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preach it Walt

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 4:27 PM
 

He's tearing into the committee for putting Bama in last year without winning their division.

I agree with most of what he's saying. They did get an unfair advantage and got to rest up. Game plan and get healthy. The SEC does have an unfair advantage in this CFP system.


On the other hand it's hard to argue that Bama wasn't one of the best 4 teams. They were not one of the best 4 at the time they lost to Auburn though.


What do you guys think? Please don't tell me we need an 8 team playoff. we would just end up having 3 or 4 SEC teams in there and then I would really lose my mind.

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Re: preach it Walt

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 4:41 PM
 

This is an old argument because we now know the results. The committee put the best four teams in the last year. And Bama validated the controversial decision to include them at the 4 spot by winning the whole thing.

OSU did the same in 2014.

If Bama had lost, particularly in the Sugar Bowl to us, people could still make the argument that an 11-1 Bama should nothave been excluded. But unfortunately they won.


The argument is not settled.

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 4:49 PM
 

Bama had an advantage over us for all the stated reasons of having the week prior off. We very well could have been their biggest challenge and they received an advantage by losing prior.


Re: The argument is not settled.


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 4:58 PM
 

We were off the week prior as well. In fact, we were off over 3 weeks to prepare for the Sugar Bowl.

It’s not like Miami beat us up in the ACCCG and hurt our chances against Bama.

4 best teams is the mandate.


But best is subjective.***

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 5:11 PM
 




Re: The argument is not settled.


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 5:16 PM
 

Auburn beat both Georgia and Alabama.
Alabama only beat Georgia, and
Georgia only beat Auburn on the second try.

So who was the best just out of those 3 teams???

Yet Alabama was given the oportunity to move to the finals regardless of the play-in type results.

It's basically like giving one losing team in a single elimination tournament the chance to play in the championship. If they win are they really the CHAMPION???

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Re: The argument is not settled.


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 8:00 PM
 

Except your missing one thing....

Logic


The advantage they had over us


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 7:08 PM
 

was they were better.

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Re: preach it Walt


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 5:08 PM
 

When OSU did it, they won their conference.

The issue with last year is, Wisconsin was removed due to the fact they lost their conference championship game. However, they actually had to go play a Top 10 team while Bama sat at home and rested.

Did Bama validate that they belonged? Hindsight says yes. Prior to knowing the results of the playoffs? Not at all.

You could make the case a two loss Ohio State team belonged more than Bama, based on who they beat, and the fact that a two loss Auburn team would have been in the playoffs had they not lost in the SECCG.

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Re: preach it Walt


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 7:58 PM
 

The decision WAS NOT VALIDATED simply by BAMA winning.

They were rewarded for losing and not having to play an extra game.
Which means....
1. They didn't risk losing another game
2 They didn't risk further injury
3. They had FOREVER to get well


None of the other teams in consideration not to mention the other 3 in it.... had ANY SUCH LUXURY.


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Posted: Nov 8, 2018 6:33 AM
 

They won because of the exact reason Walt pointed out. They had no business being in the playoff because they didn’t earn their spot. Regardless of the outcome the committee got it wrong & set a precedent going forward that is terrible for college football. The SEC media bias was created during the BCS era & now the CFP system is descending to the same crap. The conference championships have to mean something, otherwise don’t play the games. If you’re not good enough to win your division or conference, you’re not a national champion. Period


At the very least, Bama and Uga should have been matched

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 4:43 PM
 

Up in the semis last year.


Only Conference Champs selected***


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 4:44 PM
 




Criteria

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 5:10 PM
 

I agree with Walt that there should be a criteria. "Best 4 teams" is too subjective and rewards a huge loss as it did last year for Bama (no risk of losing CCG, extra week of rest)

1. Win your division (or conference if NO divisions)

2. Record comparison of division/conference winners

3. Quality win/loss comparison of division/conference winners

Pick your 4 most impressive off of that.

Ohio State would have replaced Bama under this.


Re: preach it Walt


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 6:20 PM
 

OMG that guy literally spent 40 minutes making the same statement.


Re: preach it Walt


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 6:29 PM
 

How does anyone know the four best teams were in the playoff last year? The conference champions were not given the chance to prove themselves in the playoff. And if you leave one out you still don’t know if the best teams played in the CFP.
It is just opinions and everyone has one just like a part of your body.
Put all conference champions in and three at large teams with the requirement that they are division champs. Let Norte Dame do whatever they want to.


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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 6:38 PM
 

Good point, but why should Notre Dame be allowed to do whatever they want?


Re: preach it Walt


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 7:05 PM
 

As others have pointed out, "Best" is very suggestive. It needs to be who earns it. Last year 'bamer didn't earn it, and still got a 'bye'.


