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Virtuoso [670]
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if you were honestly surprised at the results last night
Nov 7, 2012, 3:19 PM
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please post here. it'll make it a lot easier for me to point and laugh at you all at once than it will for me to do it one by one.
before some of you get butthurt, note that i did not say i'm laughing at you for being disappointed by the results, just for being surprised. those of us who don't get our news from obviously biased news sources like fox, drudge, msnbc, etc. have known this for weeks.
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All-In [28802]
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so you knew that when the polls showed Romney winning?
Nov 7, 2012, 3:21 PM
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I suppose you also knew a hurricane would hit the east coast and bump Obama's numbers weeks ago.
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Virtuoso [670]
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actually yes. i've held pretty firm since
Nov 7, 2012, 3:29 PM
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the republican primaries that whoever they nominated would not beat obama. very few polls i paid attention to ever had romney leading--this is what i mean by quit getting your information from biased sources. all the 24 hour networks benefit from making everyone think the race is closer than it is. it's called ratings, and they're hard to come by.
but yes, by in large, i would have made a small $10,000 bet with romney weeks ago that he had no chance of winning.
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you are full of it***
Nov 7, 2012, 3:41 PM
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Virtuoso [670]
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full of it?
Nov 7, 2012, 3:48 PM
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what exactly? confidence that fox news and msnbc and cnn all actively mislead the american public to create more drama and keep them hooked in for ratings? if so, i'm very full of it.
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Virtuoso [670]
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polls are always biased towards people who answer polls
Nov 7, 2012, 4:16 PM
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turns out no one i know has ever been interviewed for a poll because we're under 50 and don't pay for a land line.
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Head Coach [757]
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Virtuoso [670]
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amazing what math and statistical analysis can
Nov 7, 2012, 3:35 PM
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do for you.
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Know-it-all [2004]
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Math and science is not a republican phenomenon.***
Nov 7, 2012, 3:38 PM
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the thing is, you didn't really know
Nov 7, 2012, 3:40 PM
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you were just betting on the information Nate Silver put out there. There's no reason to pretend like people who thought differently weeks ago are any more or less ignorant, as the original poster is doing.
The election was ultimately decided by about 500,000 votes (or about 1/600th of the population), and to say that you simply knew what the outcome would be weeks ago- and anybody who didn't agree is an idiot- when just a few days ago the poll averages showed Romney winning is ridiculous.
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Virtuoso [670]
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never said anyone was an idiot
Nov 7, 2012, 4:10 PM
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i just said it was laughable. people actually woke up this morning and had serious "###" moments because every time they looked at the news, they were told "Romney is gaining momentum" and "Romney has this state or that state in the bag". serious, "is this real life?" moments where there was any scenario but a Romney victory. to me, that's humorous and deserves a good laugh.
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being surprised at this result...
Nov 7, 2012, 4:18 PM
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and thinking there was no way Obama would win are two different things. Romney certainly did gain momentum, but it was slowed by Sandy. The polls were showing that he was starting to gain some of it back, but there didn't turn out to be enough time left on the clock.
Given the polls, it seems totally legitimate to be surprised at Obama winning nearly all the swing states. Not many thought Obama would win not only Ohio, but also VA, CO, and FL. To repeat, the difference between the result that happened and Romney ending up with over 280 electoral votes was about 500,000 people. The surprise is that those 500,000 were spread out enough to allow Obama to win all the swing states except NC.
By the way, there weren't any networks saying Romney would easily win the election, or that he had many of the swing states "in the bag." The general assumption, among all the networks, was that he would win Florida and VA, making Ohio the crucial state. So please don't pretend like you were privy to some special knowledge rather than just another person who likes tell everybody else how right they were about something that was very contestable and how wrong anybody who disagreed with you was.
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Virtuoso [670]
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Re: being surprised at this result...
Nov 7, 2012, 4:29 PM
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i don't disagree with anything that you've said (except the part where i'm just another person who likes to tell everybody how right i am). i'll only say that you've misinterpreted my point and leave it at that.
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Virtuoso [670]
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well, i'll also say
Nov 7, 2012, 4:33 PM
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i should have been much clearer that by "results", i meant that Obama won, not the manner in which he won. yes, i was a little surprised he managed to win all three of FL (assuming things end up how they look at the moment), OH and VA.
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I'm not talking about the difference in pop vote
Nov 7, 2012, 5:15 PM
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I'm talking about what it would've taken to make up the difference in the states whose electors would've given Romney over 280 votes in the electoral college
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Re: if you were honestly surprised at the results last night
Nov 7, 2012, 3:47 PM
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Would you mind telling me just where you get all your news?
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well, you see, he just knew
Nov 7, 2012, 3:52 PM
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or there was this statistical model that showed Obama had a 80% chance of winning, so everybody who thought Romney ever had a chance is an idiot.
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Virtuoso [670]
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a multitude of news sources
Nov 7, 2012, 3:56 PM
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that's my real point. if you only watch fox news, if you only read articles from huff post, if you only listen to rush limbaugh, you're not getting the full spectrum of information that is available to people in the 21st century. when you limit yourself to single source, you open yourself up to being fed opinions and wishful thoughts that are sold as facts. you end up being a cynical, conspiracy theorist ####### because what you've heard day in/day out hour after hour for so long "magically" doesn't come true. it's true of both sides.
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You are truly wise beyond your years.***
Nov 7, 2012, 4:12 PM
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are you pointing and laughing?
Nov 7, 2012, 4:54 PM
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I love geniuses
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Hall of Famer [23693]
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More like...
Nov 7, 2012, 4:57 PM
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folding arms and shaking head in wonderment.
Faux-geniuses make me that way.
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Virtuoso [670]
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FACT - If Obama were white and the national media had not
Nov 7, 2012, 4:08 PM
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sold out to cover for a liberal black president there are two things you can take to the bank ...
1. Obama never would have won in 2008. No one was going to his rallies until Oprah got on board. Then the liberal media saw this black guy selling BS about "Hope and Change" and pumped him like crazy. A white Democrat with no experience saying the exact same things would have not raised a eye brow much less be seen as this great politician. Anyone paying attention could easily see Obama was a fraud.
2. Had the media done their job Barry would not have won again last night. Almost every dem talking point was a flat out lie and Obama never called the Benghazi attack terrorism. 60 Minutes edited the Obama interview which was only a few hours after the Rose Garden statement. Those edits were to cover Obama's ####. They knew he was lying during the 2nd debate and sat on the story. This is just one of countless examples of the media covering or misinforming to aid Obama.
America is more divided than ever. Last night proved that and Ohio is already admitting voter fraud, which is almost always done by dems.
The mainstream media has been in the bag for Obama since 2006. THEN SOLD OUT COMPLETELY IN 2008.
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Virtuoso [670]
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OPINION - if obama were white
Nov 7, 2012, 4:12 PM
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people wouldn't have such a hard time recognizing he's a moderate republican, not a raving socialist.
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Good Lord,
Nov 7, 2012, 8:26 PM
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Being black did not hurt but people aren't going to nominate any ole black guy. Jesse Jackson?
The reason he won is because he's a major league political force whether you like it or not. Oratory skills is a major component, Reagan had it, JFK had it, Bill Clinton has it, and Obama has it. They each have their own style but they are are/were masterful in oratory delivery.
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Nope, while I supported Romney it went exactly as I expected***
Nov 7, 2012, 4:19 PM
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