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Heisman Winner [111519]
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what is it with certain conservatives
Jul 28, 2017, 9:30 AM
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in that they seem to think they are experts on just about everything? They actually believe that they know more than scientists that dedicate their entire lives and career's to climates science, they obviously know more than a trained psychologist when it comes to making clinical diagnosis of people's mental health, and of course they are all experts in the healthcare system and the economy. It seems that this happened right about the time of the libertarian tea party wave took over the house, where people no longer accept the findings of our established institutions and want to remake the world into one that accommodates their own limited and often ignorant world view.
I am fine with people deluding themselves for purpose of inflating their own sense of self worth, but at what point do we need to stand up and tell them to keep their crazy out of US policy making decisions because it is a detriment to continued success of the human species? I seems like that is where we are on a lot of political debates.
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*waits patiently for cam****
Jul 28, 2017, 9:36 AM
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Re: *waits patiently for cam****
Jul 28, 2017, 11:52 AM
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You're not dumb enough to think this was actually a good point.
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Rock Defender [53]
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I knew you'd show up.***
Jul 28, 2017, 3:51 PM
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110%er [7013]
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While I agree with your sentiment, I have witnessed
Jul 28, 2017, 9:42 AM
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similar mindsets on the other end of the spectrum.
Quick broadbrush example - all the hoopla over constructing new pipelines. Some projects do cut through sensitive areas and need careful mitigation. Others do not. So-called environmentalists pretty much are against all of them. All infrastructure has its pros and cons. Pipeline leaks are a real thing and a problem. So are train derailments, tanker leaks, etc. All industry has its pollution. The ideal is to minimize risk and externalities. They cannot be eliminated. Like those on the far right, the far left strives for a purity of thought/dogma and will fight against all that do not achieve this holy grail.
In management parlance, many are guilty of making perfection and obstacle to the possible.
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All-In [28802]
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It's an attempt to try to eliminate politics
Jul 28, 2017, 11:43 AM
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Which just turns out to be a criticism of self government.
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Oculus Spirit [93652]
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Trump is president.
Jul 28, 2017, 9:59 AM
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All the rationalizations in the world will not change the fact that he was elected in a fair election according to our law. Attacking those who voted for him and calling them 'crazy,' won't change that.
As far as the people who elected Trump wanting to 'remake the world into one that accommodates their own limited and often ignorant world view,' it appears all they wanted was to undo the changes that Obama made and set things as they were before the wave of ~30 years of progressivism.
As far as 'people deluding themselves for purpose of inflating their own sense of self worth,' it appears you just do not like how this country elects representatives and believe it is unfair to those knowitall sumbiches who think their opinion has more value toward the function of our government than those who have different views.
All in all, in your early morning rant you would proclaim yourself savior of our way of life ignoring our traditional values which fairly elected our representatives and dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as crazy and eliminate them from the democratic process for that reason.
Whether your views are right or wrong, whether your science is correct or mistaken has nothing to do with the fact that we all have one vote. Our right to vote is not dependent on our mental condition and for that reason and that reason alone I will defend your right to vote and express your opinion even if it is a measure of complete delusion and devoid of any semblance of understanding of how our country was created and the principles on which it was founded.
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Re: Trump is president.
Jul 28, 2017, 10:02 AM
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this has nothing to do with trump, he is just a symptom of how dumb Americans have become, not the cause.
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Oculus Spirit [93652]
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Trump represents those 'crazy,' people, balm.
Jul 28, 2017, 10:22 AM
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You're even further from the truth than I suspected. What you're going through is common to every generation. Usher in the 'new,' and do away with the 'old,' to leave your mark on the world.
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62 million crazies.
Jul 28, 2017, 10:29 AM
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I bet a good many of them have buyers remorse.
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Re: Trump represents those 'crazy,' people, balm.
Jul 28, 2017, 10:36 AM
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trump represents those that are being left behind in society. Ironic that the people who spurned higher education for a job working with their hands now seem to know everything.
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Re: Trump represents those 'crazy,' people, balm.
Jul 28, 2017, 10:38 AM
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those people that work with their hands are useless. Lets get an AMEN!!! They are trash!!
