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Post courier ostarine update

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 5:21 AM
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https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/doping-experts-contradict-some-of-clemson-s-theories-on-drug/article_8f6973e8-1a6e-11e9-96de-3fa7b8bd7758.html


CLEMSON — Medical experts this week cast doubt on some of the theories laid out by Clemson as to how three football players, including star defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence, tested positive for the banned substance ostarine prior to the College Football Playoff.

In a press conference before the Cotton Bowl last month, Clemson coach Dabo Swinney said the drug could have come from any source. The players were ruled ineligible for the Tigers’ Cotton Bowl matchup with Notre Dame and the national championship game, which Clemson won in a one-sided victory over Alabama.

“It could come from hair products. It could come from a cream,” Swinney said. “It could come from protein. It could come from a product that you order or buy online that you think there’s nothing wrong with it. It could be anything.


“Literally, it could be a drink – something in a drink. It literally could be anything, as I have come to learn.”

It is highly unlikely the players were exposed to ostarine through bathroom products or other everyday household items, according to experts. However, they said Swinney is correct that his players could have ingested the drug from an online product or some sort of supplemental protein.

Asked specifically how someone obtains ostarine, Dr. Amy Eichner, Special Advisor on Drug Reference & Supplements at the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, said the product is illegal and has not been approved for human use by the FDA.

She said there are “no acceptable benefits of using ostarine that outweigh the risks for athletes” and there are “no legitimate therapeutic reasons for a healthy athlete to use ostarine,” which is a selective androgen receptor modulator, or SARM.

“Ostarine can only be obtained illegally over the Internet or in some illegal dietary supplements. It is not an approved medication, so it cannot be prescribed by a doctor,” Eichner said. “The factories that make ostarine and then sell it on the Internet or as an ingredient to supplement companies are doing so illegally.

“Unfortunately, there are a lot of chemical factories that don’t care about laws or safety of consumers and sell it anyway. Some supplement companies even deliberately spike their products with high doses of ostarine while other dietary supplements are contaminated — probably accidentally — with low levels of it.

“Either way, athletes have continued to test positive for ostarine and USADA issued a warning about it in hopes of preventing ostarine-related violations.”

Ostarine is considered a performance-enhancing drug, but there is still much medical experts don’t know about it. Eichner said more clinical trials are necessary because at this point no one knows what would be considered a safe dose of ostarine, though small doses do appear to be “fairly safe.”

The FDA announced in October of 2017 that it had sent warning letters to Infantry Labs, LLC, IronMagLabs and Panther Sports Nutrition “for distributing products that contain SARMs” and required some sort of response within 15 days. SARMs, the FDA warned, have been known to increase risks of heart attack, stroke and liver toxicity.

Ostarine was developed with the initial intention of having the same muscle-building effects as anabolic steroids but without the dangerous side effects, Eichner said. The drug is supposed to increase bone and muscle density.

Dr. Nick Connors, an emergency medicine physician at the Medical University of South Carolina with expertise in toxic/banned substances, said ostarine one day might prove to be an effective medication for elderly patients with osteoporosis or wasting, which refers to losing weight and muscles weakening.

It is very possible, both experts indicated, that the football players could have taken the drug without knowing it. But intentions are irrelevant when NCAA drug tests are administered and B samples for each player corroborated initial samples.

“If they’ve gone through the ingredients and it’s not listed, they’re being tricked in a way,” Connors said of one possibility. “The company producing it is not being upfront.”

An NCAA official told The Post and Courier that on average 1,100 athletes per year are screened for drugs at championship events, and on average fewer than 10 per year test positive for the category ostarine falls under. Those numbers do not include the 2018-19 season numbers, which would include the Clemson players.

Clemson athletic director Dan Radakovich said 18 or 19 football players were drug-tested before the Cotton Bowl by the NCAA, which routinely tests a random pool of athletes before championship events. Clemson’s official football roster lists 119 players.

Previously, the most prominent athlete suspended by the NCAA for ostarine was former Arizona basketball star Alonzo Trier, who had the drug in his system in both 2016 and 2018. Trier’s lawyer said that in the 2016 case, the now New York Knicks guard unknowingly consumed a drink with ostarine in it given to him by his stepfather. He was later ruled eligible to play once the drug was out of his system.

At Clemson, Lawrence and freshman tight end Braden Galloway each had documented foot injuries, though Connors said he could not think of a reason why ostarine would help them in that regard. He said many college programs have adopted a policy of avoiding supplements entirely because of the inherent risk of not knowing what could be in them. Clemson players are instructed to receive approval from trainers before they take any supplements on their own.

“This isn’t approved for any specific purpose,” Connors said. “This isn’t approved for anything so we don’t know what this really would do in terms of any injury. I don’t know. I can’t think of a reason.”

Clemson has yet to complete, or make public, findings from an internal investigation into how the players ended up with ostarine in their bodies. The school has appealed the NCAA suspensions.

