Replies: 49
| visibility 1
|
Webmaster [∞]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 11175
Joined: 11/30/95
|
Football Update: ESPN: Top 20 Roundtable - Clemson
May 2, 2012, 6:31 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [19352]
TigerPulse: 92%
Posts: 22266
Joined: 4/25/04
|
Re: Football Update: ESPN: Top 20 Roundtable - Clemson
May 2, 2012, 7:08 PM
|
|
Argh drives me crazy when eSECpn refers to someone as having an "SEC XXXX"
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [14470]
TigerPulse: 80%
Posts: 22910
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: Football Update: ESPN: Top 20 Roundtable - Clemson
May 2, 2012, 7:22 PM
|
|
hey we agree. but i just usually laugh and shake my head. as they say it is what it is.
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2481]
TigerPulse: 81%
Posts: 9264
Joined: 8/16/99
|
|
|
|
|
Scout Team [166]
TigerPulse: 74%
Posts: 334
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: Football Update: ESPN: Top 20 Roundtable - Clemson
May 2, 2012, 7:09 PM
|
|
They're all saying we've got the talent, we've got the fan base, we've got the facilities, so why is it 20 years between ACC championships? Interesting to me they pointed not to the coaches, but to a lack of players' leadership and committment to "bringing it" consistently every single week. They're very complimentary of our talent and depth, but sounds like Pollack isn't sold on BV just yet.
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1210]
TigerPulse: 63%
Posts: 3928
Joined: 5/19/11
|
Re: Football Update: ESPN: Top 20 Roundtable - Clemson
May 2, 2012, 7:21 PM
|
|
BV had top ten defenses he will be ok
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [18133]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 22431
Joined: 9/1/99
|
I didn't hear anything about depth. Depth has been
May 3, 2012, 7:35 AM
[ in reply to Re: Football Update: ESPN: Top 20 Roundtable - Clemson ] |
|
our #1 problem throughout the last 20 years. We're finally getting some, but we need a whole lot more depth on OL. IF the OL stays VERY healthy, we could have a nice run at it this year. As we saw last season, however, one key injury (Phillip Price) and we're struggling.
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2253]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 2967
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: Football Update: ESPN: Top 20 Roundtable - Clemson
May 2, 2012, 7:10 PM
|
|
Didn't exactly love it but I thought it was fair !!
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [55402]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 58404
Joined: 7/18/07
|
Re: Football Update: ESPN: Top 20 Roundtable - Clemson
May 2, 2012, 7:23 PM
|
|
Yes it was fair. And I think that if our guys will take ownership of the team, their team. Clemson will have a big win season. Its time for our guys to step up and swing for a hit every single down. Do that, and Clemson FB will arrive.
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [53]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Great coaches motivate and inspire***
May 2, 2012, 7:49 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [14470]
TigerPulse: 80%
Posts: 22910
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: Great coaches motivate and inspire***
May 2, 2012, 7:51 PM
|
|
great fans dont get on message boards with the same diatribe day after day after day after day
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [8681]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 8888
Joined: 10/19/11
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1210]
TigerPulse: 63%
Posts: 3928
Joined: 5/19/11
|
That was about as spot on as you can get
May 2, 2012, 7:20 PM
|
|
very good breakdown
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [14470]
TigerPulse: 80%
Posts: 22910
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Re: That was about as spot on as you can get
May 2, 2012, 7:23 PM
|
|
i agree except herbie said we won 8 did he not.
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21614]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23418
Joined: 8/16/03
|
He meant before we lost.***
May 2, 2012, 7:26 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [19352]
TigerPulse: 92%
Posts: 22266
Joined: 4/25/04
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [67820]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 115460
Joined: 11/30/98
|
yep it was fair minded of course
May 2, 2012, 8:05 PM
[ in reply to That was about as spot on as you can get ] |
|
that same season by FSU would have them proclaiming Jimbos genius and saying they were definite MNC material this year. ESPN tires to promote the product. they want to like Clemson but we've done it to them so often they temper their enthusiasm. W/ FSU they do not
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [21614]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 23418
Joined: 8/16/03
|
That was great. They did a really good job.***
May 2, 2012, 7:26 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4774]
TigerPulse: 92%
Posts: 7611
Joined: 12/17/11
|
Pleasantly surprised
May 2, 2012, 7:34 PM
|
|
Thought it was a very realistic and fair breakdown.
