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4 team playoff vs 8 team playoff


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:17 PM
 

What would your argument be for expanding the playoff to 8 teams or keeping it at 4?

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:24 PM
 




8 would at least accommodate the 5 major conf champs....


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:26 PM
 

Should not expand beyond 8 however.

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Re: 8 would at least accommodate the 5 major conf champs....


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 2:57 PM
 

We basically had an expanded play off last weekend

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:23 PM
 




I think going to 8 teams removes the question........


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:28 PM
 

of the teams who really deserve a shot. Four teams just isn't enough.

The field in the basketball tournament was expanded several times and now look how well it's working. There's no reason IMO to be against an 8-team football playoff because it will include the teams with a real shot at the title.


Arguing that FB needs 8 teams because CBB has 68 ...


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 1:17 PM
 

so that we can make sure that we don't leave out the best teams (or potential champions) is the wrong argument. Since no team seeded lower than eight has ever won it (equaling a #29-32 team), we should only allow 32 teams at most. The winner of the Southern Conference tournament has no chance at the title. We all know and acknowledge this. The only thing that can happen by allowing 68 teams in is an upset like #15 over #2, which ELIMINATES one of the teams that should have been a favorite to win.

In all seriousness, what team could realistically win three big games this year for the title?
Clemson, of course. Georgia could. Bama could. Oklahoma, yes. All had one slip-up, and two of those were to top-notch teams.

Ohio State is shaky with a blowout loss to Iowa. Wisconsin is really unproven even though it won 12 games. The Pac-12 is all a mess. Auburn is sometimes elite, but can't be trusted after the LSU loss and a big loss to Georgia.

Who else could really win besides these four teams? If we had a field of eight, you might see an upset in the first round, but one of the top four teams would still win the title.


Re: I think going to 8 teams removes the question........


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 2:57 PM
 

To me, 4 is the perfect number for a few reasons.

1) In the first playoff we had a 4 seed upset a 1, so it can be done.
2) In the second and third playoffs the 4 seeds were dominated, so why would 5, 6, 7, or 8 fare any better?
3) We played the 7th ranked team on Saturday, and won 38-3.

If you move it to 8 all you're doing is increasing the risk for injury as 1 and 2 beat up on 8 and 7.

If you want to give more people a shot, I would prefer to do 6 teams, 5 conference champs (unless the conference champ is not ranked in the top 6), and seeds 1 and 2 get a bye.

8 would just be too much and not worth it in my opinion.

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People couldn't decide on 4 clear-cut this year...

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:35 PM
 

b/c there weren't but 3 deserving. I don't think 2-loss Ohio St or USC deserved to compete for a Nat'l Title when they had blow out losses. I also don't think Bama deserves a shot b/c of not even winning their division.

With that said, there are rarely 4 who really deserve a shot, much less 8.


Keep it at 4.

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:38 PM
 

I'm not going to explain why, because most people aren't smart enough to understand anyway.

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Re: Keep it at 4.

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:41 PM
 

I like the idea of 6 - each of the 5 power five get one and one at large. The top two seeds get a pass for the first round.

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 2:41 PM
 




Right.


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 2:58 PM
 

But maybe that's just me?

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Re: 4 team playoff vs 8 team playoff


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:41 PM
 

The only problem with 4 is that the only unbeaten team got left out.

UCF should have gotten in over Alabama.

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 2:27 PM
 

Based on the soft schedule they played (83rd nationally), they shouldn't have even been considered for the New Years Six IMO. Auburn will mop the floor with them.

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Re: 4 team playoff vs 8 team playoff


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 3:01 PM
 

UCF should join a Power 5 conference then. They only played one Power 5 team (Maryland) who went 4-8.

People said the same thing of Boise years ago, but they at least played teams like Oregon when they were good.

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If we went regular season champ in leagues and ditched


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:45 PM
 

CCG's for an early round of 8 I think it would be an improvement. Not in favor of going beyond 4 if it involves a whole new extra round though and we keep the status quo elsewhere.

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Re: If we went regular season champ in leagues and ditched


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 3:01 PM
 

So then how do you decide who the conference champ is? This year Clemson and Miami would each have had a 7-1 conference record. Would this scenario advocate for "Co-Champs?"

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Miami would have gotten the auto-bid by virtue of the


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 4:09 PM
 

common opponent tie-breaker (3-0 vs. our 2-1; FSU, Va Tech, & Syracuse). Beyond auto bid you have to snag an at-large. If the CFP committee did their rankings irrespective of conference standings first, as they do now, then ultimately that ranking could serve as a final tie-breaker if other steps failed to produce a lone winner. If you're talking zero or one-loss teams - they're both likely getting in regardless of who is league champion. If it's 2-loss or more, then likely only one gets in.

In the SEC's case this year, you had 3 7-1 teams. Auburn would have received the auto for its HTH wins over the other two. UGA and Bama would have earned at-large berths, along with us. OSU (ranked #8 prior to CCG weekend) would have been out period with Wisconsin at 9-0 earning the B1G and USC (#10) taking the 8th spot with the Pac 12's best conference record.

