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Is one person's death more socially important than another?

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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 10:45 PM
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By my count 3 people have been murdered in the last 2 days by looters or unknown person's at these protests. All of the victims were minorities.

David Dorn
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/retired-police-captain-shot-to-death-at-st-louis-pawn-shop-in-slaying-caught-on/article_d482138c-0224-5393-bd87-9898bebb3fd1.html


Dave Patrick Underwood
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/01/george-floyd-protests-officer-killed-near-oakland-protest-identified/5308024002/


Italia Marie Kelly:
https://apnews.com/18e8ec5a9b8e7175a128254d55df41e3


Are their lives of any less value than George Floyd's? Will any politicians or twitter virtue signalers attend these victims funerals as they plan to do for George Floyd? Where is the outrage at the loss of these minority lives? Will there be a counter-protest to call attention to their unjust deaths at the hands of those currently "protesting" in the streets? Will the ANTIFA accomplices and apologists in the media and sympathizers in Congress finally call for an end to this daily lawlessness?

My guess is that the death of these 3 victims will largely be ignored because their death cannot be used to further the narratives of the unfolding theater of the absurd.

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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 11:11 PM
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I think the response to the Wuhan flu showed us 1 life lost is 1 too many for our public to accept. That's why I only vote for candidates who promise me I won't die


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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 11:14 PM
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The ones that Obama vaporized with drone strikes don’t count.

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 12:25 AM
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To the broad-minded person that didn’t like that post, you love Snopes don’t you? They are fellow travelers.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-drone-strikes/

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 6:11 AM
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I love it! An idiot brought up Obama. I figured it would show up in one of the post to justify their racism. Wow you are the problem with this world.


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 6:34 AM
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You're a clown. Point to the racist statement


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 4:07 PM
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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 6:51 PM
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Obama was the best thing since sliced bread to you guys huh.......if you don’t like Obama it is always the excuse you are a racist .....the reason I didn’t like Obama had NOTHING to do with his race........but everything to do with his anti-right policies, dishonesty, corrupt administration , anti-Christian views, and his supporting and financing terrorists nations and organizations all across the globe might have had something to do with it.....Go Tigers!!!!’


dang.. cant even type the word Obama w/o being slandered


Posted: Jun 3, 2020 8:59 PM
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god bless


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 6:55 PM
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Watch it...There's a lot of folks that think as long as they wear a uniform that Jesus will open his arms to them...

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Another Question: Is Floyd's death that much more

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Posted: Jun 2, 2020 11:28 PM
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disturbing than this one? If not, why? If yes, than why was it hardly mentioned by the press?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/us/police-shooting-video-arizona.html



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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 12:37 AM
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Bad cops seems to be the actual problem but that doesn’t fit the narrative. We live now within the fable of the Emperor’s New Clothes except the little boy who sees the truth has cowed into silence by the “intellectually superior” mob.


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Re: Another Question: Is Floyd's death that much more

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 1:20 AM
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I remember that one, that was some sick shyatt. Most cops are realy good people, the problem is that it pays crap money and attracts a lot of sociopaths. Most departments will take just about anyone with a HS education because nobody wants the job any more.

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 6:17 PM
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I wonder why besides the crap pay, no one seems to want to be a cop, especially in minority neighborhoods. Got any ideas?

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 7:32 AM
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I remember that one, that was some sick shyatt. Most cops are realy good people, the problem is that it pays crap money and attracts a lot of sociopaths. Most departments will take just about anyone with a HS education because nobody wants the job any more.



This is very true. When the #### would want to get paid 50k to be a cop in this climate. You are recorded 24/7. If you slip up in any way your life could be ruined.

People don’t realize that cops have to make split second decisions that could destroy their life either way. It’s an incredibly hard job to get paid what they do.


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 12:03 PM
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Somehow I missed this story. That’s as bad as anything I’ve ever even regarding police misconduct.
I am law abiding and respectful of our police, but this type of stuff must stop. There seems to be a horrible incident or two every year.


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 6:12 PM
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The officer in this incident should've been roasted over an open flame until dead, much like the Minneapolis cop that killed Floyd. I don't know how much attention MSM payed to this but I don't recall any protests or riots about it. There should've been though.

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 6:57 PM
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If it were my son, that cop would not be breathing right now...

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Re: Is one person's death more socially important than another?

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 6:38 AM
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Who killed these people ? Was it the police ? That’s what the protests are about ... the cops that killed GF while in was in their custody wearing their handcuffs ...

No murder is justified ... Those people you posted about were innocent ..


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 7:10 AM
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So I'm just trying to understand your point. Is their a victim hierarchy when it comes to murder? Are minority victims killed by police of more importance than victims killed at the hands of gang members or other non-police actors? If so - why?

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I think it's pretty obvious that a cop essentially murdering someone


Posted: Jun 3, 2020 7:38 PM
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is a much bigger deal than a 'normal' person murdering someone.

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Absolutely in the eyes of many***

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 7:13 AM
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Yes..obviously socially.

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 7:27 AM
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Great Post! All lives matter. It’s saddens me that so many young people have been brainwashed by liberals who keep telling them socialism is what is best for this country.