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4774]
TigerPulse: 92%
Posts: 7611
Joined: 12/17/11
|
Re: Pleasantly surprised
May 2, 2012, 7:34 PM
|
|
Also, no one said "pull a clemson" so I didnt punch a hole in my screen.
|
|
|
|
|
Junkie [588]
TigerPulse: 74%
Posts: 1268
Joined: 9/2/07
|
that was as spot on as you can get.....go tigers***
May 2, 2012, 7:38 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Hall of Famer [24764]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 42486
Joined: 7/31/10
|
First...Thanks to B-Meist for posting. Much easier. Clearly
May 2, 2012, 7:40 PM
|
|
we have a consensus that the 'Roundtable' coverage was a fair assessment. It's time for the guys to step up and dictate instead of reacting.
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2303]
TigerPulse: 64%
Posts: 4686
Joined: 5/28/10
|
Re: Football Update: ESPN: Top 20 Roundtable - Clemson
May 2, 2012, 7:42 PM
|
|
Blackledge is the goods. It's a shame ESPN doesn't showcase him more.
|
|
|
|
|
Rookie [15]
TigerPulse: 85%
Posts: 52
Joined: 10/19/11
|
David Pollack gets it***
May 2, 2012, 7:43 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Athletic Dir [864]
TigerPulse: 93%
Posts: 3124
Joined: 12/8/11
|
Very good breakdown
May 2, 2012, 7:43 PM
|
|
Nm
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1679]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 1829
Joined: 1/31/02
|
Nobody on ESPN is going to call out a coach on this show...
May 2, 2012, 7:58 PM
|
|
However, we sucked for ten years because of Bowden. Pure and simple. I don't know if Dabo can bring us to the promised land. I hope so. But, Bowden was NEVER going to do it.
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [17454]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 5892
Joined: 7/1/03
|
Re: Nobody on ESPN is going to call out a coach on this show...
May 2, 2012, 9:56 PM
|
|
I think that if anyone was going to call out a coach, it would be Pollack. He's a dawg and all, but I really like him. He has always told it like it is, at least about us. He's usually spot on, as well, IMO. Like Pollack, I'm not sold on Venebles yet, either. I think he'll be better than what we've had the past 3 years, but I don't know if we'll be a top 10 defense year in and year out. I think we'll have defenses good enough to win, but I'm not sure about elite. I'm guessing consistently top 30 with some really good years mixed in (depending on how long he's here). I guess we'll see. Oh how I would love to have an elite defense in Tiger Town.
GO TIGERS!!!!!
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3769]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 5333
Joined: 11/9/08
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [15526]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 21415
Joined: 9/24/07
|
Re: Dabo has already accomplished more than Bowden......
May 4, 2012, 9:47 AM
|
|
I thoroughly agree, but the talent level when Dabo took over was much better than what Bowden took over. Dabo is a much better HC than TB, mainly because of his willingness to get rid of weak staff. TB was too loyal to mediocre assistants, and it was his undoing. IMO
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [53]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
david pollack is our new ESPN fan boy***
May 2, 2012, 8:01 PM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2839]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 4656
Joined: 1/7/12
|
Re: david pollack is our new ESPN fan boy***
May 2, 2012, 8:55 PM
|
|
It's surprising because he's a UGA guy through and through but he is on the Clemson bangwagon. I think we have the ability and talent to have a huge 2012 season but it is going to be up to the coaches and players to make it happen. I hope they can have this same discussion next season about a 12-2 Clemson team, back to back ACC champs, and BCS Bowl champs. That's what I want.
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [17454]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 5892
Joined: 7/1/03
|
I'm hoping they're talking about a 14 - 0 Clemson Team...
May 2, 2012, 10:00 PM
|
|
with a national championship, of course. I'd settle for 12 - 2, though
GO TIGERS!!!!!
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1163]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 1655
Joined: 2/7/07
|
Re: Football Update: ESPN: Top 20 Roundtable - Clemson
May 2, 2012, 8:02 PM
|
|
Don't hesitate... DOMINATE!!
Go Tigers!!!
|
|
|
|
|
Walk-On [110]
TigerPulse: 73%
Posts: 196
Joined: 10/3/10
|
i agree with pollack
May 2, 2012, 8:06 PM
|
|
Hey, just like pollack said, our d doesnt need to be top 10, just make the offenses go the length of the field and earn it.
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1703]
TigerPulse: 97%
Posts: 3203
Joined: 11/27/03
|
vic koenning?
May 2, 2012, 8:27 PM
|
|
nm
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [14233]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 13983
Joined: 2/8/11
|
This is one time
May 2, 2012, 8:36 PM
|
|
where I think players and coaches should watch and listen to opinions.
I think the assessment was very good and spot on.
Clemson football is so close to being great.
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [5012]
TigerPulse: 92%
Posts: 6039
Joined: 10/9/08
|
Absolutely agree...
May 2, 2012, 8:43 PM
|
|
But the coaches need to instill the culture
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [53]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
Based on Pollack's assessment, we need Herring back.
