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Heisman Winner [111428]
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Poll, should the south secede?
Jan 2, 2013, 11:23 PM
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NC, Sc, Tenn, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas would form its own separate union and have absolutely no obligation to pay taxes to the federal government, nor be responsible for the current $16 trillion deficit. However, all money paid into social security will be forfeited. You get to self govern in any way you like and are free from any debt burden by the United states Federal government. Any State by State deficits are your own responsibility.
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Oculus Spirit [79401]
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Betcha Texas would roll out, too.***
Jan 2, 2013, 11:29 PM
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Heisman Winner [111428]
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Re: Betcha Texas would roll out, too.***
Jan 2, 2013, 11:30 PM
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To be fair, I gave you Florida, major tourist hub with several major cities and a huge coastline, so you can not have Texas. Please vote yeah or neigh on this allotment and do not assume any other states, except Kentucky and West Virginia. You can have them too.
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110%er [9771]
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Texas would say "#### it" anyway, and form their own country***
Jan 2, 2013, 11:59 PM
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Re: Texas would say "#### it" anyway, and form their own country***
Jan 3, 2013, 12:04 AM
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that is fine and all, but lets stick to the rules. Besides, Texas has a huge border issue with Mexico, you would have to pay taxes to maintain it. I know how you all are against taxes.
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110%er [9771]
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they would just legalize hunting Messicans***
Jan 3, 2013, 12:25 AM
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Heisman Winner [111428]
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Re: they would just legalize hunting Messicans***
Jan 3, 2013, 12:51 AM
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last I checked, if you own a ranch that borders Mexico in Texas, Hunting Mexicans is in fact legal.
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CU Medallion [54758]
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packing my stuff and moving to south texas...***
Jan 3, 2013, 8:23 AM
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Re: packing my stuff and moving to south texas...***
Jan 3, 2013, 5:53 PM
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you are greek right? you would be mistaken for a Muslim terrorist and electrocuted.
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Re: Betcha Texas would roll out, too.***
Jan 3, 2013, 12:08 AM
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If those states lost all their Democrats, your thinly veiled argument would fall apart.
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Re: Betcha Texas would roll out, too.***
Jan 3, 2013, 12:13 AM
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I am pretty sure the "new South" would be a conservative majority, while the remaining 40 States would be a Democratic Majority. It is Win win for both sides on that argument.
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All-TigerNet [12269]
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Re: Betcha Texas would roll out, too.***
Jan 3, 2013, 12:20 AM
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Except many more states would join the south
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Re: Betcha Texas would roll out, too.***
Jan 3, 2013, 12:43 AM
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no they would not, i will explain that later when the votes are in. And let's stick to the rules
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That's what we have now***
Jan 3, 2013, 2:00 PM
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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When did FL become part of "the south"?***
Jan 3, 2013, 7:21 AM
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In April when all the Yankees go home
Jan 3, 2013, 8:45 AM
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Unfortunately, it resets in January.
There's a shitload of Florida Crackers that I would put up against any redneck from South Carolina. And the state, as a whole, gets a bad rap because of Miami-Dade (much like how upstaters in New York hate NYC, the rest of Florida really doesn't like the Broward/Miami-Dade crowd...)
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Ring of Honor [32958]
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Well, yeah, I'd put JoeG
Jan 3, 2013, 8:49 AM
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against any redneck from northern California to upstate New York in couthlessness.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Red States are way more responsible for the deficit as they
Jan 3, 2013, 8:17 AM
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are net takers, while blue states are payers. The rest of the country would be better off without them.
Of course, there will be a massive diaspora of people out of the new confederacy - all those with the means and affluence to get out.
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110%er [7980]
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The people responsible for the deficit are the ones
Jan 3, 2013, 8:25 AM
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who allocated the money. It doesn't matter who "takes it" the money is going to get spent regardless.
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Re: Red States are way more responsible for the deficit as they
Jan 4, 2013, 4:47 PM
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I'll bet there are more "who gives a sh!t"s than either.
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Actually daj, those stats are...