Google Socialism and see where it has failed in every country and look at the countries who use the socialist model. China, Vietnam, and about
3 or 4 other countries.

If you want to surrender you freedoms to the federal government then vote for the democratic platform. The Dems are raising billions of dollars to buy elections in the senate and the house. For the first time in awhile I have started donating money to the RNC and for President Trump’s re-election. The RNC needs more donations very soon.

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Re: Is one person's death more socially important than another?

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 11:28 AM
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It takes a special talent to conflate any topic/post/subject with ‘soshalisim’...good job.


No, George Floyd’s death

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 7:31 AM
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Is another flash point along the 200+ year timeline of the legacy of racial subjugation in this country. The riots and subsequent violence were not “just” about one man’s death.

But I think you already knew that.

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Re: No, George Floyd’s death

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 8:40 AM
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Is another flash point along the 200+ year timeline of the legacy of racial subjugation in this country. The riots and subsequent violence were not “just” about one man’s death.

But I think you already knew that.




I don't disagree with your explanation for why the legitimate protesters are marching. I just don't understand why one type of murder seems to be more important than other categories of murder. All death's resulting from murder are unjust and the affected families grieve just as much.

Based on the demonstrated anger and passions of current and past protests, there appears to be a hierarchy of murder that looks something like this:

Top tier: Police murder of a minority (race of Police officer is immaterial)
Mid tier: Any minority murder committed by a non-minority (i.e. white people)
Lowest tier: Any minority murder committed by other minorities

If this is the hierarchy then why? Is it because the Police are representative of the state and any wrong-doing committed by a bad police officer is considered an affirmation that the USA is an unjust nation? Why don't the protesters also have the same passions and calls for change in the unjust murder that occurs at the hands of other minorities - which is at a much higher rate than police murder? Do the protestors somehow conflate these minority on minority murders as also being a derivative of an unjust nation?

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I agree--we're all equal.


Posted: Jun 3, 2020 10:46 AM
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And as all men are created equal, who do you think will get the longer jail sentence?

a) The white cop that wrongfully kills a black man,
or,
b) The black man that wrongfully kills a white cop?

If your answer is, "b, every time," you can start to get a sense for the feeling of inequity, and the rising anger.

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 10:58 AM
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Is this a joke? The person that kills the cop gets the longer sentence. Agree with it or not the race had nothing to do with it. Who do you think gets a longer sentence? The black cop that wrongfully kills a white person or the white person that wrongfully kills a cop? The black Minnesota cop that killed a white woman got 12 years. Do you think the white cop will get less? If he gets more will you protest?


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 11:57 AM
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Before we go much further I want to make one point of distinction - there is difference between "killing" and "murder". Not all "killing" is unwarranted/unjustified. For my purposes, I use the term "murder" as the unjustified killing of another human being.

On to your questions...

The simplistic knee jerk answer is "b" to your question. However, in both a) and b) I don't think the race of the Police officer matters. If a black person murders a policeman I suspect most DA's (regardless of the DA's race) are going to try and get the maximum sentence for the murderer regardless of the officers race. In other words if a black person murders a black cop the DA will press for just as harsh of a sentence as they would if it were a black person murdering a white cop.

I do believe juries are more predisposed believe police officers in regards to innocence and guilt but sentencing is up to the judges. So yes - I believe there is a a bias when policeman are involved (especially as the victim) but I don't believe it is all based on race. A majority of society still respects Police officers and tend to give them a benefit of the doubt in most cases.

So let's take the inverse of your question - who do you think gets the longer jail sentence?

a) A black cop that murders a white man,
or,
b) A white man that murders a black cop?

I still think the knee jerk answer would be "b".

The other thing to consider is that every case is heard by different jury's and the facts, backgrounds, and circumstances are all different with different mitigations that affect sentencing. What if the police officer in both situations had had been an exemplary and decorated officer up until the incident? Conversely, what if the cop murderer had been a highly decorated combat veteran with PTSD? So I don't think the answer to these questions are as simple as just saying "b" and that race is the reason people are more harshly sentenced.

What I will concede is that because minority incarcerations are so high I can understand how some minorities view that the system has a bias towards them. Are the police falsely arresting and DA's falsely prosecuting minorities to result in such high incarcerations? If so how do we fix it?

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Loosely quoting Uncle Joe Stalin

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 9:53 AM
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The death of one is a tragedy, the death of many is a statistic

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Re: Is one person's death more socially important than another?

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 11:01 AM
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You are trying to make sense of a society that has gone off the rails and is NOT recovering. Our population and leadership are largely clueless as to the root causes and if you even try to insert them into the national dialogue you get blasted off the stage, maybe even “deplatformed”. The good news for you is the collapse won’t be immediate, the bad news is it’s going to be a slow burn and be pretty bad the rest of your life.


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 12:22 PM
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The people protesting if you want to call it that ,
don’t give a frick about anybody’s death.
They are just low class scum trying to do what they do best be criminals.
99.9% of all Cops are just doing their jobs , sure you have Cops that shouldn’t have this job.
Bottom line is if you are not being a criminal there’s a very good chance you will never have any dealings with the police.