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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I wonder what makes him hate the demographic he most likely
Jul 28, 2017, 10:45 AM
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came from so much? And don't get it twisted, tigerbalm has complete disdain for the white working class. It's that attitude that's driving people away from the democratic party, but people like him are too stupid to realize it. 2017 is a perfect opportunity for the democrats to be as inclusive as they say they are, because there are a lot of Republicans looking for another option, but they're too smug and arrogant to take advantage of it.
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65 million voters say otherwise.***
Jul 28, 2017, 10:55 AM
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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You had Hillary and Trump, two pretty terrible choices
Jul 28, 2017, 11:16 AM
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People didn't vote for Hillary because they were all on board with democrats and their policies.
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Oculus Spirit [81049]
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the Russians did it! They hacked the election!!
Jul 28, 2017, 1:35 PM
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That, and people hate women. And Trump broke all the rules!
Soon to be in a new book by Hillary. Through absolutely zero fault of her own, the election was unabashedly taken from her. IT WAS HER TURN!
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Legend [15492]
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The 'Trump is president' is tired and misses the point
Jul 28, 2017, 5:40 PM
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Let me quote Sen. Jeff Flake, (Republican-Az):
“Is it conservative to praise dictators as ‘strong leaders,’ to speak fondly of countries that crush dissent and murder political opponents …? Is it conservative to demonize and vilify and mischaracterize religious and ethnic minorities …? Is it conservative to be an ethno-nationalist? Is it conservative to embrace as fact things that are demonstrably untrue?”
Further he says: "“It seems it is not enough to be conservative anymore. You have to be vicious. And its lost its philosophy. We become so estranged from our principles that we no longer recognize what principle is.”
You saw Graham/McCain press conference yesterday. "This bill is a fraud". And you see what happened last night.
Balm1 isn't alone in his characterization of the direction of the Conservative/Republican ideology. A lot of conservatives are very concerned with where Trump is leading the GOP.
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Re: what is it with certain conservatives
Jul 28, 2017, 10:07 AM
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Science says XX and XY. You cant even comprehend that one.
You keep throwing those stones from your high and mighty perch.
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Re: what is it with certain conservatives
Jul 28, 2017, 10:09 AM
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believing that established science is some how preaching down on society is a perfect perfect example of how hundreds of years human progress can be wiped away in a single generation.
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Hall of Famer [21564]
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This guy must have made a B+
Jul 28, 2017, 10:15 AM
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in high school biology.
Now, he's never had a cognitive psychology class but Trump supporters aren't good with higher edjumication.
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Does anyone know what this was supposed to mean?
Jul 28, 2017, 11:48 AM
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Because it sounds like you started this thread to decry people disagreeing with certain experts, then just declared that "human progress" could be "wiped away" by science "preaching down on society."
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Oculus Spirit [81049]
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It would help even if he knew what he meant.
Jul 28, 2017, 1:32 PM
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I really think he is stoned, or just simply confused for most of his posts.
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Oculus Spirit [81049]
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Conservatives didn't pass a healthcare finance law that
Jul 28, 2017, 10:17 AM
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nobody read and was intended to fail.
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Agreed Conservatives didn't pass a healthcare finance law
Jul 28, 2017, 10:21 AM
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after bemoaning the existing one for 8 years.
This is definitely a case for arguing Conservatives do not know everything.
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Oculus Spirit [81049]
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That was kind of the intended point***
Jul 28, 2017, 10:39 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81049]
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How nice of the dems to make that consolation
Jul 28, 2017, 10:42 AM
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for something most of America doesn't want to pay for either.
With how our government handles pretty much everything else, I can't understand why anyone would want to put their healthcare in the trust of the same people.
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You're right....
Jul 28, 2017, 10:43 AM
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the bunch we have in there can barely tie their own shoes.
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you can't be serious.
Jul 28, 2017, 10:43 AM
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Conservatives know they aren't experts and that is why they want the government out of the way.
Conservatives believe that a government which governs best is that which governs least.
That is why conservatives believe that government (especially national government) should not be running health care, education, transportation, labor, insurance, public safety nets, etc... Conservatives know that we can't change the ####### weather.
It is the ####### liberals who are self proclaimed experts on everything! It is the liberals who know how best everyone should live their lives! Liberals claim know how much of our own money we should be allowed to keep. Where and when we should go to school. How we can and cannot organize. How we should save for retirement. How much health services should cost. How many MPG a car should get. What type of car seat kids should ride in. What type of crops (and how much) we can plant.
get over yourself tbalm
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I agree with this.