Jan 3, 2013, 5:36 PM
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quite misleading. Consider my company which reports all of it's federal income out of Illinois. 95% of the actual engineering and manufacturing is in the south. Only a very small portion of the money is actually made in IL but all the taxes are reported from there. If such a separation did occur, I'd imagine much of those taxes (although admittedly less) would be collected in the individual states where the production is thereby changing the dynamic significantly. Oh yeah, most BLUE states would be broke by end of first quarter every year.
Just my two cents.
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All-TigerNet [10149]
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Arizona, Wyoming and Oklahoma might want a fresh start too.
Jan 3, 2013, 8:32 AM
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I believe the Az governor may be inclined to depart the socialist rein of
King obama. The flower children of Sedona and Flagstaff can move back to Oregon, California and Seattle.
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All-TigerNet [10149]
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Utah, would consider the move too.***
Jan 3, 2013, 8:34 AM
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Rock Defender [53]
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I seriously doubt it. If anything, Utah would like to becom
Jan 3, 2013, 8:41 AM
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e a stand alone Mormon Theocracy.
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The State of Deseret***
Jan 3, 2013, 1:19 PM
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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Every state should secede but not start another union.***
Jan 3, 2013, 10:13 AM
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NORAD would have something to say about that.
Jan 4, 2013, 7:33 AM
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that is brilliant Tom, Please proceed with that incredibly faulty and ###### up logic. Consider the ineffective manor in which our current house of representatives conducts itself, and apply that malfeasance upon all the local governing bodies. It would be a giant clusterfck.
Secession would be far more effective in depolarizing an unstable government.
Under your brilliant plan, we could very well end up a collection of 3rd world countries fighting over the resources held by a handful of states. Let's not consider how we re-structure our economy and military assets and blindly follow your plan.
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All-TigerNet [10867]
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Just like Europe, right?
Jan 4, 2013, 5:22 PM
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God, you statists make no sense.
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Re: Poll, should the south secede?
Jan 3, 2013, 1:48 PM
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Not if you are going to limit it the southern states. All states that voted against O, should have the opportunity. There is no slavery involved this time.
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Why would these states get a pass on the deficit?
Jan 3, 2013, 1:55 PM
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And, once the secession is squelched, is it better to be hung or shot for treason?
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Re: Poll, should the south secede?
Jan 3, 2013, 3:55 PM
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Dumb idea, we've been there, done that and got the graveyards at Vicksburg and Gettysburg to prove it.
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Re: Poll, should the south secede?
Jan 3, 2013, 5:52 PM
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somebody is using their brain. The rest of you that voted secession, you own stubborn pride will be your ticket into the third world.
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Orange Blooded [4095]
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Hey !!! What about Virginia !!!
Jan 3, 2013, 11:38 PM
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We are mostly South... granted, Northern Virginia is like New Jersey though ....
And what about WEST Virginia? ... they got lots of coal and gas ... need coal and gas
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Heisman Winner [111428]
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+1, a few of you southern folk have brains ;)
Jan 4, 2013, 4:11 AM
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You can have southern Virginia(we will call that the Neutral Zone), Northern has a high concentration of government agencies like Quantico, the US fish and wildlife service, and the NSF. You do not expect my taxes to pay for them to move do you? You would also have to fight for the mouth of the Mississippi. Louisiana harbors a major port city and all the US natural gas pipelines converge there. I am surprised nobody argued for Louisiana to join your confederacy, but possibly you could lob cannon balls from southern Arkansas to make this interesting. 
-signed predator drones.
Read further down the thread, you were given West Virginia. You would have coal and all the quartz and copper mines in Tennessee. Outside of that, you have limited natural resources for trade, unless Arkansas Paper Mills and South Carolina Chicken farms are considered.
"The New South" would also have limited trade infrastructure and one measly oil refinery in Gulfport Miss., and such would become dependent on the USA for Gasoline, whether domestic or imported.. Also consider that our Shale Basins barely overlap into West Virginia and Arkansas and nowhere else in the south are there easily attainable Natural Gas deposits. Enjoy the coal while it lasts.
