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Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 10:57 AM
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To steal the most accurate comment I've ever seen on reddit...

A fraudulent Christian head coach for a fraudulent Christian university.

I really thought he'd go to little Nicky's bad coach reform school.

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Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 11:08 AM
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Not sure what's fraudulent about Liberty.. met a lot of great people who went there. They aren't our rivals if that's what is getting you stirred up.

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OP is anti-Christian it seems


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 6:53 PM
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He made a derogatory comment not long ago about Trevor Lawrence's gf going to Anderson University. If he is not against Christian schools, he sure has had a habit of speaking against them for some weird reason.

Too bad his opinion does not align well with the facts.

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Re: OP is anti-Christian it seems


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 8:18 PM
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I'm not antichristian or whatever you want to call it. I just don't think people should waste money on a degree at private university, especially for profit, when they can get an equal or better degree from a public university.

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Re: OP is anti-Christian it seems


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 9:07 PM
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Sorry for the TD, meant to be a TU (will TU a different post). I got my undergrad from a public school and graduate degree from a private and the private school was cheaper (per semester hour) because of all the discounts I got from military and corporate. I am a professional student at this point in my life and have been to six different universities, and they are almost all the same as far as I can tell. Granted, I have never attended an Ivy league school; however, I started in a "tech" school (and not the GT tech type tech either), and have been to private, public, huge state, and small private, and they all offer the same type of education I believe. I am getting my doctorate now at a private and it seems to be very similar to my cousin who is getting his doctorate from *cough* U5C. (hmmm, on second thought....maybe that should be concerning).

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Re: OP is anti-Christian it seems


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 10:14 PM
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This is related to my biggest gripe with schools like liberty that, I would call it, prey on those with the G.I. Bill. Liberty is just notorious for it. And that's how they set their tuition price (around 20,100 according to 2015 ipeds data) per year, to get the most money they can from veterans.

It is 100% no coincidence that the tuition at liberty is right below the maximum the G. I. Bill will pay for tuition per year which just went up to a little more than $23,000.

I'm also doing my PhD in higher ed, so the affordability of postsecondary education is something I'm passionate about.

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They're getting rich off of their online students

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 10:28 PM
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many of whom have military connections.

"The real driver of growth at Liberty, it turns out, is not the students who attend classes in Lynchburg but the far greater number of students who are paying for credentials and classes that are delivered remotely, as many as 95,000 in a given year. By 2015, Liberty had quietly become the second-largest provider of online education in the United States, according to The Chronicle of Higher Education, its student population surpassed only by that of University of Phoenix, as it tapped into the same hunger for self-advancement that Trump had with his own pricey Trump University seminars. Yet there was a crucial distinction: Trump’s university was a for-profit venture. (This month, a judge finalized a $25 million settlement for fraud claims against the defunct operation.) Liberty, in contrast, is classified as a nonprofit, which means it faces less regulatory scrutiny even as it enjoys greater access to various federal handouts.

By 2017, Liberty students were receiving more than $772 million in total aid from the U.S. Department of Education — nearly $100 million of it in the form of Pell grants and the rest in federal student loans. Among universities nationwide, it ranked sixth in federal aid. Liberty students also received Department of Veterans Affairs benefits, some $42 million in 2016, the most recent year for which figures are available. Although some of that money went to textbooks and nontuition expenses, a vast majority of Liberty’s total revenue that year, which was just above $1 billion, came from taxpayer-funded sources.

And it was no secret which part of the university was generating most of that revenue, said Chris Gaumer, a Liberty graduate and former professor of English there. “When I was there, at faculty meetings the commentary was that online was funding the school, while they were trying to just break even on the residential side,” he said. “It was understood that on the online side, they were making a killing.”

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Liberty has really dissapointed me the last few years

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 11:09 AM
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I have a Masters from Liberty and really thought highly of them when I attended. Now I've just been really disappointed in their decision making and the leaders.

They are trending towards looking very much like Baylor.


Re: Liberty has really dissapointed me the last few years

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 11:12 AM
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Have they done anything dishonest ? Judge not............................... I don't agree with them for hiring that corrupt individual but we don't know what went on behind the scenes.

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my comment didnt even have to do with the football hire


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 11:45 AM
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in general I've been disappointed in Liberty. A lot of variables involved but their decisions and their politics have been disappointing.

as far as Freeze. I think he should have been given probation himself and not allowed to coach so quickly but whatever. I hope that he is a changed man and does things the right way with this 2nd chance.


Re: Liberty has really dissapointed me the last few years

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 6:01 PM
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“Judge not”

“Corrupt individual”

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Re: Liberty has really dissapointed me the last few years


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 6:01 PM
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“Judge not”

“Corrupt individual”

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Makes sense.. their AD used to work @ Baylor


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 7:00 PM
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but had to resign 'cause of that whole sexual assault scandal that happened on his watch.


