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Orange Blooded [2819]
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So Todd McShay just said
Nov 11, 2015, 2:24 PM
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That he "honestly" believes Clemson "deserves" to be number #1 but Alabama would be the favorite head-to-head. Perhaps I'm confused, but isn't a team ranked number one under the premise that no other team would currently beat them head-to-head?
Where do they come up with this ####? I'm pretty certain if our scrub third-string QB beat you on your own home field soundly then DW and the boys are going to absolutely boat race them.
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Todd McDbag is the biggest moron on ESPN ever***
Nov 11, 2015, 2:29 PM
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ohhhhh
Nov 11, 2015, 2:33 PM
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the irony.
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please
Nov 11, 2015, 2:47 PM
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explain....
before I point you
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but that would ruin it.***
Nov 11, 2015, 3:19 PM
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Over rating McDoosh
Nov 11, 2015, 2:58 PM
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He couldn't hold a candle to sum here.
I put him at a solid 5th...that's generous. It's more his effort than anything.
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removed
Nov 11, 2015, 2:32 PM
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Commie***
Nov 11, 2015, 2:32 PM
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Re: So Todd McShay just said
Nov 11, 2015, 2:35 PM
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Actually he said it the other night. You just watched a re-run
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Orange Blooded [2441]
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This is somewhat true. I read the other day that Vegas
Nov 11, 2015, 2:46 PM
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would have Bama favored over us head to head.
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Re: This is somewhat true. I read the other day that Vegas
Nov 11, 2015, 2:54 PM
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When's the last Vegas had anyone favored over Alabama?
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Re: This is somewhat true. I read the other day that Vegas
Nov 11, 2015, 2:56 PM
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I believe Georgia a few weeks back.
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So Vegas fell for Grayson Lambert is greatest QB ever ...
Nov 11, 2015, 3:49 PM
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... because of his performance against SCAR too?
Suddenly losing respect for Vegas bookies.
David Pollack: "Well, everybody looks good against South Carolina."
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Orange Blooded [2819]
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That's somewhat disturbing to me
Nov 11, 2015, 2:58 PM
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If the CFB playoff committee is supposed to be the most objective system (stats, game control measurements, "eye test", etc) then what in the world is Vegas seeing that the committee would have overlooked?
If Bama was number one, then obviously I'm fine with them being favored over us. If we are objectively the best team according to the committee, then what are people like Todd McShay and Vegas seeing that more objective measurables have already compensated for in the CFB rankings?
I've heard a hell of a lot of "opinions" of how Alabama would beat us but have failed to hear any constructive argument as to why outside of clear bias and one game against what appears to be an overrated and one-dimensional LSU team.
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Resume vs power ranking/team strength
Nov 11, 2015, 3:12 PM
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Vegas, along with computer metrics that are designed to determine the best team, are not constrained by resume and win-loss record like polls and the committee. Vegas has no problem favoring an unranked team with multiple losses over an unbeaten. Remember they had 3-3 USC favored over 6-0 Utah which caused a bit of a stir, and then USC went out and won the game rather easily. No polls would've ever had USC over Utah.
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Clemson is #1 in FEI, S&P+, and Massey Composite...
Nov 11, 2015, 3:17 PM
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The first two are purely play based "metrics"....
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I agree, but Bama would still be favored over us. Part
Nov 11, 2015, 3:56 PM
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of it is surely Vegas accounting for public opinion, but they can't put too much of that into the line or they will get hammered by the sharps. It doesn't take many of those guys dropping huge bets to offset a whole bunch of Jim Bob's in Alabama betting $20 on their team.
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Orange Blooded [2819]
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I was under the assumption
Nov 11, 2015, 3:27 PM
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Those are exactly some of the variables the CFB committee are analyzing.
Either the system needs to change to account for these metrics, or Bama being better than us is simply an opinion that can't be quantified in any objective metric.
If Bama is objectively better than us, the CFB committee shouldve ranked them accordingly. Otherwise, one system must be more accurate and one less so.
My point in all this is essentially Todd McShay is a tool.
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Let me yell.. NO!!! Should be based on performance
Nov 11, 2015, 2:57 PM
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not prediction. Otherwise we can just sit around and verbally decide who would win to decide champs.
