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It occurs to me...basketball

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Posted: Feb 17, 2019 9:02 PM
 

It occurs to me that if as many fans cared about men’s basketball when we win as they do when we lose we could have the type of program we all desire


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Posted: Feb 17, 2019 9:07 PM
 

I think that is what the BB fans want, but not so sure about everyone else. Feels like others may enjoy complaining to complain. The trolls love it of course...

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Posted: Feb 17, 2019 9:12 PM
 



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Posted: Feb 17, 2019 9:12 PM
 

Dude people expected a lot better this season .
There is no excuse we are not 18-7 or at least 17-8 and sitting pretty. The schedule has not been brutal and we missed a golden opportunity this season.


I’m sorry, I didn’t realize that the season is over.

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Posted: Feb 17, 2019 9:13 PM
 

Why can’t you wait until the end of the season before evaluating things?

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Posted: Feb 17, 2019 11:30 PM
 

Well I figure about 19-14 will be our final record after the ACC Tournament.
With 4 5th year SRs and a manageable schedule, what should happen?
I hope Im very wrong and we go on a big run but do you actually believe this will happen?


the best evaluations are done in real time, with constant


Posted: Feb 18, 2019 1:32 AM
 

observation so that the culmination of information can provide a more accurate view of performance. We have 8 years of culminations to observe, and that 8 years is truly telling. As someone has asserted that Brownell's performance is admirable given the overall history of the program, I would assert that Brownell has not performed up to the level of other coaches except Shyatt.
Clemson basketball deserves to have teams that earn NCAA tournament berths more years than not. Brownell's teams have not earned tournament berths more than they have earned.

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Posted: Feb 17, 2019 10:30 PM
 

Winitall18 said:

Dude people expected a lot better this season .
There is no excuse we are not 18-7 or at least 17-8 and sitting pretty. The schedule has not been brutal and we missed a golden opportunity this season.




No doubt we have missed on several close calls this season and fans should be disappointed but that is no reason to call for firing the coach. Recruiting has improved over the last few cycles and we are competitive in most games which is more than history dictates should be expected at Clemson


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Posted: Feb 17, 2019 11:35 PM
 

Oh this season alone is not why people want CBB gone . I mean look at the improvement it’s none compared to where OP had us .
I would much rather lose in the first round and have an exciting season than continually lose close games


Yes, the same Oliver Purnell who coached us to

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Posted: Feb 17, 2019 11:41 PM
 

upset defeats in the NCAA Tournament all three years we made it. We were the higher seeded team each time, and lost each time (two of those were not even close losses, and the other we lost by 3).

Also, with a significant drop in recruiting, Purnell left Brownell with little talent after year one.

Finally, leaving in the middle of the night, not even giving his players the courtesy of telling them he had taken another job. It's no wonder several of them threatened to leave the program if he returned as coach.

That's where OP had us.

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Posted: Feb 17, 2019 11:46 PM
 

You are preaching to the choir, everyone likes CBB but it comes a Time when the program is bigger than the man. We have had decent enough talent to do better ,this year is a prime example.
We made the Dance with OP’s players and CBB has had 3 NBA players and very good guards .


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Posted: Feb 18, 2019 6:34 PM
 

Are you a paid social media liason for BB?


No, I just think he’s a really good coach who needs better talent


Posted: Feb 18, 2019 8:36 PM
 

and disagree with many on here that he has what he needs to recruit well enough to build a winner. He’s not perfect, but he (and any basketball coach at Clemson) deserves better support from the administration and fans.

I just think it’s overly simplistic to blame the coach and talk about how bad he is when he isn’t given what he needs to be successful.

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You may not be wrong, but what we have is a fan base

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Posted: Feb 17, 2019 11:11 PM
 

that has been pummelled with disappointment for decades. There was a time when Clemson fans packed out Littlejohn ... it was us against the world, and there was hope and belief that we could eventually get there. For years, LJ would be packed for ACC games against ranked opponnents, and it was loud and rowdy. Our students were a big part of it, and no matter the odds, we believed we could slay the giants. The fans and students hung in there for decades; many still do, but damage has been done. I don't remember Fike, but I remember LJ being built, and Butch Zatezalo, Bud Martin, Tates Lock and Skip Wise. I've seen us have some good teams, but it never lasted. I've seen quite a span, with some ups and downs, but we've just never been able to crack the code, to get to the next level. The belief, and the hope, has steadily been squeezed out of us. I still think, in fact I know that it can be done; but it won't be done by a change in fan behavior or attitude (even though that will be part of it); it will come as the result of a change by the university. Keep doing the same thing and you get the same result. It can happen at Clemson, but only when Clemson decides they've had enough, and it's time to make it happen. Decide to be better in basketball, to make it a priority, and commit to it. Do what successful programs do ... facillities, coaches, PR, etc.. Forgive me, but we have to go ALL IN. We never have, and we're certainly not now. Build it, and they will come.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2019 1:13 AM
 

I hunk a lot more than some of think do care about basketball, like i said in another post bc fans don’t turn out for these late midweek games when most of us get up at 5 am for work and live 3 + hours away doesn’t mean we don’t “support” it like we do football... football is just an easier schedule with 7 home games all usually on a Saturday to make...I just think ppl are disappointed so far and they have a right to be , for me I was excited as mess for the Miami game man and had a feeling it was a game we would show up win like we should against a very inferior opponent and keep that win streak goin and could have been a turning point but no , we got the opposite ... and before anyone talks about “winning on the road in the acc” Miami is terrible and there were more band members than fans at that game so I don’t think the environment had anything to do with it


They do care when we win, that's part of the issue. Which


Posted: Feb 18, 2019 2:49 AM
 

came first, the chicken or the egg. People just aren't going to show up and stand up when they feel they're going to be let down again, right or wrong, that's the nature of sports. I can't speak for all the BB years since I now live out of state. However I did have season tickets from the Tates Locke era up until the OP era. People showed up when we won from Foster's good years, to the couple by Squiggy, to the Barnes era and the good years under OP. Might not have always been packed but Littlejohn did rock for many a night during those few good years.


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Posted: Feb 18, 2019 8:44 AM
 

this year reminds me of two years ago. All the close games seemed to end up as losses. Last year we seemed to win all the close ones. St, Miami, Lou - if they had fallen our way would make a huge difference in our season.

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You think people don't care about basketball wins?

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Posted: Feb 18, 2019 9:21 AM
 

I care a lot about our wins, and the stretch after the NCSU loss was fun, particularly the VT game. And then it was like getting kicked in the nutz losing close games to Miami and Louisville. It just feels like we keep finding creative ways to lose.

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I've also wondered if our extreme success in football


Posted: Feb 18, 2019 9:34 AM
 

recently has turned even more fans against Brownell and the basketball program as they've gotten a bit spoiled and accustomed to winning and then become frustrated when we fall far short of those expectations in other sports.


That's one possibility. Another possibility is that


Posted: Feb 18, 2019 9:50 AM
 

people have gotten tired of losing. You know, being in CBB's 9th year and all. But hey, at least we've made the NCAA tournament twice and the NIT twice.

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Tired of losing?


Posted: Feb 18, 2019 8:40 PM
 

We just had one of our best seasons in 100+ years of basketball at Clemson.

Some of our fans are quitting on our team this year, as usual. We can still make the tournament and many of our “fans” seem all to excited to whine and complain about how awful we are, rather than rallying behind the team to see what they can accomplish.

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