Lawrence is off to the NFL and should not be dramatically affected, given his first-round talent.

But Galloway and redshirt junior offensive lineman Zach Giella are facing a one-year suspension if the appeal is not successful.

“Most appeals for amphetamines are approved when there is an approved indication that has been documented,” said the NCAA’s Christopher Radford, associate director of public and media relations. “Each year, there are one to three successful appeals for anabolic agents and anti-estrogens.”

Clemson was given 45 days from the week of the Cotton Bowl (Dec. 29) to appeal and has said it still does not know where the drug came from.

Robert Tauler, a Harvard-educated lawyer who specializes in trying to hold companies accountable by eliminating ostarine from the market, said Clemson could, and should, use this as an opportunity to educate itself.

Ostarine is thought to come from China and is exported in bulk to the United States in mislabeled containers, Tauler said. The materials, he added, are sent to what he calls “criminal enterprises with four to six people.”

“I think there are a lot of misconceptions about the marketplace and I feel bad for these kids,” said Tauler, who believes there is an 85 percent chance the Clemson athletes ingested the materials unintentionally. “I think people need to do more in the NCAA, do more to understand. Clemson is in a position to devote its resources to helping other students nationwide.

“With all the money won from the national championship, for crying out loud, they should use that for a positive purpose.”


that last sentence is funny

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 6:04 AM
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I will assure them that any money we won will be put to good use. Well out 1/14th share that is.

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Re: that last sentence is funny

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 7:28 AM
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Zactky. Cover our huge expenses for carrying several hundred people across the country fir almost a week. Then split with ACC. Then fund non revenue sports with money football makes.
Math goes like this:
$10 million minus $10 million equals zero


Re: Post courier ostarine update

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 6:13 AM
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Fake news?


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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 7:56 AM
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Wow - what a click bait headline that is!! While true that it pooh-pooh’s the hair products theory the main thrust of the article is that the players could have and probably (85% cited by one contributor) did ingest the ostarine unintentionally. They got the hair products talk out of the way in the first ten percent or so of the article and the remainder was spent discussing various ways supplements etc could be contaminated.

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Exactly my thought. The headline doesn’t represent the content.***

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 8:57 AM
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It’s to be expected with the P&C***

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 4:56 PM
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I think that 85% should have been more like 87%

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 4:49 PM
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60% of the time it works every time

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 8:12 AM
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What I just read is that Galloway and Giella won't play in 2019 .

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 8:35 AM
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You must wake up negative. They will play.


They *may* play, but there's probably a better chance they dont***

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 4:37 PM
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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 8:36 AM
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That would be a shame Dug.... But - you’re probably right .....

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 8:25 AM
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“With all the money won from the national championship, for crying out loud, they should use that for a positive purpose.” I've never known the expenses not to outweigh bowl/championship winnings.

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 8:29 AM
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I think for the 4 CFP qualifiers there is profuse profit , whereas possibly all others or at least nearly all others end up with a loss .

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 9:06 AM
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You are probably correct about that, especially since Clemson began buying the bowl bonus insurance policies.

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Why is this getting a thumbs up. This is not a positive

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 8:51 AM
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development. I think read this same information three weeks ago. Undoubtedly, if our staff is telling the truth, then they must have gotten it through a mislabeled supplement. Simply ask the players to list all supplements they've taken in the time frame in which the drug would still be in their system. It should be a fairly short list. This is not rocket science. The fact that this has not been identified is of concern. And if 3 of 20 can be positive and we "have not found the culprit", then how many next time?

This should be resolved more quickly than this.


there's about a100% chance that has been done***

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 9:13 AM
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Re: Why is this getting a thumbs up. This is not a positive


Posted: Jan 19, 2019 9:26 AM
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Mislabeled supplements are potentially ubiquitous in that they are not approved by the FDA, are often formulated abroad from unidentified sources and are not routinely monitored by any federal agency= it is true that this is not positive.

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Re: Why is this getting a thumbs up. This is not a positive


Posted: Jan 19, 2019 10:39 AM
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The Post and Courier is a coot newspaper.

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As the NY Doc said..85% chance Clemson Players didn’t take substance on purpose.


Posted: Jan 19, 2019 10:47 AM
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Nuff said!

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Posted: Jan 19, 2019 2:45 PM
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Actually done if the best articles about Clemson come from POst Courier. You'd think Greenville news would have upper hand in writing great insightful articles but they seem to be on par with Post Courier. In fact Grace, who wrote the article in linked in the original post has won national awards for the last few years for her coverage of Clemson football.


Re: Why is this getting a thumbs up. This is not a positive


Posted: Jan 19, 2019 4:12 PM
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Resolve quickly. My god it was a speeder resolving for NC. The NCAA is dead Has no accountability.


Didnt the UNC thing drag on for years?***


Posted: Jan 19, 2019 4:40 PM
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