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whats really gonna change for you?
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whats really gonna change for you?


Jul 17, 2020, 11:24 AM

with all the doom and gloom aside. Lets keep it real. Presidents don't change that much of the ordinary American day to day. Your local political persons have more to do with your liVes than the POTUS. Yet I'd be most people know little about their assemblymen, councilmen, mayors, senators, reps, and the rest, than what the Prez is about. Sure POTUSes can set some tones and influence public opinion, but if you grew up watching School House Rock like I did, you know how the whole thing works. There are few things any POTUS can do with out congress, and would be called a tyrant if he did, then factor in the States ...

This usually comes down to scary cultural issues and the people that we are afraid are in the ear of the POTUS. W, had gay rights. OOOH the church busses came around for that one. If the gays get to marry it's over. Then Obama really came out (no pun) for it. Well gays been able to marry for some time now, and most of the ones I knew who went out and tied the knot have been divorced and remarried and got to see just how miserable marriage can sometimes be. I recall my Dem friends that thought the sky is falling when W was reelected, but the sun came up, The pubs that lost their collective sh!t when Obama was elected and reelected, the sun came up. All the folks that went into depressions when Trump was elected ...the sun came up. Heres the kicker, if Biden wins, many on here will lose their minds for a minute, and if Trump is reelected I will cry, but the sun will definitely come up again

Along with lack of leadership during a crisis, I think for many Trump is simply an embarrassment, to what I think the office is. Also to the rest of the world. At some point people started to look at "normal people", or "people like me" as someone that could relate to as good holders of the highest office. No I don't think Trump is like me, hes nothing like me, but for many, they know him...hes drunk Uncle Al for me, that I only see at Thanksgiving and can't stand half the things that come out of is mouth. To some they totally relate to a know nothing like Trump, or Sarah Palin. I don't want someone like me. I want a Potus that smarter than me. That can point out countries on a map and stuff like that.

Point is whats really gonna change?

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I would agree with you


Jul 17, 2020, 11:27 AM

but his absolute lack of leadership and at times taking the completely wrong stance on leading during this pandemic hits close to home for a lot of us.

So yes, presidents don't really change much personally, but some how this president still managed to do #### it up.

Edit to add: His policy of complete and utter loyalty does affect us with local and state politicians using the same anti-fact and anti-science rhetoric because they believe it will get them ahead in the polls and also the president has no problem dressing down a politician who he feels slighted him in ANY possible way.

So no, I do not agree with you. At all.

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Re: I would agree with you


Jul 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

totally agree with that.

I forgot to add to the OP:
the supreme court is a big one for some. pubs seem to be able to scare up votes on this one better than Dems. In hopes of overturning Roe. Young people seem to care less and less about this, at least not as much as they once did.

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Yeah I would say that under a normal administration


Jul 17, 2020, 11:35 AM

not much would change personally.

This administration is anything but normal.

And that is in now way a good thing.

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Re: Yeah I would say that under a normal administration


Jul 17, 2020, 11:38 AM

lol, I know. As much as I disliked W, ....he would be so refreshing, or Romney, or McCain

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I rarely see any changes. But taxes, like Trump fouled up


Jul 17, 2020, 12:58 PM [ in reply to Re: I would agree with you ]

last year, fscked me. i don't make that much more money than i did 2 years ago, but I know I sure never had to pay the amounts at end of year that I do now.

Roe v Wade overturn? I'm 51 and a male. That issue won't ever affect me.

I need 2 things from a president: 1)Keep us out of a war, and 2) make an economic environment available to a favorable economy. Past that, I neither want nor ask for a spiritual or moral leader. Politcicans are all liars, so I won't believe anything they say anyway.

That said, I feel like we are in a war with a virus, so Trump lost me with #1, then made it worse by ruining #2.

I never cared about the guy one way or another, but I did find it humorous that he made an entire segment of people squirm when the didn't get their way (Clinton elected), but with his lack of leadership and continued lies with Covid, he's lost me. Not that it'd matter, because just like last time, we have 2 of the worst candidates we've ever had, and I prob won't vote anyway.

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Re: I rarely see any changes. But taxes, like Trump fouled up


Jul 17, 2020, 1:21 PM



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I wish I knew.


Jul 17, 2020, 2:21 PM

My guess is witholdings went down, but I never saw an appreciable amount in my check.

All I know is that we made less money this year than last, and I have a $7000 tax bill I have to pay (in addition to what I paid all year long).

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Re: whats really gonna change for you?


Jul 17, 2020, 11:33 AM

We will have peace out of the White House.

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Re: whats really gonna change for you?


Jul 17, 2020, 11:58 AM


Legit questions...
My honest opinion that this take is a bit naive. Here's what will change in my world:

POTUS sets the initial budget that everyone works from. It's called the Presidents Budget. It establishes the baseline. If Dems have the white house and/or all three houses, the DOD budget will be reduced. As I have worked in defense my whole career, this is obviously of interest to me. I believe the US' global presence is largely what maintains global peace. Without the US "policing" the world, many regions will destabilize. Many innocent people will die as a result of dictators, genocide, etc. From a personal standpoint, my business is mostly a defense contractor. We do a lot of R&D (as opposed to making bullets, for example) and those budgets tend to be somewhat stable. Plus my son is an F-35 pilot. The infrastructure required to maintain a flying force is unimaginable for the average person. Ditto for things like an aircraft carrier - these things are very sophisticated and complex systems.