Jul 28, 2017, 10:52 AM
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But the global warming issue has become too politicized. If Al Gore had not lead the charge, I think conservatives would be less abrasive about it.
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Re: I agree with this.
Jul 28, 2017, 11:11 AM
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you can completely remove al gore form the equation and it changes nothing about the science. And I think it also became political when the oil and gas lobby targeted conservative voters in the 2010 midterms in fear that Obama's proposed clean energy policy would ultimately hurt their profits.
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Correction.
Jul 28, 2017, 10:53 AM
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Conservatives want those without their own views out of the way. They are far from limited Government. They want to limit what they don't understand.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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Remind me again who is shouting down people with opposing
Jul 28, 2017, 11:43 AM
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opinions, and dismissing any contrary beliefs as hateful, bigoted, etc.?
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Seems like that was literally the point of the OP
Jul 28, 2017, 11:49 AM
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What's funny is he thinks all the expertise agrees with him.
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Oculus Spirit [79428]
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Well of course anyone who doesn't agree is just wrong
Jul 28, 2017, 11:57 AM
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And probably a hateful bigot, too.
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Is there a government on this planet
Jul 28, 2017, 11:28 AM
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comparable to your conservative utopia where the private sector runs health care, education, transportation, labor, insurance, public safety?
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If not every individual liberal...
Jul 28, 2017, 11:39 AM
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it's at least the liberal mindset that we should have a government of experts and everybody else needs to shut up. Unless there are dissenting experts that we also need to make be quiet, because everybody knows those guys are just "politicizing" everything.
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Doesn't someone who has studied something for years
Aug 2, 2017, 12:32 AM
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Deserve to be considered an expert? You turned this into a liberal thing. Science is neither liberal or conservative.
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Agreed
Jul 28, 2017, 11:38 AM
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Democracy sucks, doesn't it? Only the people best situated to make decisions should have any political power.
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Why don't we just find the smartest person on earth
Jul 28, 2017, 11:51 AM
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(according to scientists) and let them rule with absolute power? Seriously, let science determine it, and then everybody else just shut up and get in line. That would be great. And By-Gawd T-Balm, you'd better not grumble or question any of it, lest you be labeled ignorant.
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It's a heavily politicized term
Jul 28, 2017, 1:20 PM
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Mostly because of feminist gender theories that are regnant for some these days. The term "assigned sex" has always cracked me up, though. As if it were some sort of arbitrary thing imposed on children.
I took a couple of classes on the philosophy of gender and sexuality, and I recall reading one book that made the argument that sex was socially constructed (and just assumed that gender was independent of sex and, of course, entirely socially constructed). The main gist was that it was unclear, at birth, what sex some intersex people were, so of course that means that it's unclear at birth what sex anybody is. And since there's no objective biological marker, at birth, of sex, and since genitalia and other sex characteristics have to be given meaning socially (they're just inert flesh, after all), then sex is something that is malleable.
Third wave feminists and other post-structuralist left-wingers take this social constructionism/malleability to mean that the sex binary is an oppressive form of power exerted on sexual minorities. Hence the motivation not just to study the issue objectively, but to also treat any claim that would reinforce the sex binary and objective sex as oppressive.
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That is awesome. Imagine working that hard, and spending
Jul 28, 2017, 1:25 PM
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years of your life studying, and tens of thousands of dollars for school, to come up with an arguement so absurd.
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I don't think I know more than scientists, I just think scie
Aug 2, 2017, 3:48 PM
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ntists are too confident in their 'conclusions' regarding climate change and are not acknowledging all the relevant variables that they are not even aware of.
We do not fully understand how the Sun effects our long-term weather. We do not fully understand how our oceans impact climate change. We do not fully understand how the core of the earth impacts the climate. We do not fully understand how space weather effects our long-term weather. We can't possibly know how to isolate human pollution as a variable in climate change, when we understand such a small fraction of all the other factors. Human pollution could be a drop in the bucket.
That said, I am an environmentalist. I believe in laws to reduce pollution and conserve wildlife. But I think the Earth can handle itself and I am not convinced human endeavor is the cause of the climate change we are experiencing.
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