May 2, 2012, 8:50 PM
|
|
He couldn't stop em either, but darn it, they had to go the length of the field.
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [3769]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 5333
Joined: 11/9/08
|
We have to get off the field not just prolong them from.....
May 2, 2012, 10:14 PM
|
|
scoring for a period of time. I hated that when we had Vic Koenning as DC. Could never get off the field on 3rd down.
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [16506]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 11655
Joined: 9/1/01
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [4095]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 5218
Joined: 10/23/10
|
Excellent Review Of Clemson!
May 3, 2012, 10:45 AM
|
|
ALL the players should be REQUIRED to watch this review on ESPN.
|
|
|
|
|
Trainer [46]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 75
Joined: 12/15/08
|
The main issue I saw last year was
May 3, 2012, 10:50 AM
|
|
that we became too predicable. We need to do a better job of self scouting. On certain down and distances do we have any tendencies? I think we do, we take our shot down field when we near the 50 yard line (which I personally like). But if I can figure it out, you know the other coaching staffs can to.
The paraphrased quote that sticks in my mind, is from the DB at GT. The interception that was thrown in the endzone, he said he was waiting for it because the coaches had prepared them.
I know we are going to change things up, different blocking schemes, different routes, etc. I simply don't want us to fall into a pattern. Keep 'em honest, keep 'em guessing on both sides of the ball!!
Go Tigers!
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1813]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 2419
Joined: 9/24/07
|
I saw this as well. Even as early as the Auburn game
May 3, 2012, 12:26 PM
|
|
Urban and the other dude were calling the plays from the booth. Now I realize Chad only had X% installed by that point, but still. I do think this was an issue last year, along with Tajh's inconsistency and lack of depth.
I think lack of depth on this squad is really underestimated. Everyone loves to harp on S&C but just look at Bama and LSU's rosters. They are stacked so deep they can easily absorb injuries and over the years I don't think I've ever seen a team "reload" as easily as Bama is able to do under Saban--it's just crazy. Even the Texas' and USC's (the real one) of yesteryear weren't as potent. If we can get our roster to even 3/4 the level of LSU/Bama then we should be a perennial top 10 team. I still think Dabo needs a little more time to build up the Clemson brand and bring this roster up to the elite level. We've got the skill guys, but not the guys in the trenches where it really makes the most difference. I think we're a couple of years away, personally.
|
|
|
|
|
Scout Team [178]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 300
Joined: 11/30/08
|
Re: I saw this as well. Even as early as the Auburn game
May 4, 2012, 8:25 AM
|
|
Best assessment so far with this article.
|
|
|
|
|
Rock Defender [53]
TigerPulse: 90%
Posts: 35
Joined: 11/30/98
|
That's pretty accurate, except...........
May 3, 2012, 1:08 PM
|
|
Clemson has not been as talented as these guys make it out to be. Sure, we've had some good players here and there, but when you're talking about elite level talent we did not have great talent or depth all over the field. That is simply not true. A myth.
|
|
|
|
|
Commissioner [942]
TigerPulse: 59%
Posts: 2479
Joined: 6/2/11
|
We still don't
May 3, 2012, 1:14 PM
|
|
"all over the field".
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [13038]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 22360
Joined: 4/24/04
|
Very true. We've never been loaded across the board or
May 3, 2012, 2:05 PM
[ in reply to That's pretty accurate, except........... ] |
|
with quality depth. We've had some great players (mostly flashy skill guys), but we've never had that complete team.
I know everyone hates the term, but our lines haven't been SEC-caliber. Sure, we've had some players that could play anywhere in the SEC, but the top teams over there just have incredible in the trenches.. especially the DL. We've haven't had that since like 1990.
Anyway, the notion that we've been loaded with talent simply isn't true.
|
|
|
|
|
All-TigerNet [13038]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 22360
Joined: 4/24/04
|
*incredible depth and talent in the trenches
May 3, 2012, 2:07 PM
|
|
left out a couple of words there somehow
|
|
|
|
|
Scout Team [178]
TigerPulse: 96%
Posts: 300
Joined: 11/30/08
|
|
|
|
|
Legend [15526]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 21415
Joined: 9/24/07
|
Re: Football Update: ESPN: Top 20 Roundtable - Clemson
May 4, 2012, 10:06 AM
|
|
No flaws in the assessments, and I hope our players and coaches would say they see the brutal truth in the discussion, as well. I do believe we are getting there, and I think our Defense will be better, in fact much better, under BV, and I believe the sour note we ended on will be a huge motivator for this team to move to the next level. I also think our OL will be better than it has been for the last many years. Really that has been an Achille's heel, and I hope it will be the offense's sustained drives for TD's that help make the defense all it can be.
|
|
|
|
Replies: 49
| visibility 1
|
|
|