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but the sec always gets favored by the EsecPN.***
Nov 11, 2015, 2:58 PM
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He's just confusing a"poll" mindset with the committee
Nov 11, 2015, 3:00 PM
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mindset.
For years, polls only considered who won or lost from week-to-week - not who was better. If a team won, they moved up. If a team lost, they moved down.
The committee is supposed to pick the 4 best teams.
So poll thinking is "Clemson deserves to be #1". Committee thinking is "but Alabama would beat them".
I'm not saying I agree with him - but that's why he's saying stuff like that...
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No, teams are largely ranked on resume (which is mostly W/L)
Nov 11, 2015, 3:02 PM
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and not who would actually be favored. Some computer models attempt to determine the best team (aka who would be favored) rather than the best resume, but the polls do now.
Alabama would be the Vegas favorite on a neutral field against Clemson. Like it or not, agree with it or not, it's true.
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Orange Blooded [3521]
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Todd don't count***
Nov 11, 2015, 3:10 PM
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I would LOVE to play Alabama!
Nov 11, 2015, 4:06 PM
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They have a great defensive line, but they seem very susceptible to spread offenses. Double whammy if that spread offense has a mobile QB like we do.
They have a good ground game on offense, but it doesn't scare me with our personnel on defense. We could stack the box and trust our secondary to play man to man.
We would beat them by at least 14 points.
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Orange Blooded [2819]
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As someone who has watched Bama all year
Nov 11, 2015, 4:17 PM
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Including Ole Miss game, as well as all of Clemson's games, there is nothing to suggest we wouldn't beat them by 10+. They don't have a receiver we can't play man up with our secondary, and we would simply stack the box ala Notre Dame. On the other side of the ball, they have not faced an offense remotely as difficult and balanced as ours. The only team that resembles our offensive identity thoroughly beat them on our own home field.
As a Clemson fan, we should be pulling hard to play Alabama or Iowa in the first round on terms of who we would most easily overwhelm from top 6.
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Re: So Todd McShay just said
Nov 11, 2015, 4:22 PM
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I don't get that "Bama would beat Clemson."
Bama is a very, very good football team, and that front 7 on defense is scary-good. They can absolutely crush you up front with Henry at RB.
Bama also has some problems which even a Bama fan would admit. They don't pass well - Coker is particularly error-prone and actually seems to be leaning on his feet more than his arm, which is odd, given his skill-set - and they don't defend the pass well; they've had repeated busts in the secondary all year long.
Clemson has no obvious weaknesses, at least on offense and defense. I would posit our kick coverage is spotty and our return game nonexistent, but while those do hurt us bigger than we'd like to admit in the "hidden yardage" game - and kept a lot of teams who got crushed on the statline in games longer than they probably should have been (Louisville and NC State come to mind), those aren't massive deficiencies.
Bama's got imposing talent some places...and not-so-good talent in others. They're built for SEC trench warfare, but are they a national title team, especially with a Jacob Coker - who would be 3rd-string at FSU right now had he stayed - under center?
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Re: So Todd McShay just said
Nov 11, 2015, 4:25 PM
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Just because we're number 1 doesn't mean we're supposed to be favored. Even tho I think we will beat them head 2 head. In order to be the best, we have to beat the best. They said Lsu would beat us, what happen? Ohio state will "kill" Clemson, 40-35.. Clemson will not beat Oklahoma, 40-6. They're saying this because we haven't played Bama yet, but when we do and when we win all that pistol whipping talk will be DEAD.
Oh and Kelly is a helluva Qb. He definitely wasn't 3rd string material at Clemson. Dabo loves seniority, i.e. Stoudt starting over DW even tho DW was clearly the better Qb. It would have been a damm good battle for that 2nd spot between Kelly and DW. I wanted to see who would have won out but I guess Kelly had other plans.
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Re: So Todd McShay just said
Nov 11, 2015, 4:38 PM
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I believe Bama would be favored over Clemson, so he's correct.
I remember hearing a week or so ago that Vegas would only favor Ohio State over Alabama, and only if JT Barrett were at QB.
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I don't see what the problem is
Nov 11, 2015, 4:43 PM
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He wouldn't be the only one. Since we have not played each other, all judgements are subjective. Yes, they have a loss, but it was fluky and they executed poorly. There's nothing wrong with the hypothesis that they might beat us if we played tomorrow.
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