POTUS exec orders. As we have seen they can have significant effect on the way various agencies carry out their roles. Trump has erred on the side of de-regulation which is good IMO. It gets the gov't out of the way. Biden will undo all of this.

Leader sets the tone. I have experienced over the years very definite "flow down" of ideas and policies of the POTUS. For example, Obama's people were anti-business. The increase in the number of freaking useless audits and oversight from equally useless bureaucrats was ridiculous. My company is not huge, but small either - we are mid-sized with ~1500 employees. We had to reserve several offices (and pay rent for them) to house federal auditors who literally were full-time on site at our corporate HQ. It takes about a year of a new administration before the flow-down starts to become noticeable.

Supreme court judges selected by POTUS. It has real effects if one of your pet causes/interests has a SC decision rendered. E.g., 2nd amendment. Abortion.

Trump pushes back on PC BS. Biden will not and his VP will be worse. Biden will embrace these ideas and victimhood. This creates more laws, regulations, agencies, etc. that start to monitor and count all the victims and perpetrators. Unless you have been in my job (federal contractor), you cannot appreciate the BS things we have to do in response. Ultimately, our overhead costs are passed to our customer (the gov't) so all it does is cost taxpayers more money. Thus, our taxes go up.

Green new deal. Biden is not for it explicitly, but he supports some elements of it. The environment zealots do not care about feasibility of technology and will believe what they want to believe. This will waste millions and billions of dollars that we taxpayers will have to pay.

Ethics. I think we have seen (and will be proven soon, hopefully) of the massive corruption of the liberal Obama administration. The FISA warrant and FBI actions are disgraceful. It all starts at the top - low morals and ethics there flow downhill. Admittedly, the effect on me is indirect.

Taxes. Biden will roll back tax cuts. This will cost me more money for sure. For nearly as long as I can remember I have itemized deductions. Trump's tax changes made the standard deduction such a good deal that my usual amount of deductions were less than the standard. Thus I've taken the std deduction for the last two years.

I have to stop, b/c that's probably too much reading already!


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Re: whats really gonna change for you?


Jul 17, 2020, 12:14 PM

thx for answering. I can appreciate your take. I would argue that some of those things don't really effect you directly, but I get it you don't like the direction.

Its good to hear others peoples sides bc it effects some more than others. If theres any Dreamers on here for example....

again thx for your post

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Re: whats really gonna change for you?


Jul 17, 2020, 12:21 PM

Agree...some of them are very indirect through taxes.

But, seeing as how neither party can control spending, those items could be in the noise compared to everything else.

I was *very* concerned about Biden's DoD budgets, but read some predictions and felt better. The word on the street is he may reduce a couple percent. When combined with inflation, it is still significant (total of 4-5% effective reduction), but not doomsday.

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It was never going to be doomsday. Republicans love to


Jul 17, 2020, 1:25 PM

fear monger with extremist predictions, but in reality presidents (on either side) rarely do anything drastic. The party message is “if Biden is elected he will defund our military, and will America a socialist country!” when in reality not that much will change.

I’ll be voting for Biden for president and Republican senators.

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Is that a Filth Lopez or a Double Sneaky Sanchez?


Jul 17, 2020, 12:34 PM

"VOTE FOR JOE BECAUSE IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER!"

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Re: Is that a Filth Lopez or a Double Sneaky Sanchez?


Jul 17, 2020, 12:49 PM

That’s almost like trumps “what have you got to lose”

I’m not telling anyone who to vote for.

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I think it's fair to accuse you of saying it doesn't matter


Jul 17, 2020, 1:11 PM

since you asked 'Does it really matter?' As far as you voting for Trump, I think it matters to you. If I'm mistaken and you really are going to flip a coin before you check the box on your ballot then tell me.

I do promise to apologize and I assure you I will be sorry.

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Re: I think it's fair to accuse you of saying it doesn't matter


Jul 17, 2020, 1:20 PM

Geesh, I am clear who I’m voting for. I’ve made that clear several times and why. As I said I’m not one to get on here and tell people what to do. Vote for whoever you want, it’s your right and your choice.

Anything else it’s your opinion. I don’t care

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Re: whats really gonna change for you?


Jul 17, 2020, 2:44 PM

I agree with you in general however there are times that a President's direct action has real, immediate consequences for a lot of Americans.

We are fools to become numb to the number of people dying and being hospitalized every day.

We are the laughingstock of the world, we hold 4% of the world's population but incredibly we have 30% of the infections and death. This is a direct result of poor Presidential leadership. When the virus first hit, the state of Maryland had to buy 500,000 Covid-19 tests from South Korea! They could not get them from the Fed. Govt.

Why the hale do we have a Federal Govt? Because they have the accumulated resources of the citizenry to be able to protect us from community threats. Whether that be Aircraft Carriers or virus testing, that's one of the many reasons we have a freaking federal govt.

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