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TNET: Coaches talk anonymously about strengths, weaknesses for 12-0 Clemson

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Coaches talk anonymously about strengths, weaknesses for 12-0 Clemson

Clemson coach made the statement this week that his 12-0 Tigers are ahead of the pace set by the first team to ever go 15-0, his 2018 Clemson team. Yahoo Sports Read Update »



"“There’s quite a few teams that have a better collection of

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 9:55 AM
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linebackers and safeties"

No doubt that was Boeren Doeren

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 9:57 AM
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I’m pretty sure there are a couple guys back there that will get a look by the NFL.


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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 10:01 AM
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The last time someone questioned our LBs




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Absolutely is Doreen

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who finished almost last in the conference didn't he? ouch!!

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 10:13 AM
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I just don't care for the way State plays the game.

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Dave is just a sad and bitter little man...

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 10:18 AM
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I'd probably be the same If I coached at NC State (the uof6c of the ACC).





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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 1:03 PM
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Maybe so but but not any of the 12 we played so far!!

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I think it's a compliment of BV.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 4:00 PM
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I get that. We are not elite on d because we landed Nolan Turner and rely on his natural abilities. We are elite because we recruited to a certain scheme, have a superior culture/mindset that are players stay on focus and we have a psycho-genius for a defensive coordinator.

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Re: I think it's a compliment of BV.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 8:17 PM
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I’d take Nolan over many in the country. Go back and watch the NC game last year. He is always around the ball making tackles or covering receivers. Had Clelin not tackled Tua on 4th and goal Nolan would have he was right there.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 6:50 PM
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It's real easy to talk chit about a team and their players when they are anonymous. But I ask, what did those coaches do against Clemson on the field, absolutely nothing bc the only team that did play us tough as in UNC, I just don't think Mack Brown would take cheap shots at our team and players just bc he was offered anonymity!!!

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 10:01 AM
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Anonymous: If we had 3 more Isaiah Simmons no team would gain a yard on us


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Posted: Dec 7, 2019 3:07 AM
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Most teams didn’t gain crap on us until we put the reserves in, but since we did we will have players with experience to put in if someone gets hurt. We are to Deep!!

With the Dline recruits we have coming in this next class we will be pretty tough the next 3-4 years, the legacy continues.

I thought this was our off year but it looks like we don’t have off years......lol

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Pretty accurate assessment of Muse IMO...

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 10:07 AM
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Muse is a really good player and he has made a lot of plays, but he’s a little bit stiff and you can get him in space in the pass game and make some plays.

Muse is one to target in coverage.

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Re: Pretty accurate assessment of Muse IMO...


Posted: Dec 6, 2019 10:12 AM
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Yep. Muse even said that himself that he knows he isn't strong in coverage and that his strength is in the run game.


Haha he is built like me


Posted: Dec 6, 2019 6:55 PM
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Built to run forward And through things. We did not get the flexibility gene

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 10:10 AM
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Wow! This is actually very accurate! Thanks for sharing.


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Coaches talk anonymously about strengths, weaknesses for 12-0 Clemson

Clemson coach made the statement this week that his 12-0 Tigers are ahead of the pace set by the first team to ever go 15-0, his 2018 Clemson team. Yahoo Sports Read Update »


Wow! This is actually very accurate! Thanks for sharing.


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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 10:12 AM
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I wonder who said our back 7 aren't " elite level " talent and that they are simply " executing BV's scheme " ?
#1 and #8 are almost as good as it gets in the country , I would consider them both elite . Muse and Wallace make a formidable tandem as starters and though not elite they are both having an outstanding year in conjunction with what Isaiah and the LBs are putting together . Our other LBs are very good , not elite but their knowledge and execution has had very few hiccups through 12 games .
Just wonder which coach thought that to say it ? Only Mack Brown was able to have a little success on our coverages , and I mean very little .


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Ha ! Fixed it . I can't be expected to proofread on the fly ... I am a very busy man ;)

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 12:22 PM
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BV has joked about how Skalski and Smith don't look like starting LBs for a team like Clemson, and K'Von and Muse just keep making plays. They are rarely out of position, though when they are bad things happen.

I think our DBs' discipline prevails when LSU runs their pod-routes. Most teams leave a Bengal Tiger wide open when they set up that way. But i do fear our lack of elite speed on the edges when trying to contain Dobbins of 0310 St.

Skalski and Smith have better size, speed, reach and coverage skills than Boulware did (though PB10 had great instincts), but this is one time when i wish Shaq wouldn't have left. Seemed like it took a while for him to become instinctive in BV's program, but he sure could run.


our safeties and LBs seem to be more cerebral type

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 1:31 PM
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Players. Not all the best athletes but super reliable.