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Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 11:11 AM
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Wow that they would hire him. That anyone would hire him. This is a Louisville- esque type move. I feel embarrassed for them

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Gus Malzahn wanted to hire him but Auburn wouldn't allow it


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 4:22 PM
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https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/12/05/auburn-boosters-gus-malzahn-hugh-freeze-assistant-contract

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Liberty AD to Coach Freeze:

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 11:29 AM
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"Burner phones can be purchased at Wal-Mart."

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There's something in these hills.


Jeeze, a fraudulent Christian University?


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 11:50 AM
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Is this anger over that fat guy knocking us out of the tourney? How can anyone be that angry at Liberty? Fill me in.

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Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 11:51 AM
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Not so fast, my friend. LU is SACS accredited and has over 100000 students counting their online programs - which are some of the largest and most successful in the country. Mostly highly regarded by academics elsewhere.


Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 3:21 PM
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It's about a lack of morals, ethics and not being an example of hypocrisy. IMHO??


Successful at making money for Liberty U, maybe

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 3:39 PM
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https://www.vox.com/2018/4/18/17252510/online-degree-jerry-falwell-jr-liberty-university-propublica-nytimes

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Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 5:02 PM
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Interesting. I always assumed their accrediting association was a less legitimate one. That actually only lowers my respect for sacs as opposed to raising for liberty.

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Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 5:33 PM
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Something tells me you are ignorant about more than just the accreditation.

You seem butthurt about something? Wanna tell us who hurt you? This is a safe place.

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Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 8:12 PM
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Or maybe, just maybe, I work in higher ed and it really pisses me off when people try to profit from education.

Ever think of that?

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Public schools profit as well


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 9:25 PM
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There are two things that are always under construction due to adding on no matter what: universities and hospitals. There is a lot wrong with higher learning, but the debate between private and public is one that I would rate at the bottom. Education should be extremely affordable, if not open-sourced, and we should teach people how to think instead of what to think. I have seen many smart, uneducated people that could think as opposed to educated people that knew a skill; however, had zero sense of logic. Contribution to knowledge should not begin at a 700-level course. I have a lot of opinions on this, but everyone else probably does as well.

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Liberty U just sounds shady


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 9:49 PM
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"Liberty has about 11,000 on-campus students — and approximately 95,000 students enrolled in the distance-learning program... the online university features exam questions chosen at random, required textbooks failing to arrive, and a teaching faculty incapable of spelling words like “cite” or “exceptions.”


"Remote students are charged $455 per credit. (Assuming that 120 credits are necessary for a bachelor’s degree, that’s a total degree cost of about $54,600.) Meanwhile, Liberty spends on average $2,609 per full-time student per year (on campus and off campus combined) — about a tenth of what, for example, a private university like Notre Dame spends."


"Liberty University evaded federal scrutiny because it is classified as a nonprofit, but this also means that the university gets more federal funding... The Times reported that most of Liberty University's revenue came from taxpayer-funded sources, and that each of the university's 300 sales people were pressured to enroll up to eight students per day. A division of 60 sales people targeted members of the military specifically, because they have greater access to federal tuition assistance. The university's salespeople are instructed to describe the costs on a per-credit basis rather than a per-course basis, which makes the university seem more affordable. The salespeople are also instructed to not inform potential students of the Christian orientation of the education... The credits for the Bible-studies classes are usually not transferable to other universities, which disincentivizes students from leaving Liberty for other universities."


"In May 2012, Liberty University Chancellor and President Jerry Falwell Jr. announced that the school's net assets are worth $1 billion, in part from the success of its online learning program and from accelerated facility expansion. The valuation is a 10-fold increase since 2006."


"Student financial aid is a big part of Liberty University's business model. The students at LU received approximately $445 million in federal financial aid money in 2010, the highest total of any school in Virginia and one of the highest in the country. The total, a 56 percent increase over the prior year, was mostly in the form of student loans, but also included some grants and other forms of aid. Campus officials estimated the total received in 2013 at $775 million."


"Liberty University students have a higher rate of defaults within three years of completing their studies than the national average or students at other nonprofit colleges. Liberty University spends far less on instruction than traditional private universities, for-profit colleges and other nonprofit religious colleges.

The New York Times reported that faculty at LU acknowledge that Liberty University Online is a steep drop-off in quality relative to the traditional classes at the university."

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Re: Public schools profit as well

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 10:15 PM
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I fully agree with you there.

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Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 9:53 PM
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Plenty of people profit from public education.


Sounds pretty fitting


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 12:02 PM
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A fake Christian coach pretending he has morals going to a fake Christian university pretending they have morals. His new AD will be the former AD at Baylor. Some real "Christian" values at Liberty. smh


Re: Sounds pretty fitting

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 12:11 PM
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Jerry Falwell Junior proudly supports amoral politicians. So no big surprise he will hire an immoral football coach.


