He certainly knows alot about "no-win situations"***

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 2:58 PM
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He should, he did a lot of that, no win the ACC!!!

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Tommy knows a lot about not winning...***

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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden on CFB rankings: "Clemson is in a no-win situation"

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 10:49 AM
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Did he list the ten or so schools ready to hire him? Has to eliminate those with artificial turf.

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acc is weak this year yet if he was coaching

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 10:52 AM
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he would have managed to have us at 5-4 at the moment


Re: acc is weak this year yet if he was coaching

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 11:00 AM
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We really have enough haters in this world. If you don't have something good to say, say nothing. Kind of lost in some generations due to anonymity of social media.


Re: acc is weak this year yet if he was coaching

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 3:01 PM
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So you can tell everybody what they should or shouldn't say/do, amen!!!

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Ok boomer***

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Who is this guy?

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 10:59 AM
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he related to Bobby?
What we do we care what a relative of Bobby Bowden has to say?

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Re: Who is this guy?

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 11:15 AM
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I think he coached at Clemson - Chapin.... amiriteboutdat?? And .... taught us all about half the teams lose on any Saturday .... and about being one play away ..... -<img border=">

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Re: Who is this guy?

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 11:19 AM
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And don’t forget...needing to “go back and getting things corrected” every week. The guy couldn’t coach his way through a freakin yard sale.


Re: Who is this guy?

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 3:06 PM
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Also that half the guys on the team not respecting him bc they learned that he was just talk that talked down to them bc he was the HC that didn't give respect but demanded respect!!!

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I'll take his word, Tommy was an expert on no-win situations***

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 11:11 AM
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He had an uncanny knack for manufacturing them out of

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 11:12 AM
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thin air


Re: He had an uncanny knack for manufacturing them out of

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 11:17 AM
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Indeed .... a master at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory !!

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 11:25 AM
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Sorry, I just got PTSD.


Without Tommy there is no Dabo at Clemson

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 12:08 PM
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Solid guy overall, just couldn't get us over the hump.

Makes winning all the more special now, going through those tough loses (and some great wins) along the way

Go Tigers!


Re: Without Tommy there is no Dabo at Clemson

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 12:25 PM
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Yes I agree, and much needed upgrades on facilities don't take place. Get tired of all the TB bashing.


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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 1:21 PM
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I agree. He was better than a lot of his predecessors. And he brought us Dabo. I believe that he recommended him to be his replacement. I'd take him over Holtz or Spurrier any day. He's an honest, Christian man. We owe a lot to him. Go Tigers.

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Re: Without Tommy there is no Dabo at Clemson

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 3:12 PM
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They paid him 3 and half Mil to go on talk shows with his negativity about what he didn't like about Clemson, how much more should he have been paid to just keep his mouth shut and just say, No Comment!!!

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Re: Without Tommy there is no Dabo at Clemson

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 1:22 PM
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I agree. He was better than a lot of his predecessors. And he brought us Dabo. I believe that he recommended him to be his replacement. I'd take him over Holtz or Spurrier any day. He's an honest, Christian man. We owe a lot to him. Go Tigers.

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Re: Without Tommy there is no Dabo at Clemson

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 3:16 PM
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I'm absolutely positive that when he brought Dabo to Clemson, he didn't have any plans of Dabo becoming the HC after he couldn't deal with a warning from the AD and just quit. They called it resigning, but quitting and resigning are one of the same!!!

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Re: Without Tommy there is no Dabo at Clemson

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 12:36 PM
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We always referred to him as No 10 Tommy. He could get you 8 maybe 9 wind but never 10.


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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 12:36 PM
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Wins. Not wind


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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 2:18 PM
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i read it as "wins"... haha.. anyway.. i liked tommy.. but, he wasn't respected in a fearful way like a true coach.. leader.. should be. good guy.. average coach. but, i think to be a great coach is hard.. look at the landscape of college football.. there are only a handful of truly great coaches out there.. at least PROVEN great coaches, anwyay.. and, we're lucky to have one of them.. and, a lot of that thanks goes directly to tommy bowden.


Re: Without Tommy there is no Dabo at Clemson

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 3:23 PM
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He brought Rob Spence to Clemson also, so I guess we should thank him for Rob Spence if we are to thank or praise him for Dabo, just saying!!!

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One thing about Tommy . . .

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 2:04 PM
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He could whip the coots . . . (7-2 in his 9 yr tenure)

By today's standards we'd be p??ssed with that record . . . My how times have changed?!!!

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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden on CFB rankings: "Clemson is in a no-win situation"

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 2:08 PM
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I hope that’s a misquote on the write up and he didn’t actually say “a close loss to North Carolina”. Ain’t got time to listen to his weak voice.

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These responses were really funny, but I will never

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 2:12 PM
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understand the contempt for Tommy Bowden on this board.

I don’t want to put a statue of him on campus, but the guy did pretty well here. Tommy West doesn’t get as much abuse and he was awful.