4 best teams regardless of conference

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 7:07 PM
 

Alabama was one of 4 best. Correct decision

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It was absolutely NOT the right decision

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 7:40 PM
 

This "4 best" nonsense has got to go. I dont care if youre the 85 Bears, you still have to earn it on the field. Bama did NOT earn it last year. You didnt win your division, let alone your conference. Sorry, youre out! What? Should bama be allowed to just rest their players all season because they are deemed the best team, thereby being placed in the playoff by default? Well then why the #### even play the regular season??? Just pick the "4 best" teams at the start and have at it. You have to earn it. Best or not.


Re: It was absolutely NOT the right decision


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 9:15 PM
 

Agreed. Earning it is sports. That's why you play the games.

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Re: It was absolutely NOT the right decision


Posted: Nov 7, 2018 9:43 PM
 

The way to work the CFP system out is relatively simple. You have five major conferences. Regardless of final record the winners are included. The committee then includes the best remaining team based upon specific calculations from wins/losses compared to other major teams.

The top two get a bye and the remainder play.
FCS has sixteen to start so the idea that six is “to much” doesn’t hold water so to speak. BAMA last year would have been the sixth team, but had another game to play before a final. That way they would have truly earned their place. Would there be possible upsets? Yes, but that makes matters more compelling and ultimately fun to watch.


earning it on field in an easy conference


Posted: Nov 8, 2018 7:03 AM
 

Vs toughest division in NCAA football. Divisions are not equal. UCF winning their conference should not guarantee them anything. Play somebody. At least Clemson has scheduled SEC West opponents.

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Re: preach it Walt

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 7:51 PM
 

Answer is easy. Get rid of the 4 "best" teams stuff. Make it a 6 team playoff. 5 conference champs and the highest rank group of 5 (UCF, Fresno St). It seems pretty obvious. Am I missing something

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Re: preach it Walt


Posted: Nov 8, 2018 9:41 AM
 

You okay with the concept of a 4-5 loss Pittsburgh team winning the Coastal this year, upsetting us in the ACC Championship Game, and being allowed in? Not stating you're completely wrong, but not all conference champions are 0-1 loss teams every year...that would be heavily debated in your scenario.

Based off your criteria, it would be entirely possible to have a playoff consisting of Pittsburgh, Arizona, UCF, and Northwestern this year.


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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 7:52 PM
 

Answer is easy. Get rid of the 4 "best" teams stuff. Make it a 6 team playoff. 5 conference champs and the highest rank group of 5 (UCF, Fresno St). It seems pretty obvious. Am I missing something

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SOLUTION

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Posted: Nov 7, 2018 8:29 PM
 

In the rare event that a non-conference champion is ranked #4 (such as Alabama last year or maybe ND this year) then #4 shall play #5 for the final #4 slot. This would not happen every year so it would make things a bit more exciting when it does happen.

So the questions now becomes, what if a non-conference champion comes in at #1, #2 or #3? It is assumed that if a non-conference champion can attain #1, #2 or #3 then likely the conference champions likely have 1 or more losses and which case one cannot make a valid argument that the non-conference champion does not belong in the #1, #2 or #3 position.

For example:

#1 TEAM A - one loss conference champion
#2 ND undefeated but not conference champion
#3 TEAM B one loss conference champion
#4 TEAM C one loss not conference champion
#5 TEAM D one loss not conference champion

Then TEAM C would play TEAM D for the final #4 spot. However, if we change TEAM C to have one loss but they are a conference championship then there would not be the extra game between #4 and #5.

In last year's scenario Bama would have had to play Ohio State for the final #4 slot.
This year, if ND is undefeated or not and ends up at #4 they would have to play #5.

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Re: SOLUTION


Posted: Nov 8, 2018 7:14 AM
 

Waaayyyy too logical to be accepted.

:)

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Re: SOLUTION


Posted: Nov 8, 2018 8:30 AM
 

I like this because it makes the argument about an extra game become irrelevant. If you don't play a Conference Championship game, you would still never play more than 15 games. The only problem with last year would be who the #4 and #5 team would be? Then instead of #5 complaining, #6 would complain. Penn State would still want a shot as a conference champion over Ohio State.

Unfortunately, no solution will fix all scenario issues. It's still WAY better than the BCS.


There would not be a legitimate complaint because


Posted: Nov 8, 2018 9:33 AM
 

#6 is so far from #4 and in fact note that last year when Ohio State ended up in the #5 slot there was no complaining not from Urban Myer or 99% of college football fans.

The proposed process is more about legitimizing a team that ends up in the #4 spot who is not a conference champion and less about #5 through #25. It would not happen every year and in fact a decade might go by before invoking this game.

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Re: preach it Walt


Posted: Nov 8, 2018 8:49 AM
 

We now have a 132 (or how many D1 teams we have) team play-off. LSU lost their play-off game last week. WE have a play-off game for the next 3 weeks. OSU and Michigan have a play-off game in several weeks. Bama and UGA have a play-off game in several weeks. IN the end there will (or should) be four teams who deserve to be there. They may or may not be the best four teams, but they should be the fout that best deserve to be there. I'll also say there is a 99% chance that one of those teams will be the best team in the country which will be identified during the 4 team play-off.


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