Our CB talent is elite. Maybe the best CB tandem in the country with a Kendrick and AJ

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 5:31 PM
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Just ok Raw talent many of the top teams have better safeties and Lbs outside of Simmons than we do. Our boys execute and I'm glad we have em but Skalski, Smith, Muse, and Wallace will have fight to be on practice squads in the nfl. I would guess that some teams have more than one nfl roster player at LB and S combined.


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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 9:41 PM
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Also, Kendrick is playing very well!

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 10:14 AM
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So did Pete Thamel interview the coaches beat by 30 points or 40 points? Asking for a friend.


Always easy to spot the comments by Dave Doeren***

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Sure it's not Jimbo?


Posted: Dec 6, 2019 10:49 AM
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That's my guess.

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Read the whole article

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 10:36 AM
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It's linked in the post but here it is too:

https://sports.yahoo.com/is-clemson-really-better-than-last-season-4-questions-facing-the-tigers-041422394.html

This is an excellent article and I think Thamel did a great job of adding context to the coaches answers. A unicorn in the world of sports journalism these days.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 11:01 AM
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I guess all those weaknesses kept them from getting beat by 80.

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I guess all those weaknesses kept them from getting beat by 80.





That's pretty dang funny...and very true .


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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 11:06 AM
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Not a bad article.

I think we can all agree the defense is greater than the sum of it's parts. Sure enough, players are the ones on the field making plays but CBV has gone next level this year. Into the stratosphere. He's is getting more out of (slightly) less.

On offense, TL is clearly better. Many have the two playoff games branded in their mind but TL did not play like that the entire year. He is better now than during last season and we hope he again goes to the next level during the CFP. ETN is better. The O-line is better. The receiving corp is about the same.


I agree except on the OL

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We are getting there but we were a little better last year imo.

Hopefully we don’t see mental errors, specially penalties in the next 3 games.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 11:25 AM
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I just love how these coaches we have faced offer up advice on how to attack us. Funny last time I checked none of them have obviously figured out how to do it themselves. lol

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 3:33 PM
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Knowing how to do it. And having the talent to execute it are two completely different things.

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Posted: Dec 7, 2019 7:25 AM
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According to them we don't have elite talent back there. They say attack these 2 guys. Problem is that the other 9 are in your qbs face or draped all over your wide receivers.

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Because it's bs to call out individual players on here

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Also think it's a bad idea for TNet to post comments about an individual player on here. Tanner is actually one of the most improved players IMO. I seldom worry about him, our LB's or any of our defense for that matter. I think it's funny most of the comments focused on them when our defense has statistically had one of its best seasons ever.


No, you got "smoked" for saying he "sucks"

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Honestly, can't you see the difference in saying that he can get lost in coverage sometimes and saying "Well, Muse still sucks?"

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Good point. :)

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Muse did earn 1st team All-ACC honors this year.

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It wasnt the NC State coach

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 11:29 AM
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He doesn't know that much about football

He is busy trying to remain 5th in his own state and not get passed by ECU

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I guess the coaches calling out Muse and our defense are the

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 11:37 AM
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ones who figured them out, scored on us a lot, and beat us. Oh wait....


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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 11:53 AM
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Sounds like some believe we would be average to good without BV. I’m not sure they’re wrong. When I “turn on the tape” as Dabo says, I see more elite athletes on defense (first 11) on several other top 25 teams. But No One plays better as a unit or with more discipline.

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Posted: Dec 6, 2019 12:24 PM
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BV can coach to the strengths of his players. The job he has done this year is amazing. Best in the business. The amount of effort it has taken to change the scheme and put his players in position to be successful should be rewarded. I have a feeling it will be in January.

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so if that is the case about our backend


Posted: Dec 6, 2019 12:28 PM
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then why didnt the rest of the teams in conference do that? unc scored the most points on us all season in 20


Do you think the coach saying our secondary is not great


Posted: Dec 6, 2019 12:31 PM
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managed to score once or twice against us?


The article did not specify that these were ACC coaches,


Posted: Dec 6, 2019 12:49 PM
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did it? I can see Moistclumps saying TL looks like Zeus back there. :)

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A commenter on the article brings up a nice point


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Are people going to be clamoring about OSU being well rested while only having to play 2 (maybe 3 with Michigan) games this year? Their starters haven't played much in seconds halfs, and they destroy the weaker teams they play. When whoever is #4 loses to them, will that be the drumbeat for that team?

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Knowing our supposed "weaknesses" and being able to capitalize on them are two completely different things.


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So Muse is a Candy?

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