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Anyone with past knee injuries? Where does Steward stand?
Aug 15, 2012, 5:50 PM
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I have never had a serious knee injury so in my mind I picture Tony Steward gimping around and being just a shadow of the player he could be because of two bad knees. Can someone with past knee injuries fill me in on the recovery process and if there are any complications? Will Tony Steward be the great talent that everyone imagined or is this knee injury like career suicide?
I think he could be an amazing linebacker if he lives up to his 5-star high school rating but knees are weird things. This ACL tear is something he can bounce back from after a long rehab correct, in other words, he won't hold back or lose a step or two because of two knee injuries?
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Based on the previous article, the problem
Aug 15, 2012, 5:54 PM
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isn't whether his knee will hold up, it's the fact that he hasn't seen serious football weight training in a long time.
So he's healthy, just not in football shape.
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Re: Based on the previous article, the problem
Aug 15, 2012, 6:03 PM
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Gotcha, that's what I was looking for. I say if he doesn't have a shot at seeing the field they should redshirt him. If Corico Wright and Tig Willard are infront of him on the depth chart then sit him and let him come back strong for his last three years... that's just my opinion though.
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^^^This
Aug 15, 2012, 6:06 PM
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The weight training thing is a big issue.
And also, you can never be sure how an ACL is going to respond in a game. In practice, 100% isn't 100%...if that makes any sense.
The game speed is so much faster and so much more instinctual that you don't have time to think about making that cut or taking off as fast as you can at a weird angle. An ACL that's not fully healed will surely give way at some point or another.
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Re: Anyone with past knee injuries? Where does Steward stand?
Aug 15, 2012, 6:19 PM
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I am a former Clemson athlete and have suffered a torn ACL. After an injury like that one can get back to 100%+ of what they were before the injury if you do your rehab right. As someone who spent many hours in the training room, I am sure they will do an excellent job rehabbing him. The only problem is the time. Personally, I thought it took about a year to get close to what you were before. So he is close which is why this could be a tough call.
My advice for Tony would be to RS if he thinks he can maintain his focus for another year without being on the field. Its only going to help him get stronger and faster. Maybe we only get two years out of him after the RS, but he would be leaving early for the NFL if that is the case, and that can only mean he was a terror for those two years.
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Re: Anyone with past knee injuries? Where does Steward stand?
Aug 16, 2012, 12:13 AM
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I had an ACL Recon & Scope as well.
Its about a year to when you can go full speed physically but about two years to when you are psychologically not worried about it and can play like you used to on it...
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Well, since you asked...
Aug 15, 2012, 6:24 PM
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I tore my ACL my senior year of high school and I can tell you that, while it takes time to recover physically, the mental aspect takes much longer. By the time I finished physical therapy my injured knee/leg was stronger than my uninjured knee/leg. For probably a year or so after therapy, I noticed that any physical activities I participated in my knee was at the forefront of my mind. I was much more cautious about my cuts and movement and who around me might roll onto my leg and destroy my knee again. Over time I gained the confidence back and now I don't even think about my knee. In summary, the mental aspect is, IMO, the toughest part to overcome and I've heard the same from several others with the same injury.
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Thanks for sharing, bro
Aug 15, 2012, 10:02 PM
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I'd never thought about the mental aspect as much, but I can understand how it would be significant.
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Re: Anyone with past knee injuries? Where does Steward stand?
Aug 15, 2012, 6:28 PM
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Not trying to be funny, after every practice in the whirlpool.
I had total reconstruction on my left 1979 and my right scoped 1991.
Left knee took me 11 months of tears to get back 100%.
Right knee 6 days.
Left knee would swell double in size after just a few hours of working it hard still gives me trouble
He might be going or try to be giving 100% but, I know after him having both knees cut he is giving it in pain and I fill for and wish him all the best.
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Re: Anyone with past knee injuries? Where does Steward stand?
Aug 15, 2012, 6:46 PM
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Good point and I feel bad for your knees. It also depends on what they do to repair the problem. I had a portion of my hamstring is strung in its place. It was done by UVA's team surgeon. I got the impression that this particular surgery was new and a big improvement from the method used previously. Still, the others are right, the mental aspect is the hardest part. It certainly gave me a new understanding of pain.