Re: Sounds pretty fitting

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 12:26 PM
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Wow, I didn't realize he supported Barack and Hillary.


I'm sorry this got political

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 1:21 PM
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But the current president was paying money to raw-dog pornstars while his wife and newborn son were at home. He also helped draft his ill father's will, cut out his older brother, and then when sued, cut off all the promised medical funds for his nephew with Cerebral Palsy. His charity has been caught funneling money into the Trump Organization that was funded for a childhood cancer charity. But it's okay because the president of this "christian" "university" called Trump a good, moral man.

But yeah, let's go with trashing the libs for their lack of morals when our president is about as morally bankrupt as you can possible get.


Re: I'm sorry this got political


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 5:04 PM
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For the money you spent at liberty, your son could have gotten a more valuable degree for less from a more prestigious institution.

At the end of the day though, so long as your son is happy with what he's getting, it's your money.

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love hearing the moral policing that comes from liberals


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 12:37 PM
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like taking advice from a wise fool...


Re: love hearing the moral policing that comes from liberals

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 3:25 PM
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Thankfully, we have Trump setting a wonderful example of what being a Conservative truly is! ????


Re: Sounds pretty fitting

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 1:13 PM
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Wow... lots of high and mighty folks around here passing judgement. I’m glad to know that you all are such perfect Christians.

My son attends LU and we love it! The professors, student body, and the Liberty Way, are all awesome!


I'm not a perfect christian


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 1:29 PM
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But I don't claim to be a christian at all. Worse than not being christian is claiming you are a moral christian while hiring men who were fired from their previous jobs for covering up sexual assaults and calling hookers with university phones and then paying them millions of dollars.

I'm glad your son is happy at LU, hopefully he's not in a STEM major considering their idiotic thoughts on evolution.


settle down Beavis...***


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 2:06 PM
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Are you angry?


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 3:27 PM
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You seem angry.

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Re: Are you angry?


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 4:13 PM
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I think that’s inherent in being liberal?


Re: Are you angry?

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 8:22 PM
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As the kids say, let's keep it at 100 on this......Liberals are snowflake SJW pu$$ies and conservatives are ignorant angry and scared hypocrites . There, that should get me a bunch of thumbs down.

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Re: Sounds pretty fitting

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Posted: Dec 7, 2018 3:28 PM
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If Dabo left Clemson tomorrow and this was our choice has his replacement...you'd be good with that decision?


Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 12:30 PM
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Wow.... who am I to judge? but wow....

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Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 12:33 PM
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Agree. Aside from their recent dalliances in politics, I have generally thought better of Liberty. Of course, there is grace; I'm just not sure it is wise to grant it AND trust at the same time.


Liberty is a great place and a perfect environment for Coach


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 12:30 PM
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Freeze to start over.


What is Liberty's Mascott


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 12:37 PM
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a unicorn?

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I believe it's a purple teletubby.***

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Pretty sure they are the temple money changers.


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 5:06 PM
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I wonder what Jesus would do?

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Sad


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 2:13 PM
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Very, very sad.


Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 2:13 PM
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Heeeeeeeeeere we go...Got a good Hey, Zeus feud going...

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Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 2:42 PM
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This both sad and a joke. But then again sad jokes deserve each other. Not sure what either side is thinking.

The (university of) Lynchburg College has a better football reputation and they disbanded in 1932.


Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 4:30 PM
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He can repent, have a public confession and be Baptized by the president of Liberty. Would make a great story.


Your.. junk, coach?


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 3:24 PM
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https://twitter.com/RCorySmith/status/1071123317019602944

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Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 4:56 PM
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Ah, good ol Hugh "I told the NCAA I didnt know it was against the rules to pay my players and hire hookers" Freeze. Great christian man that one.

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I just assumed that this was some kind of joke


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 7:04 PM
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then I checked after reading a few responses

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Re: Hugh Freeze to Liberty "University"


Posted: Dec 7, 2018 9:18 PM
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He gave Batmans D-Line more than they could handle.


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My wife got her Masters from Liberty; undergrad Clemson


Posted: Dec 8, 2018 12:11 AM
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Liberty was extremely supportive of our military family. Tuition was automatically cut in half (her entire program cost us only $9K) and their incorporation of faith and Christian study in non-religious degree programs was outstanding. Many times they reached out to us to lend a hand in any way they could, even after she graduated.

My wife found that not only was her education developed in ways Clemson didn't touch (she was a dual-major from Clemson that graduated in 3 1/2 years), but she also reinforced her foundation in faith. She loved how everything reverted back to Biblical teachings.

Lastly, the Christian faith is based on grace. It's the only religion in the world where you don't have to earn anything. Maybe the AD and football coach have seen that grace come to life.

"Let those without sin cast the first stone."

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they should be a shame from themselves***


Posted: Dec 8, 2018 8:54 AM
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