From CFP rankings prior to CCG weekend...

1 Clemson vs. 8 USC
2 Auburn vs. 7 Miami
3 Oklahoma vs. 6 UGA
4 Wisconsin vs 5 Bama

No rematches. Every game is a legit play-off. Losers are tossed into the bowl selection process.

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IF you went to 8...


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:52 PM
 

I think the 1st round should be the week after the regular season...

then the final 4 as it currently sits.

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Re: 4 team playoff vs 8 team playoff


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:55 PM
 

Keep it at 4. If it expands to an 8 team playoff, we will see the beginning of the decline of college football. It will become a "March Madness" type of situation - attendance will fall off (not at Clemson), but everyone will just wait for those last 8 games.

Also, physically it would take a toll on the players - too many games...

I miss the days when the AP and UPI writers would vote on the top 2 teams for the national championship...

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Re: 4 team playoff vs 8 team playoff

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Posted: Dec 4, 2017 12:57 PM
 

We had an 8 team playoff.

Clemson vs Miami
Auburn vs Georgia
OSU vs Wisconsin
Oklahoma vs TCU

Alabama shouldn't have been considered.

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8 team playoff


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 1:25 PM
 

College football power is already too concentrated. Need to give the little guys a shot or establish a 'lil 5 CFP.

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Here's my argument


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 2:43 PM
 

Expanding to 8 teams would eliminate the situation we saw yesterday, where Nick Saban had to lobby to get his team in. I know that it's naive to think coaches haven't done that every year, but I'm not a fan of it. It's a situation of minority interests deciding the outcomes. I see 2 alternatives: a 8 team playoff to include all power 5 conference champs and 3 at-large teams (i.e. 12-0 equivalent of a UCF and an independent like ND). This only allows 1 representative (the conference champ)from each P5 conf. in the bracket. To supplement that, I would reduce the regular season to 11 games. For Clemson, we'd have 8 conference games, SC, a equal caliber out-of-conference opponent like Clemson has been doing, and only 1 "cupcake". That way you don't dilute the importance of the regular season by scheduling obvious wins like Kent State. The other possibility would be a 6 team bracket with seeds 1 & 2 having a round 1 bye- like the NFL. The main idea is premise of having a bracket is good, and the sport is better off without the stupid BCS systems, there's still more that needs to be done to eliminate the subjectivity and having the same few teams play for all the marbles year in and year out. The problem this bracket is going to have is alienating the Midwest, the Northeast and the West Coast, because no team from those areas will be represented.

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literally every other level of football has a bigger playoff


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 2:53 PM
 

Seriousy, why is FBS magically the only level of football that 4 is a “perfect” number?


Re: literally every other level of football has a bigger playoff


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 3:07 PM
 

Because 5-whatever wouldn't have a chance, or didn't earn it on the field.

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I'd like 8 teams and no conference title games now that


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 2:58 PM
 

those are largely being rendered irrelevant by the inclusion of OSU last year and now Bama. The problem with that is that most plans for an 8-team playoff involve including the 5 P5 conference champions and if you eliminate the stupid title games, how do you determine the champions? The Big XII is the only conference small enough to do a round robin.


Regular season conference records. The Southern


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 4:32 PM
 

Conference used to have something like 20+ teams at one point and it worked well enough back then.

There are plenty of tie-breaker scenarios available. If losing a tie-breaker puts you outside of the 3 at-large then how good were you to begin with? It's not perfect, just like 4, but to me it's better than CCG weekend which is a hodgepodge.

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Let's just giver every team a trophy and call them champs,


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:21 PM
 

like they do in soccer.


Re: 4 team playoff vs 8 team playoff


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:23 PM
 

Season is already too long.


Re: 4 team playoff vs 8 team playoff


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:34 PM
 

6, just to be proactive for the slight chance there are 5 undefeated P5 + Notre Dame teams. Stick with the committee instead of conference champs for numerous reasons I'm not going to get into.


Re: 4 team playoff vs 8 team playoff


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:41 PM
 

Keep 4. Really, the only team that could argue this year is OSU, and that’s a weak argument with a loss at Home and a road blowout.
You can’t ask the players to add another game due to the risk of injury. The top 4, or 8 are going to have a high number of pro prospects. You are asking them to risk serious injury for little reason. I would say that if they go to 8, they need to drop a game somewhere else and the rest of the teams won’t like it.

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Re: 4 team playoff vs 8 team playoff


Posted: Dec 4, 2017 5:41 PM
 

Keep 4. Really, the only team that could argue this year is OSU, and that’s a weak argument with a loss at Home and a road blowout.
You can’t ask the players to add another game due to the risk of injury. The top 4, or 8 are going to have a high number of pro prospects. You are asking them to risk serious injury for little reason. I would say that if they go to 8, they need to drop a game somewhere else and the rest of the teams won’t like it.

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