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my ACL injury from 1987
Aug 15, 2012, 7:46 PM
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My ACL was torn completely apart. Never got my full speed back because when running I away needed to keep the leg tense so it would not pop out of joint. Most of the time it would pop out in my sleep when I rolled over.
When it popped out my dad would have to pull my foot to get it back. Hurt like hell.
I thing the extent of the tear has a lot to due with the recovery. Also 25 years ago verses today
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Re: Anyone with past knee injuries? Where does Steward stand?
Aug 15, 2012, 8:36 PM
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Ahhh, not many things I'm an expert on, but this is definitely it. Tore both ACL's, roughly the same time frame apart, seperate knees, 1 in high school, 1 in college, actually played MLB as well, majored in Exercise Science, and a certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist through the NSCA. If there's anytime in my life I'm the guy with the answer, I think this is my shot lol.
Tearing 1 ACL is completely different than tearing 2. Obviously more rehab, etc, but mentally, and physically rehabbing it is different. For one thing, after an ACL tear, you CAN recover close to normal. People say 100%, 90%, whatever. I'd say strength wise, you can be as good or better, speed wise as good or better (mostly from re-learning running form you never learned in the first place IMO, not because of the new ligament as some people claim), but explosiveness is where I'd say you won't get back to 100% completely.
The reason I say this, is because a powerclean is probably the most explosive full body lift you can do using the largest muscle group. You're already maxing out your muscle groups at all levels. When you have ACL surgery, depending on which type (patellar tendon graft, hamstring graft, or the cadaver graft I don't think they even use anymore), the recovery times differ. I had both patellar tendon grafts, which is pretty old school, but from my understanding the most reliable. Hamstring grafts reduce recovery time, but weaken the hamstring more, and cadavers seem to re-tear more than the other for some reason.
Here's a look at my numbers before and after surgeries, but keep in mind people recover differently. I'd like to say I'm on the better end of what I've seen recovery wise:
Before
205 lbs.
Bench:395
Squat:485
Powerclean: 295
40: 4.72
Vert: 32.5
After the 1st tear
215 lbs.
Bench:380
Squat: 455
Powerclean: 245
40: 4.85
Vert: 28.5
After the 2nd tear
230 lbs.
Bench: 390
Squat: 415
Powerclean: 240
40: 4.95
Vert: 24.5
I just never got that explosiveness back I had before. Like I said, people respond differently, but I'd think I came back on the better side of things than some people I've seen recover. Of course, I'm not Tony Steward either haha. The good thing is, even if he loses strenght, explosiveness, and speed at the same rate I did, he'll still be one hell of a MLB IMO. Hope this helps guys. Tmail me for any other questions
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Re: Anyone with past knee injuries? Where does Steward stand?
Aug 15, 2012, 8:50 PM
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Several questions, please?
How long ago were your surgeries?
Did you rehab with the same opportunity (equipment and supervision) as Steward?
Has surgery technique improved much?
How long did you take after surgery to feel you were physically far enough along in rehab to play without undue concern of reinjury?
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Re: Anyone with past knee injuries? Where does Steward stand?
Aug 15, 2012, 9:00 PM
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How long ago were your surgeries?
1st 2003
2nd 2006
Did you rehab with the same opportunity (equipment and supervision) as Steward?
Yes, ACL recovery wise, we had the same stuff to my knowledge that Clemson had.
Has surgery technique improved much?
To my understanding, it's the same. The patellar tendon graft has been around since like the late 80's I think, which obviously it's been perfected along the way, but same procedure. And I also had one of the best surgeons out there.
How long did you take after surgery to feel you were physically far enough along in rehab to play without undue concern of reinjury?
Well, that's a tough question. Physically, after the first ACL, I felt completely normal around 6 months. After the second, well, I guess "normal" after a year of playing. I tore it the 3rd game in the season, redshirted, had surgery, played a little the next season but practiced full go (definitely wasn't ready to play) and came back the last season and felt good. I think a redshirt is perfect for Tony. Sure he can play, but there's no point. Why waste a year? I always say it usually takes a year of playing to be full speed not even thinking about it. There's only so many off season drills you can do to prepare it. Practicing a full year is pretty much rehab IMO after rehab is done.
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nope
Aug 15, 2012, 8:51 PM
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