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 1:09 PM
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IF a white guy was passing a bogus $20 dollar bill at a store, would the police kill him for it?


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 2:14 PM
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I guess that’s the chance you take being a criminal. Like I said live your life right and don’t give the Cops the excuse to kill you.
Problem solved


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 2:27 PM
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Winitall18 said:

The people protesting if you want to call it that ,
don’t give a frick about anybody’s death.
They are just low class scum trying to do what they do best be criminals.
99.9% of all Cops are just doing their jobs , sure you have Cops that shouldn’t have this job.
Bottom line is if you are not being a criminal there’s a very good chance you will never have any dealings with the police.




You don't seem to understand what they're protesting. They aren't protesting Floyd's death, they're protesting how his and other similar deaths have come about. Sen. Tim Scott, as an elected official, was pulled over 7 times in one year but never given a ticket. According to him, his crime was "being a black man buying a car."

It's cops, that are people like you, that they're protesting.

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 2:41 PM
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LOL it’s just an excuse, American is the greatest country in the world . Not perfect but people here are giving way too much rope .
These situations are by far not the norm.


He was also harassesd


Posted: Jun 3, 2020 10:51 PM
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and briefly detained by a Capitol cop who questioned why he had a Senate pin on his lapel.


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 7:01 PM
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Horsehocky,,,

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 2:24 PM
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Your post is yet another flimsy attempt by the right to diminish the overall gravity and the facts for which the protesters are protesting. It's a right-wing way of saying, "well you have this one over here too, so it's really a wash. It's really just a political narrative"

Of course all lives matter. But George Floyd was murdered in broad daylight and it was filmed and became a tipping point. The issue isn't Mr. Floyd, the issue is systemic racism. The 6th leading cause of death among African Americans is the police. Suppose that were white Christians? An African American is 7 1/2 times more likely to suffer force from Minneapolis Police than white people. That's a fact and it's a real problem. Sen. Tim Scott recalled how, as an elected officical in SC was pulled over by police 7 times in one year. He was never given a ticket. According to Scott, his crime was "being a black man driving a car."

This phony Fox inspired feigned ignorance is getting old. People are fed up with what the right-wing has done to this country. The same people that diminish the current protests are the same people who repeated Trump's assertions that the Coronavirus was no big deal. Now 41 million Americans are out of work and our economy is cratering. Remember, Republicans control the White House and the Senate, there is no one left to blame except now, the protesters.

Trump and co. will be remembered as the worst administration I U.S. history. This is your guy, this is his mess and come November he will be swept away and his most ardent supporters, no matter what he says or does, will return to the margins and the shadows from whence they came.

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 3:06 PM
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Stick to the topic and stop making this about left vs right - it's not. It's about understanding why some deaths seem to matter more than others and why the reactions to those deaths are completely different.

You state "the 6th leading cause of death among African Americans is the police." That is from a University of Michigan study and if accurate, is horrible. But that same study has "other homicides" as the 3rd leading death of African Americans - so why isn't that raising even more alarm bells? If we are going to have that "honest discussion on race" in this country then we can't limit it to just those areas that support a particular narrative preferred by some.

I'll ignore the rest of your garbage post since it is the typical TDS crap....

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 7:06 PM
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You knucklebutts are FOS...We are going to have a REAL war before long, and i'm not so sure who i am going to put the scope on...but i am beginning to come to a conclusion...

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 10:36 PM
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what happens in nationwide Civil "neighbor vs neighbor" conflicts (spent time in Bosnia as part of NATO IFOR). Pray the USA does not go down that path as it will take generations to recover from it - or possibly never recover...

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Okay. Real simple. The murderers were LEOs... Criminal-on-

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 7:21 PM
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citizen or criminal-on-criminal aren't the same as LEO-on-citizen.

LEOs, as you pointed out, get the benefit of the doubt because of the situations they have to encounter, and rightfully so.

When they're caught abusing their power and yet still get acquitted, it's a reflection on the system as a whole and exposes the systemic bias they benefit from through their unions, fellow officers, DAs, jury pools, judges, etc...

In this case, the abuse was plain to see by anyone with a conscience.

As to the reaction by the public, they expect LEOs to be the exemplaries of the law and again, rightfully so.

Chauvin and his three enablers certainly weren't.

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Posted: Jun 4, 2020 1:18 PM
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What the right-wing has done to this country? ROTFLMAO.

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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 5:02 PM
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George Floyd was murderered by cops, in broad daylight, in front of multiple witnesses, who were filming him, who told the cops repeatedly that they were killing him. In other words, they lynched him. So yes, that is cause for some outrage. Looters being killed? I think I speak for most Democrats when I say, hey, sorry, but if you got shot pulling a t.v. out of a Target after hours, you kind of brought that on yourself.


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Posted: Jun 3, 2020 11:25 PM
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If so, why? I honestly believe my dog has you by 20-30 IQ points, so I'm listening to him for now.


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If so, why? I honestly believe my dog has you by 20-30 IQ points, so I'm listening to him for now.



Listening to your dog now huh..so that is why you like to sniff butts and are trying to lick your own balls.

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