Next..Have fun feeding your chickens and limited cattle stock on farm raised fish guts and their own dead carcasses. Our taxes pay for the tremendous grain subsidies that keep food prices down. You would have no states in the grain belt, (see diagram below.)
Food Shortages in Urban areas would be a huge concern, and thus easily exploited by the free market. When you combine inflated gas prices with the added cost of feeding livestock, $10 per lb ground beef would be the norm. If you do not believe me ask Japan, they would consider that a good deal.
-signed the grain and energy subsidies you no longer pay into.
Lastly, You may get a good deal on a few slightly used F35's, but you are on your own with nuclear Subs and aircraft carriers. And as mentioned by ATLOrange, any member of our current military that chooses to defect to the "New South", would be extradited on charges of treason, thus you would have to recruit and train your own pilots.
So...I imagine you will have to collect some taxes to build your second rate military and establish your trade infrastructure..(Oil refineries are not cheap)
But as a reminder to what you turned your back on, the US can park a couple of aircraft carriers off the the Coast of SC to remind you of who is in charge..
we can get into your healthcare conundrum, food shortages, and lack of quality public education later...
Welcome to the 3rd world
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Re: +1, a few of you southern folk have brains ;)
Jan 4, 2013, 8:19 AM
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I've never seen anyone who loves Clemson but hates the state of South Carolina as much as you. Is it strictly for political reasons or something else?
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Re: +1, a few of you southern folk have brains ;)
Jan 4, 2013, 8:21 AM
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I don't hate south Carolina, nor its people. but I do despise its politics.
and this thread has nothing to do with SC, I am not sure where you got that from. If anything, I am flicking my chin at those who despise government, far from hatred. some people need to stop and think about what they are really asking for and the consequences involved.
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Re: +1, a few of you southern folk have brains ;)
Jan 4, 2013, 8:47 AM
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I know it's not about South Carolina, I was just asking a question that's all. It just seemed to me that you did from what I've read. My mistake.
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Orange Blooded [4095]
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Hey ! How 'Bout We Grab All The "Red" States?
Jan 4, 2013, 8:45 AM
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Indiana, for example, is "red", they are de facto like the South, plus they got lots of grain and cattle and Notre Dame and a B10 school! (granted, a basketball school) ...
That will take care of the food argument. Any withdrawl would include all the infrastructure and assets, since Norfolk is in Virginia we would get the the 2nd Fleet!, and the 4th Fleet is based in Florida! We would have a biatch'in military out of the blocks !
http://navysite.de/navy/fleet.htm
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Orange Blooded [4095]
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Def need Texas, Louisianna Too!
Jan 4, 2013, 8:48 AM
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Texas has gas (oil), we need gas
Lousianna has good food! (New Orleans)
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I Think We Should Then Invade Cuba....
Jan 4, 2013, 2:54 PM
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Cuba is/was a nice place back in the day.... nice beaches, good look'in womens (mostly), great food ... Castro is almost done and they would probably not put up much of a fight. given the 2nd and 4th Fleet that we would own....
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What's that you say, we woudln't have the right resources?
Jan 4, 2013, 5:25 PM
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Right, because Hong Kong and Singapore are just ####### resource rich places, right?
What a complete moron you are. You have absolutely no idea how real life works.
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It didn't work out that good for us last time.***
Jan 5, 2013, 1:24 PM
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make the delineator where Chick-fil-A has a presence
Jan 6, 2013, 8:15 AM
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and i am all in !!
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Re: Poll, should the south secede?
Jan 6, 2013, 8:47 AM
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Your hand-picked states do not represent political reality. Your country would include California, oregon and Washington New England and the mid atlantic.
Florida, Iowa, Wisconsin Virginia , Minnesota and Michigan would be partitioned amongst others...... Most of the West, Plains and Midwest would be ours as would Alaska.
Legions of Demos would crowd into your urban and coastal nirvanna.
We would flourish and you would be Argentina w/o the good farmland.
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Holy Shat
Jan 6, 2013, 3:34 PM
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This board is crazier than I thought possible.
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lol ^^this ^^
Jan 6, 2013, 7:02 PM
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