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New loophole - just bring your kid with
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New loophole - just bring your kid with


Jun 21, 2018, 1:10 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-administration-will-stop-prosecuting-migrant-parents-who-cross-the-border-illegally-with-children-official-says/ar-AAyYaHZ

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And just like that, a new cottage industry forms


Jun 21, 2018, 1:17 PM

in Mexico along the border.

Kid for a Day

Better find a way to keep them detained for a while (together). Otherwise the kids will be used and reused as ICE shields. A whole new form of human trafficking will develop involving children being used to allow safe passage. Bad idea. Worse actually for the kids than being detained like they are now.

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thats well established***


Jun 21, 2018, 1:21 PM



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So that's better somehow?


Jun 21, 2018, 1:25 PM

Detention center, or being used by coyotes and human traffickers to get people in the US without prosecution?

For the child, the detention center is safer. I mean, if we really care about the children and all.

Any media thinking of shadowing some child being used by traffickers this way for a few days? Maybe let the American people see THAT side of things and maybe Trump goes from being Hitler to the Pope.

I will suggest that this change in policy is ultimately worse for the children. Not sure the percentage of legit children versus fakes, but the fake children in this scenario would be better off and safer in a detention center.

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thats the old loophole***


Jun 21, 2018, 1:19 PM



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What about the parents


Jun 21, 2018, 1:28 PM

Sending the kids across by themselves. Wonder what the Pope has to say about this? Sounds inhumane and poor parenting to me. Just make more kids... right Pope.

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Mexico is very interesting, and different from the US


Jun 21, 2018, 1:46 PM

in many ways. One thing I have never seen or heard of is two Mexican citizens being divorced. Ever. In Mexico you marry for life. Period. If you want a divorce, you just leave. Woman leaves man or vice versa. Then they go find another "wife/husband" and start a new family. They never marry that second spouse.

Another huge difference is that children are expected to support their parents. If a man and woman can have 5-6 boys, when they're old enough (15-16 usually) they go to the US and work. They each live (by their own choosing) in poverty in the US, and in far worse poverty than most Americans can fathom. The money they save is all sent back to support their parents and/or younger siblings. When you can have 6 children working in the US saving perhaps half their income for mom and dad, and they send it to Mexico, the parents live better in their old age than at any other time in their lives. BUT, say you have no children, then you die an early death.

There is a huge incentive to have children in Mexico and send them to the US to work. Whole families rarely move. Most have no plans to permanently stay in the US. As the children age, they move back to Mexico. Sometimes the children rotate between Mexico and the US. But there is never any indication the family wants to move to the US. The US is a place to work and live earning money to send home. Home remains Mexico. The exception to this rule is if the person meets a woman/man in the US and they start living together. Say a man and woman are married in Mexico and have 3 children. Man and 2 boys come to the US to work, leaving wife and daughter in Mexico. Husband finds a new wife in the US. Stops sending $$$ to the wife and daughter in Mexico and supports his "American" family. Those cases are the only instances where the plans change to a full and permanent move. If they don't find a spouse in the US, they always return to Mexico. If they do they don't because they can't really.

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more dreamers ugh***


Jun 21, 2018, 1:34 PM



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Well sure. You didn’t think America separated kids from


Jun 21, 2018, 1:45 PM

“Parents” purely as a punishment? Any calm head could have understood the reason for the policy, even if they disagreed with it or thought it could be better implemented. But there was outrage to be whipped up and emotions to be played for political points, so no time for understanding. And watch kids be put in harms way now.

Amazing.

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Re: Well sure. You didn’t think America separated kids from


Jun 21, 2018, 2:29 PM

The policy was to stoke his base and try to use it as a bargaining chip. It failed.

It's also because Trump is less than human.

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Not sure everybody knows about the Flores consent decree***


Jun 21, 2018, 2:31 PM [ in reply to Well sure. You didn’t think America separated kids from ]



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Or cares.***


Jun 21, 2018, 2:35 PM



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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
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Re: New loophole - just bring your kid with


Jun 21, 2018, 2:28 PM

What's wrong with this?

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This is just the old policy, not a new loophole


Jun 21, 2018, 2:30 PM

This is what the Trump policy was intended to fix, but as usual, they rolled it out all wrong and didn't think about the consequences of what they were doing. They could have avoided all of this by working with Congress beforehand and making sure there were adequate facilities. Of course, they didn't do that. Then he tried to issue an EO yesterday that kept the zero tolerance policy while also keeping families together, but as it turned out, the same legal problems that existed before the EO were still there, and new facilities didn't magically appear. So now we're back to square one.


Finally, that still doesn't mean separating children from families was a Trump policy.


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Yep.***


Jun 21, 2018, 2:36 PM



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Congress will not work with Trump on immigration


Jun 21, 2018, 3:24 PM [ in reply to This is just the old policy, not a new loophole ]

Or Obama, Bush2, Clinton, Bush1, or Reagan.

This is why Trump needed to force the issue. Follow the law, don't make exceptions in enforcing it, and thereby force Congress to reform the law.

And this crosses party lines totally. On immigration....

A dem congress wouldn't work with Reagan
A dem congress wouldn't work with Bush1
A pub congress wouldn't work with Clinton
A dem congress wouldn't work with Clinton
A dem congress wouldn't work with Bush2
A pub congress wouldn't work with Bush 2
A dem congress wouldn't work with Obama
A pub congress wouldn't work with Obama
A pub congress wouldn't work with Trump

So this isn't a party thing. It's a Congress thing.

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Oh, ok, so this has been a pressing issue before?


Jun 21, 2018, 3:57 PM

No immigration bills were passed during any of those presidencies? And if Congress won't pass certain bills, isn't that because people don't want their representatives to pass those bills enough to vote for somebody will pass them?

The thing is, this is a very small piece of the overall immigration issue. But still, many Democrats don't want to end catch and release, and many Republicans don't want to increase the amount of time children can be held by the government without ending catching release and other enforcement measures. The real problem here is that Democrats don't want to admit that there was a legal issue involved, and they want to keep the onus on the Trump administration's zero tolerance policy.

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