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Because Bowden was Fool's Gold and West was just a fool***

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Re: TNET: Tommy Bowden on CFB rankings: "Clemson is in a no-win situation"

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 2:25 PM
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Based on the comments by the committee chairman and the majority of the media, he's 100% correct.

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 2:57 PM
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The ACC was weak when Tommy Bowden coached at Clemson also, and he couldn't win the ACC championships, and most of the time, he couldn't even make it to the championship game. I really didn't think his comments should carry any weight at all about the ACC being that he couldn't win it all!!!

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 3:29 PM
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The "very weak ACC" is 3-4 combined versus the Big Ten and SEC this football season.

The Big Ten is 3-1 combined versus the SEC and ACC.
The SEC is 2-3 combined versus the ACC and the Big Team.

Make of it what you will.

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“Most of the time” Tammy NEVER made the championship. Also,

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 6:07 PM
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his crowning achievement, The WestZone, doesn’t even house football operations anymore. Dabo was ahead of Tammy’s vision before it even opened!

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Ok I can countenance the criticism of CTB, but not the contempt.

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Posted: Nov 8, 2019 8:45 PM
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My lasting impression of Bowden's teams was flashes of greatness & elite talent but overall doomed by inconsistency & inability to match up against physical defenses. Thrilling wins - SC '00, GT '01, FSU '03, SC '03, Tenn '03, Miami '04, FSU '05 '06 '07; cancelled out by the ugly beatdowns - FSU '00, Texas Tech '02, UGa '03, VT '07, Alabama '08; the heartbreakers - GT '00, GT '04, Miami '05, BC '05, BC '07; & the true headscratchers like Duke '04 & Maryland '06. Also it never helps to be getting your #### handed to you by Wake Forest (though WF was good back then).

On the positive side - TB established a wholesome culture, generally brought in players with good character, graduated his players & kept embarrasing off-field incidents to a minimum. TB took over our program at its lowest point in 2+ decades & uplifted it in terms of talent & overall wins. And no small matter - the TB hire succeeded in uniting the fan base after the division of the Hatfield & West years, put all the fans back in DV & thus revived the great gameday atmosphere that has always been an important part of our sales pitch to recruits. Finally, in '08 when forced out after the 3-3 start & the 12-7 loss @ WF, he bowed out gracefully when a lesser soul could've burnt everything down on the way out the door. That helped keep our team together & allowed Dabo to start out with a clean slate & the team fully united behind him.
That said, there's no reason in my opinion to feel sad for TB. He's a rich man, set for life, thanks largely to CU. We hired him to win championships, not win 7 a year & make some lower-tier bowl. We gave him 10 years (!) & by that time it was pretty obvious what he could deliver - ceiling of 9 wins, floor of 6, average of 7. A pretty good coach, good man morally & ethically, just not a championship-caliber head coach.


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Posted: Nov 9, 2019 7:24 AM
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WHAT IF THE ENTIRE SEC IS OVER-HYPED AND OVERRATED, now when they play each other ,they are beating ranked teams. Some FCS teams actually have very convincing stats and look great from the eye-test.
From relativity standpoint for example, LSU beat Auburn by 3, Auburn beat A&M by a touchdown. Both Bama and Clemson beat A&M by a much bigger margin. Furthermore, North Carolina beat South Carolina and South Carolina beat Georgia at Georgia. The LSU vs Bama game today will be a good litmus test. If Bama beat LSU by 2 touchdowns or more provided that Tua is healthy, then the hypothesis that Bama and Clemson are above the rest is still true. Keep in mind that neither one has played a ranked team up to this point, therefore neither one has been able to prove themselves.


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Posted: Nov 9, 2019 8:03 AM
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IMO Clemson is in a no lose situation.

Of the top six, the one assured of a play-off spot. Nothing to stop them.

Beat QB, though working through a sophomore slump, still the beat. (By the way sophomore slump does not mean the has regressed. It is a combination of several things ... he is trying to do more ... teams are getting better at game planning against him ... and the D is not putting him in as good position as last season.

Since I brought up D ... lost a lot of talent ... they are young , but now have 2/3’s of a season under their belts ... boat load talent coming in next season.

Win and ya out in ... could win by 40 today!


There's a reason why he is no longer coach


Posted: Nov 9, 2019 2:34 PM
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I'll leave it at that.

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Posted: Nov 12, 2019 9:04 PM
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I think Tommy Bowden's record at Clemson is entirely mixed. In one sense, he modernized Clemson's offense and made the school competitive in NFL-style QB recruiting. There were many fans in the 90s who considered Clemson's relative decline to not being able to find 450 pound OLs to steamroll defenses while continuing to reserve passing for trick plays. Bowden definitely changed the direction.

On the downside, Bowden was not a good real-time game coach. I have so many memories of his deer-in-the-headlights look on the sidelines in the 4th quarter when Clemson was trailing and the clock was running. His instincts during critical moments were sometimes dreadful.

Ultimately, he was a brick-builder. Somebody else had to take the program to the next level.


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